CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #20 *ARREST*

[zecats]

Curious one theory maybe during a robbery ...... I don't think it was likely ....... how many robbers who kill while robbing and then would remove the body and then hide it so well????

Maybe I wrong here with my thinking but don't robbers usually go into a place to rob not murder. If they were surprised and it was accidently wouldn't they just run????

Yes I agree. That was brought up earlier by another poster upthread. If was supposed to be staged as a robbery, and had been pulled off that way, I think her body would have been left there to be discovered. Something didn't go as planned? Maybe "robbers" contacted PF to come help clean up whatever was bungled. Then another plan had to be implemented. Cinnamon buns still irrelevant. All speculation, but it's all I have at the moment.

 

[Aydrianna523]

We know that they met online. That has been widely published. This odd obsession that he has some sort of abnormal thing about his mother is a bit over the top.

She moved to Colorado because she was in love. She found her own place to live, got a job, and when she discovered that she was pregnant, she had the child and bought a home. PF's mother, by all accounts, has done nothing more than assist PF with child care.

Maybe not an abnormal thing for his mom, but sometimes they don't detach well as adults. I'll refrain from my little story....

 

[retiredrickyinCO]

The body is missing, but PF has leverage in terms of making a deal to shorten his sentence by revealing the location of the body. Maybe he could get away with a good story and 10 years in exchange for the body and relinquishing custody.

Happy New Year to all Sleuths.
I like most do not believe at all that PF will come clean and reveal where the body is. HOWEVER - if there is so much overwhelming evidence that incriminates him and there is absolutely no way he can deny what he did I think it could be possible then that he would open up with the location of KB in exchange for something. However I think IF this were even a possibility there would have to be a mountain of evidence and they could already have that, we don't know. But I seriously doubt they would plea bargain down to 10 years I don't care what he tells them. The people will not accept him out walking the street when he is still in his 40s having served his time. They just won't. This is a tight knit community and people talk as well as vote. Most will agree you can't take the life of a successful woman and mother of a 15 month old child and expect to see freedom for a very long time. This is just a very heartbreaking case and the people just won't accept that. I know they have no control over what is plea bargained for but like I said they do vote and do remember.
Again, the only way,I believe, for him to reveal her location is if they have a ton of evidence then he still might not. And if they have that much they might not be real receptive to plea bargaining unless they really want the body for family closure. I don't know but am guessing when they do plea bargain they do run it by the victim's family - is that correct? But no, I don't see him out in 10, 20 or possibly even 30 years just due to the crime. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes, from what I remember they required burn permits as well. I came from an area where you could burn at will, but we got shut down while having a bonfire on someone's private property. The fire dept was there within minutes and they told us that we needed a fire permit in order to have any fires, even a small pit fire. Again, this was decades ago, but I'm assuming not much has changed.

From what I read open fires are allowed, such as camp fires and barbecue pits, as long as they are away from structures which can catch on fire.
It's the same where I live. We have a big fire pit and make fires all the time. We always have a package of hot dogs lying around, in case Public Safety comes around. So far they never have.

 

[24Brix]

Just a thought, MOO...

Charge #3 of murder during the commission of a robbery doesn’t really jive with other actions taken by somebody — the week off from work text, the cell phone ping, and the claim by PF that she said she was going to see an ailing relative. It was never meant to look like a crime scene, it was meant to look like she left. So, IMO, whatever constitutes the basis of LE’s robbery charge was the forceful taking from her of something no one was ever supposed to find out about. So what could that be?

And note the difference between a charge of robbery, “forcefully taking something of value from the person or presence of someone by threat or intimidation”, and aggravated robbery (not charged) which includes, among other things, simply being armed with a deadly weapon and displaying the intent to use it, even if they don’t.

I think that charge may allude to the likely manner of her death. I.e., not caused with a deadly weapon.

Again, MOO...

 

[Ultra Violet]

I’m in a different county than Teller, but our county sherriff’s office (and my town) post fire restriction notices on both Twitter and FB.

Don’t have time to search or scroll down to November to share specific links but you could try these two links for Teller County fire restriction status and a history of the dates they started and ended.

Teller Co Sheriff (@SheriffTeller) on Twitter

Teller County Sheriff's Office

 

[enelram]

I’m in a different county than Teller, but our county sherriff’s office (and my town) post fire restriction notices on both Twitter and FB.

Don’t have time to search or scroll down to November to share specific links but you could try these two links for Teller County fire restriction status and a history of the dates they started and ended.

