CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Okay, here is my speculation. This is what I think may have happened. This is ONLY SPECULATION MOO MOO MOO

On Thanksgiving Day, PF arrived at KBs home to take her and baby to dinner. An argument ensued. I am not going to speculate what the argument was about. KB went up to the loft, PF followed. The argument continues and becomes more heated and physical. PF pushes KB too hard and she falls over the pony wall to the floor below. She is not dead but is severely injured. PF freaks out, but instead of calling authorities or ambulance for help, he calls “blank” for help (not allowed to say who I think he calls here). He doesn’t want to be blamed for a DV, at this point, he wants the problem to go away. He texts this tothe person who is coming to help. He begs them to bring items necessary to “put her down”. (Solicitation to murder) Person “helping” refuses to go that far and urges PF to call ambulance, they are on the way. PF kills KB before person “helping” arrives, swears to helper that she died by accident. Person helping sees no good in baby losing both parents, continues with cover up until it all blows up.....and brings us to where we are.

I hope I have not violated TOS with my 100% Speculative theory of how this crime occurred and how perhaps someone else got mixed up in it and how phone and text records will be the key to solving it. I repeat MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO

 

[Trudie]

We don‘t even know if she followed her religion. She did get pregnant, after all. What does it matter if she bought wine, etc? Most people do. Jmo

Really. It matters none if she followed any religion, consumed alcohol, wore jewelry, played lotto, baked cin’ rolls, or.......
None of these things are against the law. Nor reasons to go missing or be murdered.

If she was murdered in her home, how dumb of him. I’d think someone so familiar with the great outdoors might have coerced her to accompany him for a sight seeing drive. To a remote area. There’s a lot of potential for “accidents” off the beaten path, w/o leaving trace evidence. Jmo

 

[mustloveco]

LOL Banana Belt,,,Paradise, no wonder I was getting them confused! Doesn't that one have a drive up window also?

No! Thinking about this though. While not sure if Paradise Liquors had a frequent customer program, I know Banana Belt does (we go there more). You just give ur last name and get points w ur purchase. I don't go to Paradise enough to know if they do the same thing, but if they do then they'd know if she was there often

 

[Jupiter05]

Beautiful day here today in CO as I washed my cars. Most of the week looks cold and some snow but if it warms up the end of the week like it is forecast to I will take my drones up there and just film a lot of this area so people can see what we are talking about. Then will post the pics and vids in my Microsoft cloud space for anybody to view if they want to. Like I said it will probably be the end of the week at the earliest.

Thank you @retiredrickyinCO !

 

[InvSmith]

Here are my nagging questions of late:
1. Who plans to kill someone on usually the most laid-back family-oriented day of the year? Of note: it is a long weekend for many; it is low staff for police force on the day; it is a high travel time before and after; in essence the timing buys time and speaks of planning and not of spontaneous behavior.
2. KB from all appearances is doing everything as she normally does and appears unsuspecting, the question becomes what does her life interfere with that is worth PF's freedom because he knows he he will stand a 99.999% chance of going to jail for life? It cannot be custody because he is in jail. It cannot be for his mother because she loses him.

 

[MassGuy]

Okay, here is my speculation. This is what I think may have happened. This is ONLY SPECULATION MOO MOO MOO

On Thanksgiving Day, PF arrived at KBs home to take her and baby to dinner. An argument ensued. I am not going to speculate what the argument was about. KB went up to the loft, PF followed. The argument continues and becomes more heated and physical. PF pushes KB too hard and she falls over the pony wall to the floor below. She is not dead but is severely injured. PF freaks out, but instead of calling authorities or ambulance for help, he calls “blank” for help (not allowed to say who I think he calls here). He doesn’t want to be blamed for a DV, at this point, he wants the problem to go away. He texts this tothe person who is coming to help. He begs them to bring items necessary to “put her down”. (Solicitation to murder) Person “helping” refuses to go that far and urges PF to call ambulance, they are on the way. PF kills KB before person “helping” arrives, swears to helper that she died by accident. Person helping sees no good in baby losing both parents, continues with cover up until it all blows up.....and brings us to where we are.

