CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #17 *ARREST*

[jillianelaine]

I've seen the photos of her place. Does anyone think he or someone could have pushed her or hung her from the loft? Did it have a bannister or a pony wall?
Moo

Hanging. Coincides well with someone who works with animals and ropes,....
I have to ask.....
In a hanging death would LE remove the said items, removed?
Does anyone know?

 

[iamthewalrus]

Back when my bro-in-law was single, he met a girl and they had a baby. As soon as she had the baby, she was done with him. She made it clear she wanted a child and not a man. He wanted to marry her but she wasn't having that. You just never know why people do what they do...

 

[K9Enzo]

Wait, is it a fact they had a custody hearing scheduled before she went missing?

Was one of them trying to establish themselves as custodial parent (think that’s the term)?

 

[Charlot123]

Back when my bro-in-law was single, he met a girl and they had a baby. As soon as she had the baby, she was done with him. She made it clear she wanted a child and not a man. He wanted to marry her but she wasn't having that. You just never know why people do what they do...

I see three explanations:

a) she views him as good “genetic material” but is looking for a better provider;
b) the opposite - she does not love him but he is a good provider and the child support could come in handy;
c) it just happens.

However, your bro-in-law did not end up doing what PF did, right? He merely supported the kid and went on with his life.

This is what matters. Usually guys get very anxious over the situation, upset, angry, but almost no one resorts to killing the child’s mother, right?

 

[1mtroyal]

Now that the police feel Kelsey is dead, they should reword the 25,000$ reward offer to reassure the public that the reward is still legitimate and is payable if someone finds her body. The first notice of a reward was not clear to some. Of course, those involved in the crime may not be eligible. All of the barrow pits and culverts in the area should be checked although I think most of the area just got some snow.

 

[LAHOLLA]

Maybe we place too much emphasis on how KB perceived the notion that he was "living with his mom". She may have had a circuit of friends who tended to live at home until they married, and for that reason, didn't think twice about it. She may have been focused on how he looked, and shared interests, and the nice things he may have said to her. She may have been intrigued that he was from another state. Or intrigued with the very thought of having met someone on the computer.

Not to mention that he may have put an entirely different spin on it- I own a ranch and my mom is temporarily living with me/ I’m taking care of her/ she’s in bad health, etc.

 

[cluciano63]

Stats say one in five men around age thirty live with parent or parents. So it is not all that unusual.

Kelsey may have visited him prior to making the move and known full well his living situation. I can’t see her just taking everything he posted online to attract her at face value, before making a huge move. We don’t know anything about their actual relationship, except that her mother said it was “loving” and that they planned to get married, but had not set a date. We also don’t know that she didn’t check him out. A lot of “millennials” do nowadays...anyway jmo.

 

[LAHOLLA]

Stats say one in five men around age thirty live with parent or parents. So it is not all that unusual.

Kelsey may have visited him prior to making the move and known full well his living situation. I can’t see her just taking everything he posted online to attract her at face value, before making a huge move. We don’t know anything about their actual relationship, except that her mother said it was “loving” and that they planned to get married, but had not set a date. We also don’t know that she didn’t check him out. A lot of “millennials” do nowadays...anyway jmo.

Well that doesn’t necessarily mean that while she was visiting his mom said, “btw, this is MY house.”

I’m a pretty good internet stalker but I don’t think researching deeds would be on my radar. Maybe I need to add that

Kidding. From here on out I’m happily a dog/cat lady.

 

[MsBetsy]

But didn’t PF tell them that? Her mom said just the opposite...they had a loving relationship, were engaged, etc...

He had to justify why he was not concerned that he had not heard from her...so he said they had broken up that day. He knew Kelsey spoke to her mom all the time, so he said it happened on that last day...jmo

We don't know where that informtion came from, it may have come from Kelseys cousin for all we know, who relayed it to the Aunt. I wish we did know for sure, but he may have told her mother that when he spoke to her. It's never been verified so at this point it's just speculation that it came from him. It makes sense that he would say it to appear disinterested, but since she was missing and no-one had heard from him, it also indicates there may have been an argument which escalated into something else, and since he was the last person to see her it seems like a pretty stupid thing to say to her mom. Jmo

 

[The Farm]

Stats say one in five men around age thirty live with parent or parents. So it is not all that unusual.

Kelsey may have visited him prior to making the move and known full well his living situation. I can’t see her just taking everything he posted online to attract her at face value, before making a huge move. We don’t know anything about their actual relationship, except that her mother said it was “loving” and that they planned to get married, but had not set a date. We also don’t know that she didn’t check him out. A lot of “millennials” do nowadays...anyway jmo.

