CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #21 *ARREST*

[PrairieWind]

I’m wondering IF that isn’t why he sent or had someone send that text to her work??? Not showing up could have terminated employment and possibly her life insurance policy. I really think that might have been the stupidest thing he did - and it’s why I thought he did it when I heard about that text to her employer - strangers who kill don’t text your boss
That text to employer didn’t buy him time - did it? Would her employer have reported her missing if she didn’t show up to work or called her parents?

I think it did buy him time. Certainly if KB didn't show up to work with no explanation, I think they would have started looking for her. I am sure they have some sort of emergency contact information for her in their employee file.

 

[PrairieWind]

I don’t think he could necessarily spend insurance proceeds left to a minor child, could he?
Good question for an attorney. In my state, he could not.

If the child is the beneficiary of the policy, that money would go into a trust. PF could have been the trustee. Money then could be spent for the benefit of the child. But, certainly some inscrutable trustees do in fact occasionally help themselves. Just depends on how closely the trust is monitored by a court or others. However, if PF was the beneficiary, then of course the money would be his free and clear (assuming the insurance company would pay it.)

 

[Mom24]

I wonder how many other women Frazee met through online dating sites.

 

[Mom24]

If the child is the beneficiary of the policy, that money would go into a trust. PF could have been the trustee. Money then could be spent for the benefit of the child. But, certainly some inscrutable trustees do in fact occasionally help themselves. Just depends on how closely the trust is monitored by a court or others. However, if PF was the beneficiary, then of course the money would be his free and clear (assuming the insurance company would pay it.)

Money might be the motive and it might be a lot simpler. He meets women on these online dating sites, he moves them down to where he is, they live with him for a while. He strings them along, they help him out financially, then when they realize it's not going anywhere they leave and he moves on to the next woman. Kind of like a revolving sugar mama. I'd wonder how much Kelsey helped him out financially and maybe he had her killed because she wouldn't leave like the others before her did.

 

[Aydrianna523]

How would I find PF's YouTube videos about farrier/shoeing horses/donkeys? Nothing comes up.

 

[KBB87]

I’m wondering IF that isn’t why he sent or had someone send that text to her work??? Not showing up could have terminated employment and possibly her life insurance policy. I really think that might have been the stupidest thing he did - and it’s why I thought he did it when I heard about that text to her employer - strangers who kill don’t text your boss
That text to employer didn’t buy him time - did it? Would her employer have reported her missing if she didn’t show up to work or called her parents?

I don’t think life insurance was a motive at all. He’d had to have waited several years of her missing for her to be declared dead, I’ve heard 5 years and 7 years, not sure which.

I think it’s possible the people who knew her best in the area, aside from him, were her co-workers, boss, etc., so they probably would have been the ones to sound the alarm when she suddenly didn’t show up for work.

The texts were either to buy him time or to set up some kind of story, either “she ran off” or “she went to visit family and disappeared.” I’m not sure which he was going for, the latter makes more sense but there seem to be people close to him pushing the former.

 

[katydid23]

She likely thinks that is the right thing, since she was one of the main caretakers. Now PF has taken all three away.
I'm hoping Kelsey's family will be given custody but I can't imagine she won't get some kind of visitation time. Whatever they decide, I bet she will keep up the fight for as long as she can. Imo

But she is going about this all wrong, in my opinion, if she wants future visitation.

I don't think it is a 'given' that she will be granted court ordered visitation.Grandparents are not always given that right. If the B family is awarded custody, they will likely move back up North, and will be under no obligation to make the baby available to Grandma F.

If this turns into an ugly court battle, in which Grandma F and PF testify negatively about KB and her family, to justify their objections to the new custody arrangement, it will shut down any future cooperative, shared visitations.


I think it would have been much better if Gma F had sent a family attorney to contact the B family attorney, and apologize profusely for this horrendous situation, and ask for mercy and the possibility that IN THE FUTURE she would be able to have some visitation opportunities. If the door is slightly open then she could build on it.

But I am afraid that the F Family is going to bash KB and her family in order to gain something in this court custody battle.

 

[MassGuy]

The key to understanding what occurred, is that damn text message to PF’s phone.

We already know that the text sent to Doss, was likely to buy time.

My guess that the text to PF’s phone, indicated that Kelsey “needed time to clear her head.”

It would explain PF not reporting her missing, and would set the stage for the possibility that she left on her own.

That’s my best guess anyways.

 

[Kapua]

According to a friend of his whose granddaughter had play dates with K. I’m not sure how to post links, but this is from the CNN article:

“Two friends said Frazee told them that the relationship with Berreth ended months ago -- claims that contradict statements from Berreth's aunt, who wrote on Facebook that Berreth broke up with Frazee the same day she went missing.​

"I still refuse to believe that he's done this until I see the evidence," said Tamra Freeman, whose granddaughter played with Frazee's daughter.​

Freeman said that Frazee told her the relationship with Berreth ended on New Year's Day 2018, and the only contact they had was related to their daughter. Berreth's mother has not responded to CNN's requests for comment.​

Frazee was at Freeman's home two days before his arrest, she said. She recalls him being concerned about what would happen to Kaylee if he was arrested, she said. Freeman said Frazee told her he felt "railroaded" by police, who he claimed seemed to be focused only on him.”​

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/31/us/colorado-man-charged/index.html?r=https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/co-kelsey-berreth-29-woodland-park-teller-county-22-nov-2018-21-arrest.408839/page-9

Edited for formatting, still not sure how to insert links properly but hopefully that works?

