CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #18 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

I have wondered about this too! Did they have strong evidence pointing to a probable death back on Nov.30th based on something in the text message? This might explain the relatives explanation about it being "a long story". Or explain why they did not discuss things that always seem to appear in similar cases (was there activity on her credit cards). How did the safety of the small child impact their actions...

Putting myself in CB's shoes, as a mother, I would have immediately suspected the worst (by Dec 2nd), but would hope beyond hope she was still alive "somewhere" until ALL hope was gone.

 

[chinablue1]

Do we know the last time KB saw her family? I believe a trip was planned by KB, to see her family, and PF didn't want to go, why, I think he is not a people person.
JMO

 

[susiQ]

I have wondered about that as well. LE did that here.
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Beside him sat Wallen’s parents, knowing police suspected Tessier, as they also did by then, and agreeing to be part of a tactic to see what their daughter’s on-again, off-again boyfriend might say.

Maryland murder suspect Tyler Tessier dies in jail cell just before start of his trial - The Washington Post

I'm thinking that even though at the time of the first PC they may not have been sure if Kelsey was dead or alive, they certainly suspected it had something to do with PF. Since he was not cooperating, but likely under surveillance, perhaps the things CB revealed, little tidbits of info, were actually meant to "rattle" PF, making him realize his "fool proof" alibi (in his mind anyway) had some rather large holes in it. How would he react once he knew his alibi wasn't going to hold up? As far as WE know, he has gonads of steel, he didn't seem to flinch, outwardly. But LE, know more. Perhaps through electronic surveillance they saw he was indeed reacting and then, the dump visit!

 

[Colorado303]

I'm sorry. I disagree with you. I don't think the OP was particularly gruesome. They were simply speculating about how Kelsey was murdered. There wasn't even graphic detail. You used graphic detail "teeth avulsed". They did not except speculating about what he did to get her body out of the house.

You bolded several words as being "gruesome" and having "no basis in reality. Including "kill", "hate", "anger" "good sized man", "blood".

Yeah. Sounds like murder to me.

You also bolded the word "pieces" but I think misconstrued what the poster meant, which didn't have to do with her body.

Sometimes I do think people go overboard wondering in graphic detail about what happened to victims and coming up with ever-increasingly more horrific experiences not based on any reasonable assumptions. (For example, in these scenarios children are typically always raped and/or buried alive, etc).

But I'm not seeing that here. The poster is wondering how he killed her which is a normal thing to wonder but they're not coming up with baseless, "gruesome" suggestions, that aren't based in reality, IMO. He was a big guy. He did kill her in one of the typical ways these people kill. He got her body out of the house.

I think you'd have a point if people were gleefully talking about graphic details of what someone goes through while dying or coming up with improbable manners of death not seen in these cases, like being fed to a wood chipper.

This was a horrible crime and it's natural to wonder what he did and discuss that to some degree on a crime sleuthing website, I think.

Well said, and my sentiments exactly.

 

[Gardener1850]

I believe her mother knew KB was dead by Nov. 30th. I also think her mother knew KB was concerned and knew why in the days and weeks leading up to her death. CB's interview was a performance for PF. She knew much more at that time. I think she did not report KB missing bc of the threat of PF to baby K.

I'm confused. You think CB knew KB was dead and waited 3 or 4 days before calling the police for a well check of her daughter? And she did that because the baby was in danger? Wouldn't a fear of the baby being in danger with PF lead to more immediate action? As it turned out, the baby stayed with PF until Dec 21st when he was arrested for murder. I don't see how a delay in reporting KB missing helped keep Baby K safe. And I certainly don't see CB delaying reporting it if she thought her daughter was murdered. JMO.

 

[BingoBongo]

Let's not run after some wild idea that PF had a girlfriend while engaged to Kelsey. This idea has been tossed around a bit, but until we know something perhaps we should leave it alone.

At this time, there is no third party to the marriage. There is a possible third person involved in the murder but we don't know who that is, why there were search warrants in Idaho, what evidence was gathered and why there has not been another arrest.

I took the post to mean his g/f (KB) and his mother, not a third person.

 

[susiQ]

Flash of a thought. We’ve been assuming solicitation of murder charge was based on him talking to someone about killing Kelsey. Charges would be the same if instead he solicited someone after the fact to take out a witness, or someone who might interfere w/custody...

I think it’s very likely the solicitation charge relates to killing Kelsey, but the thought of an alternate target never occurred to me until just now.

The charge of "solicitation" relates to the charge of murder in the first degree. It was premeditated as it relates to KB's murder, not some accomplice.
edit: for clarity

 

[BingoBongo]

There have been several comments suggesting that PF had a girlfriend and that is reason that Kelsey was murdered. There was nothing to suggest that all of these comments meant that his mother was his girlfriend.

Besides, everyone has a mother. When people suggest that a man has a fiance and a girlfriend, it doesn't mean his mother.