Teller Co Sheriff (@SheriffTeller) on Twitter

Teller County Sheriff's Office

maybe you missed my post on page 34 on Florrisant fire District
FB- from TCSO (Teller Co. Sheriff Office) on Nov. 24, 2018
Burn ban in effect-

 

[tictoc]

This is the first I'm reading that the relationship ended one year ago (according to PF as told to an acquaintance). And a tad more insight into how PF was perceived...
Murder charges filed against man in case of missing Colorado mom - CNN
(Sorry if already posted)

 

[enelram]

Found this: Florrisant Fire Protection District (facebook)
Nov. 24, 2018
TCSO- Due to high winds burn restrictions are in effect until further notice. No open burning.

FOR OTTO!!!!!

 

[ilovechili]

My first post on this thread/case so forgive me if discussed already. If he has the child and she had any life insurance or a 401 or retirement, etc. or even savings, it would go to her daughter who he would then be guardian of. The home would as well. And the vehicles. Unless she had her mother or brother down as a beneficiary or a will stating otherwise and she was pretty young (very likely she had no will) and they were planning on getting married.... She was able to buy a home it looks as though she was a grown up and worked hard and did things right in her life unlike the momma's boy (no offense to the mother, meant towards the son) who still lived at home....

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Lol. Not for one sec’ do I believe he trashed any items related to K’s disappearance. He knew he was being watched, moo
I think he found it funny that LE had to rummage thru garbage & bet he watched the video on his phone multiple times.
IMO, a complete set up. Especially bringing friends with him.
If he needed to dispose of trash, it’d leave town in a trailer.


JMO

Generally I would expect the accumulating trash over a period of weeks or even months to be placed on/in the trailer over time, as it accumulated, and then when the trailer is full or the schedule permits, a dump run is made. Regardless of whether anything damning was added to the trash, no doubt that the bulk of what was offloaded was innocuous trash, and I could definitely see him having a chuckle over LE having to paw through all his steak gristle and stinky dog food cans, etc.

The charge is that she was murdered during a robbery. The only things that are missing are Kelsey, her purse, and her phone (per her brother). This robbery charge seems like a back-up plan. If the first degree murder charged doesn't stick, but it can be proven that he moved her phone, then this charge covers death during the theft of the phone.

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Someone else posted this earlier today :

A robbery did not have to be completed. Attempted robbery fits the felony murder definition too. While her purse and phone were/are missing, I don't think it's a given that they are what the robbery refers to. Remember, as @riolove77 pointed out, KB had to be aware of what was being taken in order for it to be robbery. So simply taking something after she was killed does not qualify.

I have wondered this myself. In watching many murder mysteries, and seeing how this was planned, I see three methods killers have used before, assuming he did not just carry the body from Kelsey's house to his pickup. (1) a large suitcase, (2) large plastic tub with a lid, (3) Robert Evans/Terry Rasmussen, used a 55 gallon empty barrel. Or, he could have used something else.

A wheeled trash can perhaps? That's something that no one would blink an eye at if they saw him loading into a truck. And it would ostensibly protect the truck from having direct contact with evidence...

Also, a thought about what might have been found at her home that caused them to conclude she was killed there -- I lean away from blood spatter because it seems unlikely it would have been overlooked during the first search. But in a situation of strangulation or asphyxiation, what if she (sorry, graphic) scraped her nails against the drywall as she tried to fight? If the paint was white, a few small scrapes on a wall wouldn't be very visible when the home was checked...

But then, what could they have found either at his place or at WM that told them to return and where to look? I didn't like the idea he dumped paint cans when first suggested, but am re-thinking that. It could have been just a few square feet that needed repainting, so no big odor concern. Hmm, maybe it was a little paint brush that was tossed, not a can. Or just a piece of sandpaper from trying to match the texturing.

Or maybe it was a vacuum bag or sweepings that he dumped, that included little curlings of paint scraped from the wall and fallen from her fingers... Could he have thought it was too small to be noticed?

 

[Aydrianna523]

Happy First Day of 2019 everyone!!!!

Lots of good discussion overnight from our great members.

Just pondering- PF, being a confident, free-wheelin', single
guy probably had it easy meeting females. No problem
finding young women willing to romp in the hay with him.

My guess is he had/has many shallow, sexual encounters
and not all those females are totally out of his life.
Booty Calls, if you will. Guys like him have a few at all times.

Just wondering if one of these past booty calls helped him out
with KB's phone and/or solicitation. Food for thought.

Also, if he's cheating, Kelsey could have gotten an STD. (Seems to happen enough). Maybe a wakeup call for her to leave him. Or is this too speculative?

 

[otto]

Found this: Florrisant Fire Protection District (facebook)
Nov. 24, 2018
TCSO- Due to high winds burn restrictions are in effect until further notice. No open burning.

I doubt that PF would attempt to destroy a body using an open burn fire pit. A burn barrel with a cover would still be an option.

Regardless, there are so many possibilities for what PF did with Kelsey's body that the best hope of finding her is with the accomplices.

 

[Seattle1]

That explains what it is, not that it was in place in November.

