CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

[Mom24]

Just this.

1st time in decade+ of tweeting I've ever had to block ppl. Yes, spent the day looking into new developments. No, can't report them yet. Yes, it's what I do, b/c I care deeply about this story. No, not to get anyone to clickbait anything. #kelseyberreth #patrickfrazee

She could have easily gotten back on, answered that she was going up to look into things for any potential updates, but instead she ignored repeated questions and with the suicide that happened last night it made people wonder if Kelsey had been found.

 

[Irmese]

SP looks the most normal, but I wonder if there is deep-seated psychosis, the true fear of begeting a child, and if this, in fact, drives killing pregnant Laci. (In old mythology, myriads of sons - gods, titans, heroes - offed their fathers, after these fathers tried to escape having sons, but I doubt SP was into mythology. Perhaps he knew that deep inside, he was evil, and did not want to pass on own genes? We shall never know).

PF is the opposite, throwing out the mother as the empty, wasted, shell after she has created the child, his child.

PF’s enmeshment is extreme. I wonder how he will come across when he ends up being alone for a long time. Will he get depressed, happy because he is free, or suck up to another person to avoid loneliness?

I don't think SP, CW or PF are close to normal at all, lol, but some men do have problems with their partners having children. Suddenly, they see their wife as a mother and they lose all desire for her, or she becomes Madonna-like (not the singer). IDK but I think in cases where the man hates, fears, or worships his mother, he suddenly equates his wife with his mother and that relationship is over for him. He may see the child almost like an older sibling would, being jealous of the attention, love and time the baby receives. He sees other women that he wants to pursue, but now he's tied to her. She and her child are now taking all his money to support. Even if he divorces her the problem doesn't go away, he doesn't want to pay to support her and the child. PF seemed to actually want the child. He's not the same as the other two. I think he sees the child as an extension of him and something that is his. He may love or hate his mother, but if he was like the other two, he probably would have killed his mother and daughter as well. I think he loves his mother and cannot marry anyone because no one can take her place. JMO.

 

[BRRI]

If my hunch is correct, and I'm not saying it is, the news that was not able to be reported on today could very well be linked to the sealed arrest warrant where it was stated that it needed to remain sealed to protect certain individuals and I'm guessing the integrity of the investigation. Will they be able to keep it sealed past Dec 31st?

Honestly, the “news that was to be” uproar came from one tweet by a news reporter, which could have been for hype, and the admin of an unofficial Facebook group dangling a carrot. It really might have been nothing. You had people claiming to be locals saying there were tons of LE at KB’s house, and then someone drove by and no one was there at all. You had people listening to a scanner saying a coroner was called, which was for a totally unrelated case. LE was contacted by reporters and they said nothing was going on. And I believe that.

 

[Mom24]

I'm feeling something similar to you. He didn't want to marry her. Maybe he had a new woman and just wanted out. I don't know. But I do think there was deception about who he was and his intentions. And it came to a head for him.

I think the same. I keep coming back to how he crafted things, he told his family one thing (as well as hers) and told her another, it makes you wonder if it was getting too hard to keep both sides separated. Personally, I think his family is going to be devastated when they find out who he really is and who Kelsey really is. Given that Kelsey didn't live on the farm with him, I'm guessing there was a lot of tension and I think most of that was manufactured by Patrick.

 

[BRRI]

It's getting bizarre in here.

So nothing new, folks? We've got a hearing Monday but nothing came out from Idaho yet, I take it?

Well, rumors are swirling loudly about Idaho and what/who came out of that, but nothing official at all/being verified by MSM. Family is closing the official FB page to take a break, gifts are pouring in for the baby which is awesome, but that’s about it

 

[Megalicious15]

Fyi new order ruling that the hearing tomorrow will have "expanded media coverage".

ETA "New" means Dec. 28th. I'm behind.

Colorado Judicial Branch

 

[BRRI]

She could have easily gotten back on, answered that she was going up to look into things for any potential updates, but instead she ignored repeated questions and with the suicide that happened last night it made people wonder if Kelsey had been found.

She knew what she was doing. This isn’t her first rodeo (hah), and she’s been doing this job for a long time.

 

[Mom24]

She knew what she was doing. This isn’t her first rodeo (hah), and she’s been doing this job for a long time.

It was extremely frustrating. Finally Teller County Sheriff put out a notice stating the LE presence was due to an unrelated incident and another reporter let us know it was a suicide. But she remained completely silent until after the sheriff and other reporter put out statements.

 

[BRRI]

I wonder how they narrowed down the time of death to Thanksgiving Day. Let's assume that CB's words may have been concocted (for good reason) not to hinder, and perhaps enhance the investigation.

Did CB know that KB intended on preparing a recipe, a recipe that went unmade.?
Did CB know that KB had baked the cinnamon rolls to take to someone's home. A holiday gift for a neighbor?
Did CB know they had plans to decorate her home that day? And their were no decorations?
Were CB and KB scheduled to speak that particular evening?

Did they narrow that down? I didn’t think it was said officially? Just that they believe she is no longer alive?

 

[Emi]

@PommyMommy thanks for your wonderful post, I wish that this was pinned so everyone can know the time zone and tv stations

 

[BRRI]

It was extremely frustrating. Finally Teller County Sheriff put out a notice stating the LE presence was due to an unrelated incident and another reporter let us know it was a suicide. But she remained completely silent until after the sheriff and other reporter put out statements.