I hope I have not violated TOS with my 100% Speculative theory of how this crime occurred and how perhaps someone else got mixed up in it and how phone and text records will be the key to solving it. I repeat MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO

My problem with this, is the whole “solicitation of first degree murder” thing.

You’re describing an emotional event, one that ended in a panicked coverup.

We know that murder had been on his mind for a period of time.

Because of this, her death is unlikely to have been the byproduct of an altercation that escalated.

He planned to kill her.

ETA because I misread what you were saying:

A solicitation charge stemming from an accident, would likely be unprecedented.

I’ve never heard of anything like that.

That’s just not how it works.

 

[LovesPeace2]

My heart goes out to kbs family all the rumours and speculation is awful it was bad for SW family what's going on to this family is so much worse. I hope they find her soon and I hope there's justice.

 

[mustloveco]

Here are some photos of her street Dec 10:

 

[Jessthinkin]

Really. It matters none if she followed any religion, consumed alcohol, wore jewelry, played lotto, baked cin’ rolls, or.......
None of these things are against the law. Nor reasons to go missing or be murdered.

If she was murdered in her home, how dumb of him. I’d think someone so familiar with the great outdoors might have coerced her to accompany him for a sight seeing drive. To a remote area. There’s a lot of potential for “accidents” off the beaten path, w/o leaving trace evidence. Jmo

In the big picture, I agree that it matters not a whit what KB’s personal preferences and proclivities were...

But in a trial by jury, it’s hard to know what things we see as inconsequential will resonate as pivotal to a juror. (When defense attorneys try to have a go at the victim....)

IMO...

 

[Jupiter05]

Here are my nagging questions of late:
1. Who plans to kill someone on usually the most laid-back family-oriented day of the year? Of note: it is a long weekend for many; it is low staff for police force on the day; it is a high travel time before and after; in essence the timing buys time and speaks of planning and not of spontaneous behavior.
2. KB from all appearances is doing everything as she normally does and appears unsuspecting, the question becomes what does her life interfere with that is worth PF's freedom because he knows he he will stand a 99.999% chance of going to jail for life? It cannot be custody because he is in jail. It cannot be for his mother because she loses him.

Maybe that is why he chose that day. People most likely entertaining family or going to anothers home. Stores close up early. Businesses closed. People pretty much tucked in for the day. Not a normal routine day and less chance of being spotted perhaps? IMO

 

[MCDRAW]

Ditto. IF he had a new “interest”, he simply weighed his options & decided someone’s got to go.
I think he is confident her body will never be found, as was SP. I also think he’ll remain silent, as did SP. play the victim. A man wrongly accused of murdering the love of his life. He’ll go to prison “innocent/wrongly convicted”, that’s how he’ll be known on the inside. Unlike CW, a “confessed” murderer.
Duplicitous relationships must cause stress. Factor in work, kids, rodeos, mom, falling cattle prices, etc., yup, I need eliminate something.
Jmo

Sorry, some of this is in an earlier post of mine. Having issues with WS site.

I believe the only reason CW confessed was because his parents taught him to do as he was told. Apparently, they did that well. His dad told him to cooperate with the police and in their victim impact statement something was said, along the lines they expected him to do his time with dignity and be responsible. I don't believe they ever believed he did anything wrong but being responsible and doing the right thing was important to them and CW. Otherwise, I don't think he would have ever confessed. JMO

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

My problem with this, is the whole “solicitation of first degree murder” thing.

You’re describing an emotional event, one that ended in a panicked coverup.

We know that murder had been on his mind for a period of time.

Because of this, her death is unlikely to have been the byproduct of an altercation that escalated.

He planned to kill her.

ETA because I misread what you were saying:

A solicitation charge stemming from an accident, would likely be unprecedented.

I’ve never heard of anything like that.

That’s just not how it works.

Charge up, bargain down.

 

[mustloveco]

From sidewalk on Lake st

 

[Jupiter05]

In the big picture, I agree that it matters not a whit what KB’s personal preferences and proclivities were...

