CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #20 *ARREST*

[PommyMommy]

VERY VERY well could have.. CBI didn't have the 'skill set' needed thus requiring the FBI... AGAIN, this leads me to my original question.....WHEN does the Federal Bureau of Investigation get called into a case? I simply do not have that answer, only that it is needed local district team to assist.. Its soo confusing! As I stated earlier, there is different skill sets per departments or companies (CBI vs FBI vs WPPD) so maybe they found evidence that requires the more extreme skill set be involved?? I am hoping anyway, but as usual this is just MOO. ALSO.... WHEN does a missing person case get the needed attention of the FBI? is it when it reaches National attention?

When they are needed which varies by jurisdiction. It doesn't have anything to do with national attention.
MOO

 

[Ultra Violet]

I have an awful feeling that with the timing of this investigation, the prosecution has evidence, but does not have solid confirmed evidence....IE- tested by lab or verified. Hence their motion to extend to Friday. Which makes me wonder how they can charge him with crimes but say "hey wait, we will get you this evidence just as soon as we can.. Just sit tight..." Sounds like a circus side show to me.. This makes me sooo scared for KB family.
ETA: Especially knowing how FAST the FBI processes evidence..

The DA did mention that they are experiencing issues due to the number of agencies involved and the fact that the investigation is taking place over the holiday season. When the investigators are pursuing leads, not everyone is available and that has made it challenging for them. He can’t discuss any specifics, but it doesn’t seem to be due to the lack of quality evidence to me, just a product of the number of agencis involved and holiday season. MOO

You can hear him speak on it here at the 9:45 mark of this clip from today’s press conference:

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[Ccging]

I think LE found the phone in ID. Remember the one news outlet in ID that reported her phone was found but other outlets were unable to corroborate? Add that to the DA's statement (during court proceedings?) about having to ask other LE agencies to remain silent about developments in the case...

And I really like this judge. She seems extremely knowledgeable and well versed and appears to rule based on law and integrity, without bias. I was disappointed to hear her mention another judge would be getting the case sometime in January. Her comment about working with both side's schedules and making herself available was impressive and stood out to me.
(All of my opinions are based on things I heard during the court session today. Not saying I heard everything correctly though.)
JMO, MOO, etc

I agree, I almost wonder if someone he enlisted for help took the phone to Idaho per his instruction, sent the texts, and was supposed to destroy the phone, but kept it as some sort of leverage against him? And LE there know this and the person there is the one who is talking? The only problem is would they not be charged as an accessory to his crime? Just a theory.

 

[Hatch]

Sigh, with the last day of the year being here, let's hope for swift justice and bringing Kelsey home in 2019

And Peace and Understanding for her family.

 

[Ccging]

Yes, she would have been left in the home. Unless something happened that would leave forensics behind. What if one of the accomplices raped her? And then they realized they had to take her, and they decided to make it look like she went away voluntarily instead?

I am going with the idea that KB fought back against the attack and PF’s DNA is either under her nails or maybe she bit him? I think the disposal of the body was not anticipated. MOO

 

[Vandalay Industries]

I strongly believe that someone else brought that phone to Idaho, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he did it himself.

There is nothing that excludes him from being able to do that, especially with the nature of his job. He could travel to Idaho, and not be missed, especially if he left the baby in the care of his mommy.

I don’t have a good theory as to the robbery charge, as I haven’t heard anything that gives insight as to that possibility.

I’m open to the idea of a financial motivation, but I still think this has to do with child custody.

I honestly think the "robbery" is a 'rookie' failed murder 'story'.. I mean, think about this... was PF THAT dumb to try this angle???? NO.. nope, not buying this 'robbery' theme whatsoever... IF anything, the robbery story sticks bc her purse and cell phone are missing.... When LE FIRSt entered her house originally, there were NO SIGNS of disrupt.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Not true. This is how we do it. Never put all your eggs in one basket. Juries are unpredictable.

I realize for felony and premeditated murder he could get the death penalty. Do you know the sentence for solicitation? When the case goes to the jury, can he be convicted of both felony murder and premeditated murder and all three counts of solicitation? Is that possible?

 

[whererthey]

Was just thinking about the hearing today and I don't remember PF having any reaction to anything that was said.
Not a blink.
Not a twitch. Smirk. Nothing.

 

[susiQ]

Yes, she would have been left in the home. Unless something happened that would leave forensics behind. What if one of the accomplices raped her? And then they realized they had to take her, and they decided to make it look like she went away voluntarily instead?

Or, maybe she fought back hard and got some of their blood on her or their skin under her nails. It's really too bad 10 days passed where PF's wounds got to heal if she left marks.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I’m out for a day and I have so much to catch up on! Wanted to throw out an alternative theory. What is SF is innocent on all this, simply taken in for questioning then released. Her involvement has certainly been a target of suspicion, but what if she is as appalled at her son’s actions and choices as we are? Thoughts?

