CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #18 *ARREST*

[FrankieT]

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I'm so very sorry to hear this. Peace and comfort to your heart.

 

[FrankieT]

The thing about PF's mom that I just don't understand is why she didn't stand with Kelsey's family in their time of need. That part just breaks my heart on top of everything else. I would have been breaking my neck to be there, hold their hands, open my home, share the grandchild...but crickets.

I don't know, maybe she did and we just didn't hear about it.

 

[crhedBngr]

@musemoon : How horrible. I'm so, so sorry this happened to you. May justice be swift.

 

[MassGuy]

The thing about PF's mom that I just don't understand is why she didn't stand with Kelsey's family in their time of need. That part just breaks my heart on top of everything else. I would have been breaking my neck to be there, hold their hands, open my home, share the grandchild...but crickets.

It is very strange that not a single member of that family made a public plea for her safe return.

Especially PF, atleast before his arrest.

We don’t know what was going on behind the scenes, but I imagine it was more of the same.

 

[Steelslady]

Understood. My post was in response to how bad the reporting in this case has been. Almost like it's a competition to see who can screw up the news the most... Sorry if that wasn't clear.
MOO Quoted Pommy Mommy....


Sorry @PommyMommy I just jumped in to give the DCFS information. I didn't really read what was before it. I just wanted to add info regarding custody when it refers to DCFS.

On a side note, not just to Pommy Mommy. My own mother was murdered last week, so I'm a bit foggy, but I wanted to share what I know about how DCFS operates especially when one set of parents is unsuitable.

I am so sorry about your Mom! I can't imagine what you are going through. Prayers for you and your family. May your Mom rest in peace.

 

[PommyMommy]

Typically, the info comes from a police department’s information officer in the form of a press release. Those are meant to be relayed basically word for word. Some news agencies or reporters will quote it verbatim, while others add to it, or take away from it.

Welcome to Websleuths, Afulton80. You're right - many times the news reports are word-for-word because they're direct quotes or part of an official statement. MOO

 

[Elle*Bee]

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But we don’t know his mother wants full custody, do we? Is it possible that she filed to intervene (not necessarily to gain custody) because she wants her interests, which could be custody OR visitation, indicated in court documents. Sometimes there are certain formalities that are recommended, as unpalatable as they may seem to us.

I don’t know whether she believes her son is innocent or not. I’m guessing it would be a very awkward conversation for Mrs. Frazee to call Kelsey’s mom and say, ”let’s put our differences aside...I’d like to be able to spend time with Baby K. Is that okay with you?”

As far as we know at this point, Mrs. F is also a victim of her son’s actions. Until I see evidence that she was in cahoots with him, or is covering for him, I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt as WS TOS suggests. Watching closely for sure, but not ready cast aspersions right now. MOO.

 

[PommyMommy]

But we don’t know his mother wants full custody, do we? Is it possible that she filed to intervene (not necessarily to gain custody) because she wants her interests, which could be custody OR visitation, indicated in court documents. Sometimes there are certain formalities that are recommended, as unpalatable as they may seem to us.

I don’t know whether she believes her son is innocent or not. I’m guessing it would be a very awkward conversation for Mrs. Frazee to call Kelsey’s mom and say, ”let’s put our differences aside...I’d like to be able to spend time with Baby K. Is that okay with you?”

As far as we know at this point, Mrs. F is also a victim of her son’s actions. Until I see evidence that she was in cahoots with him, or is covering for him, I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt as WS TOS suggests. Watching closely for sure, but not ready cast aspersions right now. MOO.

No, we don't know what she wants but I tend to think it's custody because of the wording used in the court minute: "The parties agreed to reserve for later hearing paternal grandmother’s motion to intervene and placement request."

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/001/18JV26 Dec 27 hearing - minute order summary.pdf

 

[musemoon]

What?! I don't know how you are even functioning at all. That's just about the saddest side note I've heard on here. I'm so very sorry for your loss. And murdered! My sincere condolences and hugs....if that is even enough. Wow!

Thank you. Ironically, it was custody related and involved DCFS but the perp is in custody. I am so sad, there are no words for my sadness, my mom was the sweetest woman alive. I'm a mess. I will say though, now that I know....LE will not let you say anything to the press or online. I am anonymous here, so I can say a little, but in real life, I have to remain completely silent. So I understand KB's family's silence.

 

[PommyMommy]

Thank you. Ironically, it was custody related and involved DCFS but the perp is in custody. I am so sad, there are no words for my sadness, my mom was the sweetest woman alive. I'm a mess. I will say though, now that I know....LE will not let you say anything to the press or online. I am anonymous here, so I can say a little, but in real life, I have to remain completely silent. So I understand KB's family's silence.

I'm very glad to hear that they have the person responsible behind bars. Again, I'm so sorry for your loss, musemoon. Thank you for being here.
MOO

 

[Elle*Bee]

Thank you. Ironically, it was custody related and involved DCFS but the perp is in custody. I am so sad, there are no words for my sadness, my mom was the sweetest woman alive. I'm a mess. I will say though, now that I know....LE will not let you say anything to the press or online. I am anonymous here, so I can say a little, but in real life, I have to remain completely silent. So I understand KB's family's silence.

