CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #20 *ARREST*

[Uninformant]

How might your beliefs about this case change if you discovered he solicited undercover law enforcement? Would the pieces fall into place? Would the bizarre behavior of everyone involved suddenly make sense? What if the undercover agent was supposed to do the deed and then provide PF with evidence, like her phone, before collecting payment? And what if she is still alive, in protective custody while the sting plays out?

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

Apparently they met on an online dating site.

I don’t think we can really draw too many conclusions about him based on court videos and still photographs.

Personally, as far as that court video goes, I got the feeling that he was understanding of the gravity of his current situation.

He looked nervous to me.

There is obviously something “off” about him, as he is a cold blooded murderer.

I just don’t think we can diagnose him with anything based on the limited information we have.

This! We really know very little about him.

 

[susiQ]

This is still up in the air. I see two likely possibilities here:

That video clip was specifically selected because they wanted to show Kelsey’s appearance.

Or

The remainder of that video contains evidence that they don’t want released.

Interesting yes. Earlier in the thread another poster who lives in WP said she went to that Safeway and noticed there were a number of cameras within the store as well. Was someone in there at the same time that appeared suspicious? Perhaps following her, and reporting back to PF on a cell, "Looks like she checking out, she'll be there shortly?" Don't know just thinking

 

[Jessthinkin]

How might your beliefs about this case change if you discovered he solicited undercover law enforcement? Would the pieces fall into place? Would the bizarre behavior of everyone involved suddenly make sense? What if the undercover agent was supposed to do the deed and then provide PF with evidence, like her phone, before collecting payment? And what if she is still alive, in protective custody while the sting plays out?

If that is what is playing out, I would be over the moon happy about it...

 

[cluciano63]

I guess I just don’t see any indications on Kelsey’s part that they were broken up and a neighbor thought they both lived there. But we may never really know, like much else.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

How might your beliefs about this case change if you discovered he solicited undercover law enforcement? Would the pieces fall into place? Would the bizarre behavior of everyone involved suddenly make sense? What if the undercover agent was supposed to do the deed and then provide PF with evidence, like her phone, before collecting payment? And what if she is still alive, in protective custody while the sting plays out?

They wouldn’t be able to charge him with first degree murder as they have it this were the case.

 

[MassGuy]

How might your beliefs about this case change if you discovered he solicited undercover law enforcement? Would the pieces fall into place? Would the bizarre behavior of everyone involved suddenly make sense? What if the undercover agent was supposed to do the deed and then provide PF with evidence, like her phone, before collecting payment? And what if she is still alive, in protective custody while the sting plays out?

If that was even possible (hundreds of people would have to be involved), it would single handedly erode all confidence in law enforcement.

If a movie other than a comedy had that scenario, I would walk out.

This isn’t a horrible movie though, it is real life.

That doesn’t happen. It couldn’t happen.

Hundreds of people are not conspiring to commit the greatest fraud ever to be perpetrated in the history of American justice.

Kelsey is dead. PF is responsible.

This ain’t Hollywood.

 

[Ccging]

How might your beliefs about this case change if you discovered he solicited undercover law enforcement? Would the pieces fall into place? Would the bizarre behavior of everyone involved suddenly make sense? What if the undercover agent was supposed to do the deed and then provide PF with evidence, like her phone, before collecting payment? And what if she is still alive, in protective custody while the sting plays out?

I think we would all like this to play out that way, especially with her being alive, but unless PF is some sort of huge drug lord what would even be the purpose of a sting like that??

 

[1mtroyal]

Really hoping they tracked PF’s phone everywhere and are checking all spots where his phone pinged for her body, i am sure they are... And that’s why i think they hit on something in the yard and dug all that up. Maybe he was outside pacing back and forth talking to someone for an hour or even several hours.. and they knew he spent a ton of time outside one of those nights on thanksgiving weekend. His mom could have easily been sleeping late at night having no idea he was outside.. and he was out there with even her body and not sure what to do with it and called his buddy to discuss where to take her.. also... his truck they took.. probably some evidence in there that her body was in there..

Remember, this is Thanksgiving, anyone in the house may have gone somewhere, with other family members for Thanksgiving.

 

[susiQ]

Yes. And I'm glad there are cameras everywhere.

It makes me feel safer going to my car late at night when I have to make a grocery run.

Personally, I avoid going out late at night if possible. Cameras don't always prevent a killing, they just make it easier to catch the perp.

 

[1mtroyal]

How might your beliefs about this case change if you discovered he solicited undercover law enforcement? Would the pieces fall into place? Would the bizarre behavior of everyone involved suddenly make sense? What if the undercover agent was supposed to do the deed and then provide PF with evidence, like her phone, before collecting payment? And what if she is still alive, in protective custody while the sting plays out?

I think they would have informed her mother, if he solicited undercover, he would have been arrested before anything bad happened.

 

[1mtroyal]

In the custody hearing, if there had been a custody decision that was already in effect, that custody decision would have been mentioned and/or vacated, or amended. Apparently there was no custody that was in effect previous to this latest decision.