Teller County Office of Emergency Management
Seeking lifted and/or No "burn ban" specific to Thanksgiving is futile effort (especially given the wind known to area during winter months). Burn bans are the norm in the county, and are pretty much in effect unless lifted by resolution approved by the Teller County Board of County Commissioners. I see no evidence of ban lifted since August 2018 following recent rain storms, and it didn't last long.
Burn restrictions lifted in Teller County

Found this: Florrisant Fire Protection District (facebook)
Nov. 24, 2018
TCSO- Due to high winds burn restrictions are in effect until further notice. No open burning.

Thank you @enelram for fb reference. The Florrisant Volunteer Fire Dept website posted the same but their website is not deemed safe to link here.

Fyi @otto

 

[tarheellvr]

Happy New Year to all of you. Today I saddened thinking of all the Mama's whose lives were taken from them by husbands/significant others........Michelle, Nancy, Janet, Shanann, and now Kelsey to name a few, along with unborn lives, lives of innocent children, and the precious children left forever without their Mamas. My wish for all these who have slaughtered women and children is extreme suffering in 2019.....they all deserve nothing less!

 

[Ccging]

This is the first I'm reading that the relationship ended one year ago (according to PF as told to an acquaintance). And a tad more insight into how PF was perceived...
Murder charges filed against man in case of missing Colorado mom - CNN
(Sorry if already posted)

First time I’ve heard that also.

And interesting about he was concerned what would happen to baby if he was arrested, two days before he was arrested...why be concerned if you are innocent? Hmmm...

 

[vaporlass]

Killers have wild animal tendencies, as seen in wolves, lions and other predators. For those claiming PF was quiet, gentle ...Until a beast shows his teeth, he can appear cuddly and even gentle.
The beast (PF) views everything and everyone as “HIS” - it’s not about loving their children, it’s about claiming what they consider to be “theirs.” They abuse other animals just as wild animals in nature ferociously claim their ‘alpha’ status.
They have no qualms about abusing those who would try to take what is “theirs” and like a wild beast, they are willing to kill to maintain their kingdom as is and of course, their ‘alpha’ status.
KB’s higher pay wasn’t an issue, her success wasn’t threatening - it was her challenge to his ‘alpha’ status - her threat/intent to remove his “property” - their daughter from his power.
He reacted like the beast that he is...
This is the “Mark of the Beast,” it’s not a number, it’s a way of living.
You can see PF’s arrogance even while walking in leg irons. He’s still leading, he’s still convinced he had the right to do what he did as the “alpha” beast.
Prepare yourselves - he is going to try to tear apart and shred KB (character) like all beasts are prone to do. MOO.

 

[distracted]

Just a thought, MOO...

Charge #3 of murder during the commission of a robbery doesn’t really jive with other actions taken by somebody — the week off from work text, the cell phone ping, and the claim by PF that she said she was going to see an ailing relative. It was never meant to look like a crime scene, it was meant to look like she left. So, IMO, whatever constitutes the basis of LE’s robbery charge was the forceful taking from her of something no one was ever supposed to find out about. So what could that be?

And note the difference between a charge of robbery, “forcefully taking something of value from the person or presence of someone by threat or intimidation”, and aggravated robbery (not charged) which includes, among other things, simply being armed with a deadly weapon and displaying the intent to use it, even if they don’t.

I think that charge may allude to the likely manner of her death. I.e., not caused with a deadly weapon.

Again, MOO...

Her engagement ring perhaps?

 

[Seattle1]

Jodee Garreston, Berreth's cousin, said the pair met online two years ago when Berreth lived in Warden, Washington. Within months, Berreth moved to Colorado to be with Frazee, said Garreston, who never met Frazee.
Frazee has a business shoeing horses in Teller County. Several of Frazee's friends and clients told CNN that he was well known and liked in the community and was a good father to daughter Kaylee.
Two friends said Frazee told them that the relationship with Berreth ended months ago -- claims that contradict statements from Berreth's aunt, who wrote on Facebook that Berreth broke up with Frazee the same day she went missing.
"I still refuse to believe that he's done this until I see the evidence," said Tamra Freeman, whose granddaughter played with Frazee's daughter.
Freeman said that Frazee told her the relationship with Berreth ended on New Year's Day 2018, and the only contact they had was related to their daughter. Berreth's mother has not responded to CNN's requests for comment.
BBM
Murder charges filed against man in case of missing Colorado mom - CNN

Heartbreaking to think what KB endured with this man. MOO

 

[justpeachy22]

Maybe there were several remote places he could have done something like that without being noticed. I don't think it's impossible. We don't know what kind of connections he may have had. There have been other cases where killers have burned bodies and no-one noticed the smoke. Even dumb teenagers. Imo

Reminds me of that talk (here?) of an Idaho incinerator at a beef processing plant. I tend to disagree with that theory altogether.