Thank you for the update. Prayers for you.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Thank you. Ironically, it was custody related and involved DCFS but the perp is in custody. I am so sad, there are no words for my sadness, my mom was the sweetest woman alive. I'm a mess. I will say though, now that I know....LE will not let you say anything to the press or online. I am anonymous here, so I can say a little, but in real life, I have to remain completely silent. So I understand KB's family's silence.

I am so sorry for your loss and heartache.

 

[cody22]

It is very strange that not a single member of that family made a public plea for her safe return.

Especially PF, atleast before his arrest.

We don’t know what was going on behind the scenes, but I imagine it was more of the same.

The Frazee clan "circled the wagons" real fast and they are still circled.....MOO

 

[zecats]

Thank you. Ironically, it was custody related and involved DCFS but the perp is in custody. I am so sad, there are no words for my sadness, my mom was the sweetest woman alive. I'm a mess. I will say though, now that I know....LE will not let you say anything to the press or online. I am anonymous here, so I can say a little, but in real life, I have to remain completely silent. So I understand KB's family's silence.

I'm sad FOR you. How horrible for you to have to deal with this and also have to remain silent. I hope you have someone to talk to, to confide in...a shoulder to lean and cry on. My best to you in every way.

 

[nwmouse]

Understood. My post was in response to how bad the reporting in this case has been. Almost like it's a competition to see who can screw up the news the most... Sorry if that wasn't clear.
MOO Quoted Pommy Mommy....


Sorry @PommyMommy I just jumped in to give the DCFS information. I didn't really read what was before it. I just wanted to add info regarding custody when it refers to DCFS.

On a side note, not just to Pommy Mommy. My own mother was murdered last week, so I'm a bit foggy, but I wanted to share what I know about how DCFS operates especially when one set of parents is unsuitable.

Oh honey, I'm so sorry - I cannot imagine the horror of losing one's mum in such a manner. ((((hugs))))

 

[MassGuy]

The Frazee clan "circled the wagons" real fast and they are still circled.....MOO

Yeah. I don’t see a change forthcoming.

As long as they don’t turn into the Watts family and start victim bashing, then I don’t take issue with it.

I don’t expect them to speak out against PF.

 

[Elle*Bee]

No, we don't know what she wants but I tend to think it's custody because of the wording used in the court minute: "The parties agreed to reserve for later hearing paternal grandmother’s motion to intervene and placement request."

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/001/18JV26 Dec 27 hearing - minute order summary.pdf

I see. Hmmm. I’m not a lawyer (just a law office employee in a different state, so no expertise at all). The way it’s written could be interpreted in one of two ways:

1. Mrs. Frazee has filed for both a motion to intervene AND a placement request, both of which will be decided at a later hearing, OR

2. Mrs. Frazee has filed a motion to intervene which, along with the placement request (presumably filed by the Berreth’s attorney), will be decided at a later date.

Any Colorado family attorneys here that can weigh in?

 

[Love Never Fails]

Very much appreciating everyone’s posts. Been busy due to the holidays. Seems LE meant it when they said this case would not be tried in the press and that KB’s parents wanted privacy. No news seems to open up a lot of theories. I even wondered if some wonder if PF actually killed KB. Right now it seems that LE have their man. Motive must be custody.

 

[Steelslady]

It sure is.

One has to look no further than the Watts case for that.

Even a guilty plea hasn’t allowed them to see the truth.

Honestly, that just has to be devastating for any parent of a murderer. That is a horror no one would ever want to live through, a nightmare that lasts forever for the rest of your life. Your own life is never the same. Sideway glances and glares at the grocery store or restaurants- your "that parent" of the sicko that murdered so and so. Losing a child to murder is gut wrenching and devastating (losing a child no matter how they pass away is gut wrenching and devastating), but thankfully, the victim's family and friends are surrounded with love, support, compassion, food sent to their homes, money to help pay for funerals, etc.

The parents of the suspect- not much sympathy at all, no help, no support, other than maybe some close family and friends. Society can be cruel and vicious. Some will have pity and be classy when they see them, while others villify them over and over again. People make assumptions that all murderers come from bad homes, it was the parents fault somehow. The guilt that they live through, wondering if they missed something, how they didn't notice he/she was acting strange or different just before or after they murdered.

Please know, I don't defend parents that defend their children that murder. I just wouldn't ever want to be in their shoes, it's just too heartbreaking for any mother to believe she birthed a murderer.

I read a book by Terri Roberts (died last year of cancer) about her son Charles Carl Roberts IV, who killed all of those Amish girls at school- "Forgiven: The Amish School Shooting, a Mother's Love, and a Story of Remarkable Grace." It really opened my eyes the anguish, the pain, the guilt, the horror and disgrace that a family feels after their child/sibling does such a thing. An amazing book, it makes you realize that there are loving and caring human beings in many murderers lives, that this hurts them more than words can say, and in many cases, they pay the price for the rest of their lives, for something that their loved one did. They are the ones outside of the jail that have to live with the repercussions of their crime. Not every family is blessed with love and forgiveness like the Roberts' family was- the Amish are amazing people of faith, even invited them to the funerals and made them feel cared about and welcomed in their community, in spite of what their son did.

 

[KALI]

Does anybody know where the baby has been up until now? I know it's awful that his mother is the mother of a potential murderer. However, hasn't baby Kaylee spent much of her time with her?
That poor baby must be so confused.