CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #2

[PommyMommy]

Is there a way to set up automatic text messages to be sent from a phone at a certain day/time?

I don't know but I wondered about one of those spoof apps.
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[Kapua]

Good point. No one goes dark for three days.

My phone wouldn't stay charged for three days, either.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Good point. No one goes dark for three days.

I use my phone GPS navigation while traveling to find rest stops, fast food, motels. Besides, I don't think Kelsey was on a road trip.

 

[SandyQLS]

After the false ping article, this one came out with a statement from Verizon.

"The same day officers conducted the welfare check, Berreth’s cell phone was pinged near Gooding at 5:13 p.m – over 800 miles from her home in Colorado. Steve Van Dinter, a Verizon spokesman, tells EastIdahoNews.com that the ping would be accurate within a mile of the location coordinates."

New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho | East Idaho News

Thanks. KB's phone was pinged per Verizon. That implies that the phone company sought out the phone rather than random pinging of towers?

 

[Stazzyboo]

Whoever took her had to have known her really well - considering the ping was in Idaho - this individual knew where she worked, who to text, etc. So if it's not the fiance I imagine a coworker, perhaps another pilot - that would explain how a cell phone ping ended up in another state, maybe someone else flew it/her there (thus why no missing planes). It's possible she was romantically involved if her fiance and her aren't really together.

Why the fiance didn't report her missing is definitely super fishy especially with a child involved, was the child supposed to stay with him for several days and why he wasn't concerned earlier? I get if they aren't together why he wouldn't follow up for personal reasons but they share a child, how could you not get concerned earlier? Who knows! Hope whoever took her is found and brought to justice.

 

[Seattle1]

Search for missing 29-year-old from Woodland Park goes national

WOODLAND PARK • Missing 29-year-old mother Kelsey Berreth apparently had planned to be gone from her job as a flight instructor for Doss Aviation in Pueblo for a week after Thanksgiving.

But she still hasn’t returned home.

Now a nationwide search is underway for Berreth, who moved to Woodland Park in 2016 with her fiance, the father of her 1-year-old daughter.
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Officers have interviewed her fiance, Patrick Frazee. Asked whether police will search his home, De Young said, “That’s something we’re going to have to look into. ...
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Frazee said he last saw Kelsey on Thanksgiving, when she handed off their daughter to him, De Young said. He never lived with Kelsey, Cheryl Berreth said. Frazee was not at the news conference.
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Frazee told police he last heard from her three days later, on Nov. 25, the day she told her boss she wouldn’t be at work that week.
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Kelsey works in the Pueblo office of Doss Aviation, which “provides flight training for the U.S. military and international armed services,” a spokeswoman confirmed. ... The company does not release information on employees, she said, so she could not say how long Kelsey has worked there.
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LATE ETA: However, the police chief said that Kelsey’s fiancee is named Patrick Frasee, According to KDVR, “He told police the last text he received from her phone was on November 25th. Police said Kelsey’s mother reported her missing on December 2nd.”

 

[cody22]

Thanks. KB's phone was pinged per Verizon. That implies that the phone company sought out the phone rather than random pinging of towers?

Best info post of the day so far....Thank you for it.....MOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Jethro4WS]

Video of missing Woodland Park woman released by police
Video of the last time Kelsey Berreth was seen in public, on Nov. 22 at a Woodland Park Safeway, was released Tuesday by police and posted on the department’s Facebook page.

In about one hour’s time, the post had been viewed ten-thousand times. Investigators hope the video footage leads to tips in helping them solve the case.

I was surprised to see that Kelsey had her daughter in an infant carrier. I had different expectations based on the child being 15 months but I guess she is on the small side.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Hi everyone, great comments so far.

I have a few thoughts I'll break into a couple posts for readability.

I tend to favor what appears to be the most likely outcome in many of these cases--that she fell victim to foul play at the hands of someone close to her. But unless evidence points that way, I think LE and those who wish to help her have to consider all possible scenarios.

So for example...

1. People have questioned why the fiancé didn't report her missing. One possible explanation is nefarious, but I can think of alternative reasons why he and LE might not reveal the contents of the text that are more protective. Let's say she had texted to tell him that she was breaking up with him, that she was having a mental breakdown and needed some space, that she had intent to self-harm, that she was running away to pursue some adventure/passion/ex/lover, that she was using some sort of controlled substance and didn't feel safe with the baby, that she was checking into rehab/recovery etc. In any of these cases, or others we could think of, the fiancé could conceivably be trying to protect the privacy or reputation of his family. This could also explain why he didn't attend the press conference, if he doesn't truly consider her a conventional "missing person" due to the circumstances under which she "left." Maybe he doesn't want to reveal what he knows, because it will ruin her reputation, so he is avoiding being put on the spot by reporters.