But in a trial by jury, it’s hard to know what things we see as inconsequential will resonate as pivotal to a juror. (When defense attorneys try to have a go at the victim....)

IMO...

I agree. But unless his life was in danger by a little 100 pound person there is no reason to murder. Then top that with his actions or lack of afterwards. I am comforted somewhat that he has a public defender and they are not normally as vicious as a high powered defense attorney, right? Would be interested to hear from our attorneys on this matter.

 

[MCDRAW]

Did she buy a house? If so would it have went to him since she has a toddler daughter with him?

Wouldn't it have to be in his name to go to him? Or be paid for and left to him in the will?

 

[cluciano63]

Okay, here is my speculation. This is what I think may have happened. This is ONLY SPECULATION MOO MOO MOO

On Thanksgiving Day, PF arrived at KBs home to take her and baby to dinner. An argument ensued. I am not going to speculate what the argument was about. KB went up to the loft, PF followed. The argument continues and becomes more heated and physical. PF pushes KB too hard and she falls over the pony wall to the floor below. She is not dead but is severely injured. PF freaks out, but instead of calling authorities or ambulance for help, he calls “blank” for help (not allowed to say who I think he calls here). He doesn’t want to be blamed for a DV, at this point, he wants the problem to go away. He texts this tothe person who is coming to help. He begs them to bring items necessary to “put her down”. (Solicitation to murder) Person “helping” refuses to go that far and urges PF to call ambulance, they are on the way. PF kills KB before person “helping” arrives, swears to helper that she died by accident. Person helping sees no good in baby losing both parents, continues with cover up until it all blows up.....and brings us to where we are.

I hope I have not violated TOS with my 100% Speculative theory of how this crime occurred and how perhaps someone else got mixed up in it and how phone and text records will be the key to solving it. I repeat MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO

This does not work, since he is charged with soliciting murder, imo. Not the same as asking for help afterward.

 

[mustloveco]

Most my photos say too large for server. I don't know how to fix on iPhone.

 

[cluciano63]

Here are my nagging questions of late:
1. Who plans to kill someone on usually the most laid-back family-oriented day of the year? Of note: it is a long weekend for many; it is low staff for police force on the day; it is a high travel time before and after; in essence the timing buys time and speaks of planning and not of spontaneous behavior.
2. KB from all appearances is doing everything as she normally does and appears unsuspecting, the question becomes what does her life interfere with that is worth PF's freedom because he knows he he will stand a 99.999% chance of going to jail for life? It cannot be custody because he is in jail. It cannot be for his mother because she loses him.

They seldom think they will get caught...

 

[Trudie]

My problem with this, is the whole “solicitation of first degree murder” thing.

You’re describing an emotional event, one that ended in a panicked coverup.

We know that murder had been on his mind for a period of time.

Because of this, her death is unlikely to have been the byproduct of an altercation that escalated.

He planned to kill her.

A solicitation charge stemming from an accident, would likely be unprecedented.

I’ve never heard of anything like that.

That’s just not how it works.

I still think the solicited person was discovered thru phone/texts OR went to LE on his own accord. Obviously, LE has proof of solicitation or they would have concealed that info until confirmation was made. So, IMO, even if the solicited person presented to LE on his/her own volition, there had to be proof. Documentation. IMO. I believe phone records. I hate to believe he shot a text to a friend “hey buddy, can you help me kill my baby momma. I’m thinking Tday as good as any. Let me know”. MOO

 

[Jupiter05]

My heart goes out to kbs family all the rumours and speculation is awful it was bad for SW family what's going on to this family is so much worse. I hope they find her soon and I hope there's justice.

Me too. I have jumped in (and then out) of a few FB discussion sites and some of the things on there are just ridiculous. I think people make up acounts and send PM's to groups saying they are family members and then they are screen shotted and the crowd goes wild. It made me crazy and disgusted so I do appreciate KB's family taking a time out. And I do appreciate the dignity of this site. Thank you all.