CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #18 *ARREST*

[The Saint]

I’ve disputed this before. We see photos taken by serial killers and (sometimes) hitmen.

PF wanted Kelsey out of the picture. He wouldn’t have taken a picture that he would later use in order to derive some sort of satisfaction.

This was business, not pleasure.

A photograph would have potentially implicated himself in a crime as well.

There is a certain panic that tends to overcome most first time killers (except for pure sociopaths or psychopaths). That doesn’t lend itself to stopping to take a picture.

What if a photo was taken by the contract killer to prove to PF that Kelsey was really dead in order for the killer to be paid the second half payment?

 

[Steelslady]

Your post got me wondering....and sadly only KB may know the answer, but was there a usual bag that KB packed for the baby when she was going to be staying with PF? Was that bag still at her house? (He may have missed packing things up for baby as a small detail). I’d be interested in which of them bought baby supplies more, diapers, etc. Just a thought that if he suddenly bought those items the day after Thanksgiving would be an indicator he knew KB would not be around anytime soon to buy them.

I would imagine that PF would have had plenty of stuff for the baby at his house like Kelsey. He had the baby during the day, so there would be no need for her to pack up diapers, extra clothing, etc. At least, in my opinion. They didn't live far apart.

 

[The Farm]

Similar to my pets from Shelters.
After a little while, with love and attention, I watch these little ones transformed into lovable, devoted pets.
Sometimes, to my detriment, as I now don't wish to leave them even if it is for a little while, when entering stores.
Yep, they wait for me at the door at home or in the car on cool days, so pleased on my return.

No truer statement made.

 

[MassGuy]

omg no news today

There were some court motions, including one for expanded media coverage (approved).

We will be able to see his initial appearance.
Colorado Judicial Branch - Teller - Cases of Interest - The People of the State of Colorado v. Patrick Frazee

 

[cluciano63]

True. But since the lie likely came from PF I think the only element of truth is that KB has relatives in Washington state. MOO.

I think the truth part is that they were no longer together as of 11/22.

 

[Nudgee]

Then that would mean that it wouldn't have been a date. He would have been someone she didn't get all glammed up for if
her mom tinks her hair wasn't fixed as nice as normal.

Yes, like PF and maybe a friend of his!

 

[CuriousCricket]

I’ve disputed this before. We see photos taken by serial killers and (sometimes) hitmen.

PF wanted Kelsey out of the picture. He wouldn’t have taken a photograph that he would later use in order to derive some sort of satisfaction.

This was business, not pleasure.

A photograph would have potentially implicated himself in a crime as well.

There is a certain panic that tends to overcome most first time killers (except for pure sociopaths or psychopaths). That doesn’t lend itself to stopping to take a picture.

Ah, yes. I do recall this reasoning, and it sounds good. I agree with the possibility of a photo because:
a) PF doesn't appear to be the smartest fella I've ever read about
b) a couple of boys, late teens, burned down a warehouse in my town, and they were taking pictures and sending videos to friends because they were having so much fun.

You are more likely right about this as I've not studied this and you appear to have.

 

[cluciano63]

I thought that KB, herself, told one of her female relatives (cousin or aunt) that she had broken up with PF the day before Thanksgiving.

I think that is what PF said?

 

[MsBetsy]

No, we don't know where the aunt got that info. It might have come from PF.

The Aunt relayed that information along with the info about Kelsey possibly going to visit relatives, and had asked on FB that truckers be on the alert. So it is possible that all that she said came directly from Kelseys mom, who got the information from Frazee himself. Imo

 

[crhedBngr]

Starting at 46 in this video, the reaction of the woman walking towards PF made me laugh SO SO hard!

Boy, if looks could kill

 

[MassGuy]

What if a photo was taken by the contract killer to prove to PF that Kelsey was really dead in order for the killer to be paid the second half payment?

We have no indication that anyone other than PF killed Kelsey.

He attempted to enlist someone, but we don’t know if they agreed.

All indications are that this person didn’t.