So very true in these days. I myself have known many that have taken in their grown sons or daughters for various financial reasons whether they themselves need help (health reasons also) or the son/daughter came upon bad times such as losing their job because a company closed etc. The parents still live in the large family home and there is plenty of room. Then there are also the grandchildren that many grandparents are raising in the 60's & 70's which is extremely difficult but it is either that or the kids might slip into foster care. There go the grandparents golden years.

It really is quite common so I myself did not find him living there to be all that odd especially when the property is a perfect fit for what he does for a living.

And you are right, we know nothing of the actual relationship except what you stated above. As in how it came about etc.

 

[jillianelaine]

Kelsey's phone and purse were missing. Did LE ever post a photo or description of those items? I can almost draw Danielle Stislicki's coat, keychain boots and phone with my eyes closed.

 

[jillianelaine]

If I could ask PF four things they would be....

1. What was stated in that text?
2. Who do you know in Idaho?
3. What kind of a relationship did you have with the person you solicited?
4. How the hell did you forget to put away the cinnamon rolls?

 

[The Night Watchman]

December 22nd - Saturday

• Twin Falls, ID Police Department issued statement they are working with CBI and FBI to prepare and serve several search warrants, including processing items of possible evidence with the assistance of the Twin Falls County and Twin Falls Evidence Technicians.

How long does it take to "prepare" a warrant?

Why would this be announced ahead of time- wouldn't they jump come a-knocking?

Do we know if the search warrants have been executed? Would we know? Where- dammit!

"Possible evidence"- cell phone and purse are obvious. Is there evidence that PF was in Idaho on the 25th? Or evidence related to soliciting- is this where the solicitee is from?

Just woke up and I need answers!

 

[MsBetsy]

I find it coincidental that she disappeared/was murdered days before the scheduled custody hearing. He and his mama raised that baby girl and they knew the hearing was likely to go in KB’s favor. And here’s where the premeditation comes into play.

The hearing was scheduled after he was arrested for murder, in order to determine who will have custody for now. So that would not play a role, although they may have discussed going to court to establish custody and visitation. We just don't know. Imo

 

[jillianelaine]

"Death by hanging, whether an execution or a suicide, has been observed to affect the genitals of both men and women. In women, the labia and clitoris may become engorged and there may be a discharge of blood from the vagina.[5] "

The neighbor claimed PF's car was parked (sideways) at KB's home for about 30 minutes--enough time to execute a hanging and remove the body. LE may have been informed of the manner of death, leading them back to the home to collect floorboards from the immediate vicinity of the crime.

PF tried to solicit someone to kill her. I do not think he could "stomach" a more violent (bloody) attack.

 

[Gardener1850]

I find it coincidental that she disappeared/was murdered days before the scheduled custody hearing. He and his mama raised that baby girl and they knew the hearing was likely to go in KB’s favor. And here’s where the premeditation comes into play.

Wait, is it a fact they had a custody hearing scheduled before she went missing?

Was one of them trying to establish themselves as custodial parent (think that’s the term)?

The custody hearing was set up by CO child protective services after PF was arrested and Baby K was taken by social services. We have had verified attorneys on the board who know how to interpret the numbers on the docket explain this in detail. It would look different if it was set up by KB and PF. And the CBI would not be involved in a normal custody hearing between two parents. A few news reporters who don't know how to read legal documents got it wrong when they reported KB set up the hearing. This was an emergency hearing set up after PF's arrest at the first available date to give KB's family a chance to have custody of baby K. The news is getting a ton of stuff wrong for some reason. JMO.

 

[Charlot123]

Assuming the individual solicited for murder ultimately played a role in a cover up...

Why did he agree to help? Did he feel obligated? Why did he feel obligated?

And why did PF trust that this individual wouldn't report the solicitation?

Did they share an interest in having her silenced?

If so, why/what?

No matter why the person agreed - playing a role in the cover up shows total lack of morals.

 

[K9Enzo]

@Gardener1850 - thank you for the detailed explanation!

 

[Irmese]

Same here. I don't feel it's a custody issue- he had the baby obviously several times a week, while she worked. Most men would find that hard to do, given the job that he had- having to take her with him, feed her, clothe her, change her. Yet he did do all of this, while working.

We don't know that she was with him all that time. He could have been the one to take her to daycare or another babysitter (or his mom) until daycare opened and he could have been the one who normally picked her up from daycare.

 

[heartgoesout]

Assuming the individual solicited for murder ultimately played a role in a cover up...

Why did he agree to help? Did he feel obligated? Why did he feel obligated?

And why did PF trust that this individual wouldn't report the solicitation?

Did they share an interest in having her silenced?

If so, why/what?

Because in their minds they stood to gain something. What that something is we don’t know. Could be emotional, monetary freedom or neesded to hide something. We just don’t know.