Again, these are maybe not the most likely outcome in my mind, but important to consider.

2. What if it wasn't exactly a "custody exchange?"

I've seen it said that she met her fiancé to "exchange the child," then I've seen others refer to it as a "custody" exchange--but are we sure that is what it was? I've been married for 15 years, but I still might call my husband on his way home from work and say "Meet me at the grocery store to pick up our kids so I can go through the check out lane and then cook in peace...and I'll be ready for dinner." What if it was more a part of how they planned their day and then, as the day proceeded, they got into an argument and called off their plans?

What if, as she was baking, a second plan came up. Obviously, the fiancé could have picked her up. Or, purely hypothetically, let's say she had her doubts about the fiancé for months and they got into an argument, and she reached out to another friend, an ex, a flirty co-worker or someone else to blow off steam. What if someone swung by and said let's go out for drinks or Black Friday shopping? What if she called a cab or an Uber/Lyft etc. and took off for some sort of fun day or night on the town to take her mind off things? Did she take a hiking pack with her ID and credit cards and go out to unwind in nature? In any of these situations, she grabs her purse, thinking she'd be back, but then falls victim to something else.

There are many reasons someone might leave cinnamon rolls out: they didn't feel like cleaning it up then and intended to clean it up later that night, they were depressed and unmotivated, they had a change of plans and had to hurry to get ready for a different outing...

On the other hand, I also think, if she intended to leave town, she could've been picking up food her daughter likes to leave with her fiancé. That sounds like something I would do if I was leaving my kids in the care of my husband, just because I feel like he might not know or think to make sure they're stocked up on their favorite items.

3. On the bag. I have a super close relationship with my brothers, 1 of whom lives very close by. But there's no way they would have been able to look at my clothes and makeup and luggage, at age 29, and accurately assess whether I had taken a bag of clothes with me when I left. Case in point: I keep a gym bag packed with an extra makeup bag, toothbrush, and change of clothes. If I threw a few more items into that for a weekend away, would my brother notice that was missing? No. He's never even seen it before to my knowledge and he lives in the same town. He wouldn't be able to be sure how many pieces of luggage I own even. He would only be able to open my medicine cabinet and make an educated guess--like, I see a toothbrush, so she must not have taken it. But I have more than 1 toothbrush. Lots of people do.

4. On other possible reasons they might not spend Thanksgiving together...

Before we were married, while we were dating, my husband and I occasionally separated for certainly holiday functions, so I'm just trying to think of reasons they might not have been celebrating together.

--They had a falling out.
--They're not really together.
--They have separate plans. She got invited to a weekend away with someone, he wanted to stay close to home with fam.
--She doesn't like or has conflict with the finance's family.
--She is sick.
--She is in a bad place mentally/emotionally.
--She planned to work the day or so following Thanksgiving and didn't want to drive to a potentially out of town celebration.

Again, I think the most likely scenario is foul play at the hands of a close person, with the second most likely being a voluntary absence due to circumstances the public isn't aware of.

I want to know what plans the fiancé or others believed Kelsey had for the holidays and who else spoke with her in the 48 hours prior to her disappearance. And I want them to check cameras between finance's house and hers, and between hers and routes out of town.

 

[alucardsdream]

Thanks. KB's phone was pinged per Verizon. That implies that the phone company sought out the phone rather than random pinging of towers?

But they're saying it was pinged the same day police conducted the welfare check...wasn't that on Dec 2nd? Not Nov 25th?

 

[Jupiter05]

Just saw an ABC segment on TV. PF has retained a lawyer and did not speak to media. Told them to get off of his property. Hmmmm.

 

[Tranquileyes]

Is there a way to set up automatic text messages to be sent from a phone at a certain day/time?

Yes.. Not that I am aware of on an iPhone but on my android phone I had, I could do that, and I used that feature often. It's a pity that the iPhone doesn't offer that feature.

But.. That still doesn't explain the phone ping in Idaho.