 

[K9Enzo]

I believe when the text was sent to her employer, as her, at that point, the plan was falling apart. That almost seemed like a frantic, not well thought out plan.

I also don’t believe PF or “they” were savvy at all with what the FBI can do with a phone remotely.

 

[Ccging]

Ok, throwing out a theory, would love thoughts....and sorry if anyone else has put this out there....

What if PF did have another girl and that girl wanted KB gone, she was fine with the baby, but wanted KB out of the picture. Would PF kill for her? What if he solicited her help, but he would be the one to get his hands dirty. She just had to take the cell phone and purse and carry out that part, on her way back home and en route to KB allegedly visiting family. PF took care of KB. After it is really done, other girl has second thoughts and calls LE. Maybe she freaks that he REALLY did it.? She knows enough of the real details they can back up her story. Plausible??

 

[Hatfield]

How might your beliefs about this case change if you discovered he solicited undercover law enforcement? Would the pieces fall into place? Would the bizarre behavior of everyone involved suddenly make sense? What if the undercover agent was supposed to do the deed and then provide PF with evidence, like her phone, before collecting payment? And what if she is still alive, in protective custody while the sting plays out?

IMO
LE would never keep her from seeing her own child once he took the child.

If an undercover agent was used they would have busted him right away just like they busted Dalia Dippolito who tried to hire a hitman to kill her newlywed husband and the hitman turned out to be LE.

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[MassGuy]

Ok, throwing out a theory, would love thoughts....and sorry if anyone else has put this out there....

What if PF did have another girl and that girl wanted KB gone, she was fine with the baby, but wanted KB out of the picture. Would PF kill for her? What if he solicited her help, but he would be the one to get his hands dirty. She just had to take the cell phone and purse and carry out that part, on her way back home and en route to KB allegedly visiting family. PF took care of KB. After it is really done, other girl has second thoughts and calls LE. Maybe she freaks that he REALLY did it.? She knows enough of the real details they can back up her story. Plausible??

My issue with this is that they weren’t even married.

Kelsey wouldn’t have posed any threat to this other woman, had PF simply broken off the relationship.

My personal feeling is that this relationship may have in fact, been over for some time.

That’s not to say that there isn’t another woman in the picture, but I just don’t think she put him up to anything.

The opposite could be true though, he could have asked her to help with the coverup, and she could now be talking.

If she exists, of course.

 

[WildWest]

My thought on this is that her mom had to remain calm the entire time before he was arrested. She knew they broke up, she knew he was a nasty human being. IMO she was playing along so her grand daughter would be FINE and he would be jailed. Imagine that strength!

I think so too. I found an interview she gave odd, now it all makes perfect sense. CB was playing along. I'm in awe of her strength.

 

[Ccging]

My issue with this is that they weren’t even married.

Kelsey wouldn’t have posed any threat to this other woman, had PF simply broken off the relationship.

My personal feeling is that this relationship may have in fact, been over for some time.

That’s not to say that there isn’t another woman in the picture, but I just don’t think she put him up to anything.

The opposite could be true though, he could have asked her to help with the coverup, and she could now be talking.

If she exists, of course.

Right, but KB was the baby’s mom, so even if PF had broken up with KB, new girl would still have to deal with her as they had the baby together. Some women are threatened by even that small interaction.

 

[Inthedetails]

Ok, throwing out a theory, would love thoughts....and sorry if anyone else has put this out there....

What if PF did have another girl and that girl wanted KB gone, she was fine with the baby, but wanted KB out of the picture. Would PF kill for her? What if he solicited her help, but he would be the one to get his hands dirty. She just had to take the cell phone and purse and carry out that part, on her way back home and en route to KB allegedly visiting family. PF took care of KB. After it is really done, other girl has second thoughts and calls LE. Maybe she freaks that he REALLY did it.? She knows enough of the real details they can back up her story. Plausible??

It doesn't seem that PF was interested in KB at all. I don't see how a new girlfriend would be particularly threatened by competition from KB - PF didn't seem to even like her.

MAYBE a love interest is somehow involved (IDK), but I don't think her motive would be jealousy.

Speculation. JMO.

 

[Charlot123]

How does LE know there was a robbery involved if PF is not
talking? Wasn't it said earlier by one of our verified attys. that
it had to be robbery BY FORCE to the victim BEFORE she was
killed?
Seems to me an accomplice was there and told LE about the robbery. this accomplice may be one of snitches, IMO.

So what was she robbed of? Money? Jewelry? ATM card?

Anyone else think PF could be caught up in drugs and needed
money or a fix?

This could explain so much. You don’t need the motive, really, if you are on drugs. But then, we are thinking opiates, not meth, first, he does not look like he is on meth, nor would he need that much money for meth.

Two things against it,

One, going through withdrawal in a county jail, he would not be able to attend any hearings or look the way he does (disheveled but functional).

Second, it KB knew he had an opiate problem, I doubt she’d leave the child with him for 75% of the time.

But there is always a possibility. It might have started legally, with rodeo traumas.

 

[Inthedetails]

I think so too. I found an interview she gave odd, now it all makes perfect sense. CB was playing along. I'm in awe of her strength.

ITA