Am sorry, but I think you are misconstruing her comments.

Some men are still tied to mom's apron strings, and when another women (wife, fiance, g/f) enters the picture, there can be turmoil, especially if a child is involved.

That is how I read the poster's comments on this subject.

 

[BingoBongo]

His silence is extremely unusual, regardless of his guilt or innocence.

An innocent man would feel compelled to help find his missing fiancé, and want to publicize her disappearance.

He would also want to defend himself from public attack.

A guilty man would want to give the appearance of helping to find her, and would typically play the role of concerned partner.

PF decided that he was going to do none of these things.

It’s both rare and disturbing.

Maybe, maybe not.

The extreme narcs I know (2 of them) both clam up when they realize they have no means to extricate themselves from a mess they've made.

 

[KBB87]

The charge of "solicitation" relates to the charge of murder in the first degree. It was premeditated as it relates to KB's murder, not some accomplice.
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Technically we don’t know anything about the solicitation charge or who he was trying to have killed. Obviously Kelsey was murdered, but he could’ve solicited to have someone else killed after the fact and failed. Unlikely, but a possibility. I think that’s the point the OP was making.

 

[NanZDrew]

Would LE have the right to search SF's phone log as well?

I do not know about SF. Would probably need a search warrant; however, the second phone that I was referring to was the "new" phone with the new number that PF had obtained. He gave that new number to CC sometime after the story of her disappearance broke.

 

[BRRI]

Low energy? Where have I heard that before?

This made me laugh

 

[SoVeryMe]

Agree! I dated a guy once and felt like the mistress when we were with his mom and they didn’t even live together. It was a sick dynamic and very uncomfortable for me and even him at times but he dealt with it. She would even make snide remarks to me when no one was around and I wasn’t about to deal with that woman long term so she got what she wanted, her son back! I now have an adult son and can’t imagine treating he or his gf that way!!!!

I don’t know what the relationship was like between PF and SF but KB certainly seemed sure enough of herself to not deal with any mommy issues. IMO

 

[BRRI]

His silence is extremely unusual, regardless of his guilt or innocence.

An innocent man would feel compelled to help find his missing fiancé, and want to publicize her disappearance.

He would also want to defend himself from public attack.

A guilty man would want to give the appearance of helping to find her, and would typically play the role of concerned partner.

PF decided that he was going to do none of these things.

It’s both rare and disturbing.

From a defense perspective, what he is doing is really smart IMO. If he says nothing, there is no chance to catch him in any lie. No chance to use any of his words against him. It’s unusual that someone is able to do it all the way through, but so far, I guess he is managing.

 

[Colorado303]

The charge of "solicitation" relates to the charge of murder in the first degree. It was premeditated as it relates to KB's murder, not some accomplice.
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Sorry I wasn’t clear. What I meant is after he killed Kelsey, if he solicited the murder of a different person— perhaps a witness — that would also explain a solicitation of murder charge.

Again, I don’t think that’s the case but the fact DA’s concerned about witness safety sparked the thought.

 

[Colorado303]

Technically we don’t know anything about the solicitation charge or who he was trying to have killed. Obviously Kelsey was murdered, but he could’ve solicited to have someone else killed after the fact and failed. Unlikely, but a possibility. I think that’s the point the OP was making.

Thanks! You said it better than I did.

 

[BRRI]

Flash of a thought. We’ve been assuming solicitation of murder charge was based on him talking to someone about killing Kelsey. Charges would be the same if instead he solicited someone after the fact to take out a witness, or someone who might interfere w/custody...

I think it’s very likely the solicitation charge relates to killing Kelsey, but the thought of an alternate target never occurred to me until just now.

Yea I had mentioned this in another thread too. It’s possible.

 

[BRRI]

The charge of "solicitation" relates to the charge of murder in the first degree. It was premeditated as it relates to KB's murder, not some accomplice.
edit: for clarity

I’m pretty sure it could also be that he was trying to solicit the murder of someone else. I don’t believe LE worded it in a way that they have to be linked (solicitation of KB’s murder, and the murder itself). They could be independent charges.

 

[WildWest]

Help, now I'm really confused. In this interview it was stated towards the end that the custody hearing was scheduled BEFORE Kelsey disappeared. If that is correct, and I'm hoping that a major news channel would have the facts correct, this is key to motive IMO.

No doubt! One news station in Colorado reported it and the rest followed suit, and Shep quoted the Denver Fox. Here on WS it seems many are leaning towards it was an emergency scheduled after she disappeared.

A member here said it was on lexisnexis but I have not heard more.

 

[girlhasnoname]

No doubt! One news station in Colorado reported it and the rest followed suit, and Shep quoted the Denver Fox. Here on WS it seems many are leaning towards it was an emergency scheduled after she disappeared.

A member here said it was on lexisnexis but I have not heard more.

Thanks WW, it's hard to believe they could still be getting it so wrong, but as we've learned it is def possible.