CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

[Concernedmamaof3]

I am thinking if they were not living together she would not give him her passcode , assuming the phone had one.

My pass codes are related to my kids’ birthdays. He may have been able to guess hers. He also could have asked to use her phone weeks before when she was busy and being in a relationship she told it to him without a second thought. A more gruesome thought would be using her recently deceased finger to open the phone to change the passcode.

 

[Hatch]

Soooo, that would mean he'd have to take the body with him to Idaho, right?

Do we know if the thumb prints are heat sensitive on phones?

 

[CrimeAddict]

CW has 9 felony counts, i don’t see it completely unebelievable if PF had more than just 1-2 counts, especially if he disposed of her remains.

 

[PommyMommy]

Is it a hearing or arraignment?

It is a first appearance hearing.

 

[MassGuy]

CW has 9 felony counts, i don’t see it completely unebelievable if PF had more than just 1-2 counts, especially if he disposed of her remains.

Yeah, if it is true, perhaps I am just not understanding what it is saying.

We’ll need a lawyer to chime in, if the document is real.

ETA: Real

 

[tmar]

I hope she did. Because the man she moved all the way to Colorado for is a *******. I would be pleased to learn that she experienced some happiness with someone who treated her well before PF murdered her.
MOO

I am hoping the same: that Kelsey had a love interest.
PF, she found out, was not whom she initially thought.
A new relationship, if this occurred would have Kelsey thinking about a better future.
She perhaps was happy, prior to her final unexpected moments.
MOO.

 

[BingoBongo]

The warrants are sealed. This is purportedly from cocourts.com. You have to pay to search. It's possible it's doctored, it's possible it's really from that site. Someone would have to pay the $7.00 to search themselves to prove it one way or another.



It does follow the format of the screenshots on cocourts.com.

Is it possible cocourts got the date wrong?

 

[CrimeAddict]

Yeah, if it is true, perhaps I am just not understanding what it is saying.

We’ll need a lawyer to chime in, if the document is real.

It is hard to read, i read it several times.

 

[The Saint]

One scenario could be that PF called KB and told her that an old buddy was in town for the Thanksgiving holiday and PF wanted him to meet Kaylee and Kelsey. Could they just stop in for a few minutes?

It may be why she had two cinnamon rolls setting out.
I would think that she and Kaylee had already eaten theirs when they were warm.

So the out-of-town friend (aka the Hitman) arrives in his rental car
and Patrick pulls up in his truck. The killer strangles, bludgeons, stabs or shoots her w/ a silencer.

Patrick takes off with the baby and goes to Thanksgiving dinner
with his mom + other family members. The hitman wraps up KB's body and goes and dumps her someplace. Her body may have been moved later to another site that is farther away.

After dinner, Patrick returns to KB's house and tries to clean up the murder scene.

IMO

 

[Ccging]

It is a first appearance hearing.

Wondering if any of our WS attorneys can give us any idea what to expect at a first appearance hearing? They read the charges? Does he enter his plea?

 

[LAHOLLA]

Okay now we definitely need the lawyers to chime in. I’ve never read court docs that included solicitation.

Is the September date a typo?

Did they find evidence of solicitation that goes back to September?

What is the second murder charge? Aren’t there 2 murder and 3 solicitation?

 

[tiffay001]

I am thinking if they were not living together she would not give him her passcode , assuming the phone had one.

Very true! I do think it would be possible to figure ones password out, if you were close enough to them. But I am still trying to make sense of the senseless act of murder. So I suppose anything is possible. But someone had access to that phone three days later and hundred of miles from her home.

 

[PommyMommy]

Wondering if any of our WS attorneys can give us any idea what to expect at a first appearance hearing? They read the charges? Does he enter his plea?