I don't really have any level of certainty of SF's involvement if any. We <the public> don't know anything about how she feels because she has chosen to remain silent just like the defendant. No visible support at PC's for Kelsey, no contact with CB in regards to at least a visit with baby K, no pleas on tv or social media. Crickets. That doesn't prove anything, but it speaks volumes to me. JMO

One could argue she's supporting her son and his decision to remain silent as is her right, but as she is a mother herself, I cannot fathom expressing zero concern for the well being of her son's fiancee and darling grandbaby's missing/presumed deceased mother. MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

I do think that someone else was involved in regards to the whole cell phone situation, but I don’t think there is another killer out there, walking free.

It’s not easy to find someone willing to kill for you, and I think he decided to alter his plan, ultimately doing it himself.

Do you think there is a person in Idaho involved with the cell phone, texts, etc? Do you believe he had a girlfriend? If he did, would that have leaked by now?

 

[Vandalay Industries]

When they are needed which varies by jurisdiction. It doesn't have anything to do with national attention.
MOO

Sorry, Pommy Mommy..That was second question I should have posted separately.. my apologies... My 2nd question meaning, when does a missing person case gain national attention? Is it direct involvement through local LE, FBI, or just the family reaching out through FB and local friends 'spreading the word'?

 

[Love Never Fails]

I honestly think the "robbery" is a 'rookie' failed murder 'story'.. I mean, think about this... was PF THAT dumb to try this angle???? NO.. nope, not buying this 'robbery' theme whatsoever... IF anything, the robbery story sticks bc her purse and cell phone are missing.... When LE FIRSt entered her house originally, there were NO SIGNS of disrupt.

I read many posts about a missing purse. But IIRC, the only thing missing was her phone.

 

[skyedaze]

I strongly believe that someone else brought that phone to Idaho, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he did it himself.

There is nothing that excludes him from being able to do that, especially with the nature of his job. He could travel to Idaho, and not be missed, especially if he left the baby in the care of his mommy.

I don’t have a good theory as to the robbery charge, as I haven’t heard anything that gives insight as to that possibility.

I’m open to the idea of a financial motivation, but I still think this has to do with child custody.

Totally agree..although I was at work today so I'm trying to catch up.
All I can think of with regard to robbery is another charge to stick him with because he took her phone.
So weird, cuz I'm trying to catch up...but yes if he really wanted that baby, he could have planned and kept his mouth shut. Obviously, he has been keeping quiet since everything happened, so totally possible for him to have been doing so all along.
wow...so creepy and calculating. gross.

 

[MassGuy]

Do you think there is a person in Idaho involved with the cell phone, texts, etc? Do you believe he had a girlfriend? If he did, would that have leaked by now?

I do, on both accounts.

I’m not convinced that any girlfriend was the motive for the murder, or that she had any involvement, but I do think that one exists.

 

[Trudie]

I haven't seen his LE brother making statements or even there to support the mother. If I were that brother, I would be so horrified and disgusted by him. Most siblings that have a deadbeat sibling that mooches off the elderly parents are pretty annoyed by that one sibling.

I’ve never heard a word about his relationship with his siblings. Have you? Or Anyone?

Idk even that he “mooches”. I tend to think Mrs. F preferred him to reside with her.

W/o a doubt he has brought shame to his family. Not to mention embarrassment.

Where is his dad? He must be beyond livid. Frankly, idk how a parent can show support for a child in this predictament. Mine would not. I’d be on my own. There’d be no “unconditional love”.

(Sorry, I can’t read every post, RL intrudes)

 

[girlhasnoname]

Lol. Not for one sec’ do I believe he trashed any items related to K’s disappearance. He knew he was being watched, moo
I think he found it funny that LE had to rummage thru garbage & bet he watched the video on his phone multiple times.
IMO, a complete set up. Especially bringing friends with him.
If he needed to dispose of trash, it’d leave town in a trailer.


JMO

Totally respect your opinion and he'd def be the WORLDS stupidest criminal behind Chris Watts if he did. Both are possible IMO.

 

[NanZDrew]

Does anyone else think it is amazingly weird that he goes into the elevator and puts his face against the wall as though maybe he can melt into the wall in disappear? I understand facing toward the back of the elevator so you don't look at the cameras. But he looks like he is putting his nose in the corner.

 

[MassGuy]

Does anyone else think it is amazingly weird that he goes into the elevator and puts his face against the wall as though maybe he can melt into the wall in disappear? I understand facing toward the back of the elevator so you don't look at the cameras. But he looks like he is putting his nose in the corner.

That may simply be protocol when transporting a prisoner.

 

[Vandalay Industries]

I read many posts about a missing purse. But IIRC, the only thing missing was her phone.

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