 

[Cherokee]

I was surprised to see that Kelsey had her daughter in an infant carrier. I had different expectations based on the child being 15 months but I guess she is on the small side.

 

[PommyMommy]

Police release surveillance video of missing Colorado mother
Berreth’s fiancé, Patrick Frazee, told police he saw Kelsey later in the afternoon when he picked up their daughter, but investigators won’t release details on where that exchange took place.

Police have canvassed neighborhoods and conducted multiple interviews, but they are no closer to finding Kelsey.

Police said there’s no indication she got on a plane.

Berreth’s fiancé was not at the press briefing on Monday. He is involved in equine care in Florissant.

FOX31 stopped by his house looking to talk to him on Tuesday but the gate across the driveway was locked. Police say the couple’s one-year old daughter is currently with Frazee.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

A few thoughts on the cell phone...

People have questioned why she'd text to take time off at work. Some of this might depend on how schedules were structured at her place of work. In jobs where employees always work 40 hours a week and students are scheduled round the clock, she probably couldn't get away with texting to take a week off. But what if she's more of a contractor of sorts who works for them, but sets her own schedule as her clients/students need flight hours? Until we hear differently from her place of work, it's possible she can flex her own schedule by simply not scheduling people that week...and that, in her line of work, this is not out of place.

It's also possible that she texted them because she felt like she was failing them and could not handle talking to them directly. Just as it's possible she texted because she was making a major change and was okay risking being let go. We don't know what the text said, right? What if it said, "I'm having a personal crisis and I'd like to return, but I need at least a week off."

If someone else sent the texts, which seems just as likely...they could probably find the boss or co-workers' number and previous texts exchanged with them on the phone. If you looked at my cell phone, you'd be able to see a history of me talking to my coworkers and boss without much searching.

On how the phone pinged so far away... I don't suspect it was mailed or thrown onto a semi or train, because it would ping multiple times along the way (although it is possible it DID ping multiple times along the way and LE just isn't revealing it). If she was traveling via plane at a high altitude(seems unlikely), it could have not pinged any towers until she landed. However, any person--Kelsey or someone else--could turn the phone off for the drive and turn it back on once they reached a stopping point or destination.

Also, the phone company would be able to distinguish between texts sent from a computer linked to a phone vs. the phone itself.

Any chance she missed work? Any chance she no called no showed for work in the days following Thanksgiving and work contacted her mom as an emergency #? If mom then texted her phone, it could've prompted Kelsey or someone else to text work.

Is there any chance the fiancé, baby, and Kelsey all went on a trip, but Kelsey did not return with them?

 

[scdiv]

Cousin JoDee Garretson of Pasco says they're grasping at straws, but right now that's all they have to go on.

She says Kelsey's mom and brother are in Woodland Park searching for the 29-year-old mother.

"They're a very close-knit family. That's why I don't believe she'd just..." Garretson paused mid-sentence to wipe away tears. "She's got to see people are looking for her. She wouldn't put them through that."
Pasco relatives pray for miracle as search continues for missing Colorado mother

This was a good article/interview with the cousin.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Thanks. KB's phone was pinged per Verizon. That implies that the phone company sought out the phone rather than random pinging of towers?

That article was all wrong. The police didn't conduct the welfare check until after her mother reported her missing and that would be December 2nd. The ping of the phone was on November 25th. Verizon wouldn't ping the phone for any reason unless law enforcement requested it and that couldn't have happened on November 25th.

The ping has to be her phone pinging the tower.

 

[Cherokee]

IMHO, it's possible for the perp to have killed Kelsey, driven to Gooding, Idaho (to make it look as if she was on her way to where she had family), sent the alleged texts on November 25th, then buried Kelsey and her phone in a remote area near Gooding or thrown both Kelsey and the phone into the Big Wood River (or one of its tributaries) that flows through Gooding.

 

[Gardener1850]

Yes.. Not that I am aware of on an iPhone but on my android phone I had, I could do that, and I used that feature often. It's a pity that the iPhone doesn't offer that feature.

But.. That still doesn't explain the phone ping in Idaho.

I was thinking that someone could set up the auto messages to send on Nov 25th and then maybe put the phone on a semi or a bus or a train (perhaps the day before). Or give it to someone traveling that direction. Just trying to work out how someone could do this without an accomplice knowingly helping them.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Is there a way to set up automatic text messages to be sent from a phone at a certain day/time?

I do it often, especially for people's birthdays ahead of time.