Colorado Criminal Procedure in First Degree - Guides - Avvo
FIRST APPEARANCE
Defendant is advised of the charges they are facing, and if bond is an option, the amount is set. First degree murder charges prevent the setting of a bond unless after a hearing, the prosecution fails to prove that the proof is evident or the presumption great that the defendant committed first degree murder, a burden of proof greater than probable cause but less than proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The defendant is not required to enter a plea during the advisement.

 

[Jessthinkin]

I've always thought from day 1 he'd plead NG and I don't think he'll ever offer any confession, remorse, information to her remains......nothing. IDK why I feel so strongly about this of PF, but I do.

Maybe it's his omnipresent "to heck with you" vibe...

 

[CrimeAddict]

Colorado Criminal Procedure in First Degree - Guides - Avvo
FIRST APPEARANCE
Defendant is advised of the charges they are facing, and if bond is an option, the amount is set. First degree murder charges prevent the setting of a bond unless after a hearing, the prosecution fails to prove that the proof is evident or the presumption great that the defendant committed first degree murder, a burden of proof greater than probable cause but less than proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The defendant is not required to enter a plea during the advisement.

Seems like they will have to say something important and of value tomorrow.

 

[PommyMommy]

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Okay now we definitely need the lawyers to chime in. I’ve never read court docs that included solicitation.

Is the September date a typo?

Did they find evidence of solicitation that goes back to September?

What is the second murder charge? Aren’t there 2 murder and 3 solicitation?

@gitana1, @riolove77, @PrairieWind we have questions. ^

 

[MassGuy]

Colorado Criminal Procedure in First Degree - Guides - Avvo
FIRST APPEARANCE
Defendant is advised of the charges they are facing, and if bond is an option, the amount is set. First degree murder charges prevent the setting of a bond unless after a hearing, the prosecution fails to prove that the proof is evident or the presumption great that the defendant committed first degree murder, a burden of proof greater than probable cause but less than proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The defendant is not required to enter a plea during the advisement.

I think this will be quick, and PF won’t say a word.

Not much tv time for him, which is a shame because I enjoy the “Steve from Blues Clues” outfit.

The pink handcuffs aren’t too shabby either.

 

[The Saint]

Has anyone considered the timing of Thanksgiving dinner at
the Frazee ranch being based on televised football games?

My family worked around my dad's viewing schedule. He especially
wanted to watch the college football games.

Thanksgiving day, Thurs Nov 22nd: Colorado State at Air Force, 2:30 p.m., CBSSN
Thanksgiving football schedule: From the NFL to NCAA, here's who's playing

 

[Gardener1850]

I am thinking if they were not living together she would not give him her passcode , assuming the phone had one.

IDK, it might have been an easy number to guess-- like baby K's birthday. I know people are probably tired of hearing about the Watts case but in that case a friend of the victim knew her cell phone's passcode when her husband claimed he didn't know it-- it was her baby's due date. Also I can think of plenty of scenarios where she might have told him her passcode or he might have watched her put it in. If they were out on a date, for example, and she asked him to take a photo with her phone or retrieve some info from her phone for her while she was driving or while she was holding baby, he might need the code.

Most people I know are not too worried about a significant other accessing their phone. I often ask my husband to use my phone to pull up a map or retrieve appointment info or get a phone number that I may have that he doesn't have in his phone. And I might use my husband's phone sometimes too if his has better signal or if his phone is more charged up than mine, etc. The lock feature on my phone is mainly to prevent someone from stealing my phone and accessing my personal info/using the phone for their own purposes. I don't have any reason to think my husband will murder me and use my phone to text pretending to be me and sadly I'm guessing KB probably didn't think PF was going to murder her and send texts from her phone either. MOO.

(sorry for the book-- this ended up being longer than I planned, lol )

 

[Ccging]

I think this will be quick, and PF won’t say a word.

Not much tv time for him, which is a shame because I enjoy the “Steve from Blues Clues” outfit.

The pink handcuffs aren’t too shabby either.

I agree. And Steve from Blue’s Clues...lmao!!!