No publicity is bad publicity

 

[Mom24]

Well, rumors are swirling loudly about Idaho and what/who came out of that, but nothing official at all/being verified by MSM. Family is closing the official FB page to take a break, gifts are pouring in for the baby which is awesome, but that’s about it

I do think the Idaho thing was set up to divert LE from looking for Kelsey closer to home.

 

[BRRI]

I do think the Idaho thing was set up to divert LE from looking for Kelsey closer to home.

Yup. I think he went to visit someone there and used it as an opportunity to send the messages and then ditch the phone while there.

 

[Irmese]

It is interesting that in all annihilation situations, there are feelings involved. SP, allegedly, "loved" AF. CW loved NK. And I think that either PF was genuinely attached to his child.

But all these guys, so different (because you can't compare gregarious SP with odd CW or this guy, from whom the most we heard was "get off my property"), have one major flaw. They seemingly don't understand that one just can't replace people and go on.

SP didn't like how Laci's body changed during pregnancy, he did not want kids, so he invited AF to go to him for vasectomy. Like, "I shall kill my pregnant wife, and live with this new woman and her kid, and have no kids of my own".

CW has a family, and the kids he loves, but he fell out of love with SW, and his new flame wants own kids, and - just like this! - let's kill the old ones and get the new ones with the new woman.

(He never asks himself, what if the new flame will be unable to have kids, or the new kids will have issues, be less than perfect. Then what? Kill them, too?)

Now I don't know the exact details of PF's life. People think there is another woman, but even if so, I won't be surprised if this is not even a passionate love. For him, it matters to 100% own the kid.

But even the simplest thing - how would it be for the child to grow up without the mother, or with a stepmother - doesn't enter his head? (He should understand the concept of motherhood, he is attached to own mother). How come he doesn't care about his child?

None of them care about anyone. They are all about having their needs met and when they are ready to move on, whoever is in their lives is in danger. They don't know what love is, they know love is a feeling that everyone else has that they don't have. That is true, but love is the result of relationships. You have to build the relationship and choose to show love by acting in loving ways. They can act in loving ways, but they never actually connect with and love other people. I think PF is only allowed to love his mother and family, not other women. Anyone he meets will always be an outsider, but the child is his, part of his blood.
ETA MOO

 

[Irmese]

Yup. I think he went to visit someone there and used it as an opportunity to send the messages and then ditch the phone while there.

Why lead LE to someone else? Not impossible, but I think it was just to make it look like KB traveled that way.

 

[BRRI]

Why lead LE to someone else? Not impossible, but I think it was just to make it look like KB traveled that way.

I don’t think he thought of that. I think he figured he was going there, so may as well form his story around it (the “going to visit grandma” story)

 

[Inthedetails]

Yup. I think he went to visit someone there and used it as an opportunity to send the messages and then ditch the phone while there.

Good thinking. I think you could be right.

Sure wish we knew where he was that long weekend.

jmo

 

[BingoBongo]

You very well may be right there.

This isn’t directed at you, but it reminded me of a point I wanted to make about PF being compared to CW.

Many of us followed the Watts case very closely, and the memory of that is still fresh in our minds.

Now we have another murder case that also occurred in Colorado.

Both involved young, good-looking women.

Both involved evil men.

But these crimes are not the same. And these killers are not the same.

Psychologically, these are two very different types of killers.

Chris Watts was a sociopathic narcissist, who wanted a fresh start and a new life.

His entire existence was a carefully crafted facade.

He was in a completely separate category from your average murderer (family annihilator).

What makes those guys tick, is not what makes most other killers tick.

PF may have some similarities to CW, but his crime is much more common.

Likewise, he is much more common, as murderers go.

Because of this, I think when all is said and done, we will have a motive that we can wrap our heads around a lot better.

We just shouldn’t make the mistake of seeing them as the same person.

Not if we want to truly understand what happened.

I believe they are two, slightly different, sides to the same coin.

One, more of a covert narcissist/sociopath, the other a tad more grandiose, but not much more (rodeo notoriety).

But both lack empathy and understanding, both blind to certain common truths (lies are eventually disovered), both so caught up in what they want, they are blinded to others perception of them...and their actions (murder).

Two and two don't equal four in their minds. Two and two equal one = them. It's always been, and always will be, about them and only them.

 

[PommyMommy]

Fyi new order ruling that the hearing tomorrow will have "expanded media coverage".

ETA "New" means Dec. 28th. I'm behind.

Colorado Judicial Branch

Welcome to Websleuths, Megalicious!

@PommyMommy thanks for your wonderful post, I wish that this was pinned so everyone can know the time zone and tv stations

You're welcome. I'll be adding to it, I'm sure. I am glad to see that laptops, tablets, etc. are being allowed - we should see lots of tweets!
MOO

 

[bestill]

Honestly, the “news that was to be” uproar came from one tweet by a news reporter, which could have been for hype, and the admin of an unofficial Facebook group dangling a carrot. It really might have been nothing. You had people claiming to be locals saying there were tons of LE at KB’s house, and then someone drove by and no one was there at all. You had people listening to a scanner saying a coroner was called, which was for a totally unrelated case. LE was contacted by reporters and they said nothing was going on. And I believe that.

That was crazy yesterday. Hopefully the reporter will be more careful now, people are jumping on any "update" they can find. Sad that LE had to step in and clarify nothing was going on because of a hyped tweet.