 

[Ccging]

CB mentioned in one of her interviews that KB had asked her for a recipe on Thanksgiving when they spoke but never specified what the recipe was or who KB was making something for. I’ve been wondering why no mention of what KB was going to be making?

If I ask my mom for a recipe I usually say “oh I want to make this for so and so”....

Thoughts on why there has been no mention of what KB was going to make? Not relevant or???

Just something that struck me as odd.

 

[MassGuy]

CB mentioned in one of her interviews that KB had asked her for a recipe on Thanksgiving when they spoke but never specified what the recipe was or who KB was making something for. I’ve been wondering why no mention of what KB was going to be making?

If I ask my mom for a recipe I usually say “oh I want to make this for so and so”....

Thoughts on why there has been no mention of what KB was going to make? Not relevant or???

Just something that struck me as odd.

I can’t imagine that the reason for the recipie wouldn’t have come up. It would be a natural part of the conversation for most people.

She didn’t want to tell the media what Kelsey told her.

 

[jillianelaine]

I’ve disputed this before. We see photos taken by serial killers and (sometimes) hitmen.

PF wanted Kelsey out of the picture. He wouldn’t have taken a photograph that he would later use in order to derive some sort of satisfaction.

This was business, not pleasure.

A photograph would have potentially implicated himself in a crime as well.

There is a certain panic that tends to overcome most first time killers (except for pure sociopaths or psychopaths). That doesn’t lend itself to stopping to take a picture.

Possibly the photo wasn't intended to derive some sort of future satisfaction? As you said, this was business. Possibly it was necessary to prove something to someone. Dang it Mass, let me be me, and ramble!

 

[Gardener1850]

I think the truth part is that they were no longer together as of 11/22.

I agree-- but only because he murdered her that day (or had her murdered). MOO.

 

[The Farm]

Boy, if looks could kill

If I am not mistaken she was not watching where she was going and when she thought to raise her head she saw LE and a prisoner coming at her.

 

[dalsglen]

But what would her real plans have been for a 4 day weekend? She mentioned plans with PF for Thanksgiving dinner and she mentioned decorating for Christmas and PF possibly getting a tree. Why would she call her mom twice and talk casually about upcoming plans including PF if she was trying to hide a break up from her mom? That requires outright lying and deception on KB's part, not just withholding info from her mom. As an adult I have withheld info from my parents before when I wasn't ready to tell them something but I would avoid lying to them outright. And KB was very close to her mom. She's a pilot with access to private planes. She could have been in her home state for Thanksgiving day if she wanted to. It doesn't make any sense for her to lie. But it makes a heap of sense of PF to lie and say they broke up. He has a strong motive to lie-- to try to explain why he was unconcerned about her disappearing. MOO.

I've been there in the past in my early 20s at xmas time when the ex had chucked me yet again, I just told mum I was unluckily working over xmas and heading to exs dads/brothers place afterwards. Mum had no reason to doubt me, we are very close also but I just didn't want the fuss of them etc.

Also don't see the fuss with the car seat, all four of my children (admittedly all born v small) were in their group 0+ seats til almost two. And damn right I'd try lug that seat onto a trolley than wake them.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Wonder if one or more of the witnesses has received a threat?

I'm waiting for more arrest. I do not believe he acted alone in all of this. The Mastermind/s are not as slick as they think. Disseminating false stories. Tick Tock it's just a matter of time.
MOO.

 

[Nudgee]

One more thing....and apology if this has been discussed before, but can someone clarify for me if CB said when she talked to KB on Thanksgiving morning (recipe discussion, etc) did CB specifically state that PF was going to picking up Baby K that day, or are we only going on PF saying he last saw KB when he picked up Baby K? I'm trying to figure out if PF having the baby was a known plan, or he just took her. TIA.

 

[Trudie]

OT kinda......
A friend, with a young, (new to him horse) just stopped by, I asked how things are going with the horse. He told me he had to put “hobbles” on him. It made me think, PF now wears “hobbles” outside of his “stall”. Sorry.