Thanks! Well, that is quite the contradiction, isn't it? (Assuming these reports are true.) He thinks he's so clever and so tight-lipped, and he's already been charged with soliciting for murder and caught in lies he told to others.

 

[KBB87]

How would I find PF's YouTube videos about farrier/shoeing horses/donkeys? Nothing comes up.

Are we allowed to post the link? Patrick Frazee

 

[Nudgee]

Sure. A defense attorney would want to start working the case as soon as he is hired. I like to talk to every witness I can find a soon as possible. But arraignment is when the official clock starts ticking on "speedy trial" requirements. So the prosecutor probably wants to push that out as far as possible while LE tries to find the body and other evidence. Defense MAY want to get it as soon as possible to force the DA to start turning over evidence and perhaps even limit the amount of evidence collected. Quite often, Defendants will waive their right to speedy trial to give their own attorney more time to prepare. But this could be a case where the defense may not want to do that.

My hat goes off to Public Defenders (not high profile defense attorneys who go get into it for fame & $$) but someone like Adam S in this case, and CW’s Public Defenders. I feel like they are assigned cases and are always behind the eight ball in getting information. I personally applaud all attorneys that have the brilliance to understand our US justice system, it mind boggles me! Public Defenders have no choice, whether they feel a client is guilt or not, they have to power on. And their lives change!

 

[MsBetsy]

Money might be the motive and it might be a lot simpler. He meets women on these christian dating sites, he moves them down to where he is, they live with him for a while. He strings them along, they help him out financially, then when they realize it's not going anywhere they leave and he moves on to the next woman. Kind of like a revolving sugar mama. I'd wonder how much Kelsey helped him out financially and maybe he had her killed because she wouldn't leave like the others before her did.

Was it confirmed that they met on a Christian dating site? PF just doesn't srike me as being very religious.

 

[Trudie]

I think it did buy him time. Certainly if KB didn't show up to work with no explanation, I think they would have started looking for her. I am sure they have some sort of emergency contact information for her in their employee file.

That’s what I would think, maybe a co-worker or someone would have contacted LE or even performed a welfare check, on their own.

 

[MassGuy]

Was it confirmed that they met on a Christian dating site? PF just doesn't srike me as being very religious.

No. As far as we know, they met on an unnamed dating site.

I’ve always imagined that it was something like “Farmer’s Only,” probably because the only think I hate more than those horrible commercials, is PF.

If it was a Christian dating site, then she really had the wool pulled over her eyes.

 

[KBB87]

Was it confirmed that they met on a Christian dating site? PF just doesn't srike me as being very religious.

AFAIK that was merely a guess some made. Others guessed Farmers Only lol. All we know is that they met online, unless I’ve missed something.

 

[Inthedetails]

Was it confirmed that they met on a Christian dating site? PF just doesn't srike me as being very religious.

I didn't know it was confirmed they met on a dating site, let alone a Christian one. I know it's been reported they met online, but do we know it was an actual dating site or in some other way online. (Sorry if this has been discussed. I'm doing my best to keep up but I haven't read every post).

jmo

 

[1mtroyal]

Can't be sure, but could it be possible they can't arrest someone involved in this because they haven't located him yet?

If a highway patrolman is patrolling a highway with the speed limit of 60 mph. Most highway patrolmen will wait until someone goes 65 before they will cite anyone. All those going 61-64 are breaking the law but not cited. If a serial killer is arrested and has killed 15, they may only take him to trial for 3 or 4 and not charge him for the others, that would be a lot more work plugging up the courts and you can't punish him any more than a death sentence.

 

[The Night Watchman]

The key to understanding what occurred, is that damn text message to PF’s phone.

We already know that the text sent to Doss, was likely to buy time.

My guess that the text to PF’s phone, indicated that Kelsey “needed time to clear her head.”

It would explain PF not reporting her missing, and would set the stage for the possibility that she left on her own.

That’s my best guess anyways.

Yeah, that text is important.

Did PF write the text word for word? Would he get KBs texting style and grammar correct?

Or did he just tell someone to text him from ID on KBs phone, about her needing to clear her head (or similar)? Did this person butcher KB's grammar and style? Would they even get basic spelling correct, or autocorrect to a wrong word? I'm sure there are words that KB would actually use if this event actually happened. But it would be surprising if PF got it right.

Pretty important text. As is PF's reply or non-reply to it.

 

[Ccging]

The key to understanding what occurred, is that damn text message to PF’s phone.

We already know that the text sent to Doss, was likely to buy time.

My guess that the text to PF’s phone, indicated that Kelsey “needed time to clear her head.”

It would explain PF not reporting her missing, and would set the stage for the possibility that she left on her own.

That’s my best guess anyways.

Agreed! I’m curious if DOSS sent her a response text in the form of a question and then just never got a response back from her.

I’m also dying to know what PF’s response to her text to him was. Probably short and sweet, “ok”. I think they are going to paint the picture that she had taken off before so it was “normal”.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

But she is going about this all wrong, in my opinion, if she wants future visitation.

I don't think it is a 'given' that she will be granted court ordered visitation.Grandparents are not always given that right. If the B family is awarded custody, they will likely move back up North, and will be under no obligation to make the baby available to Grandma F.

If this turns into an ugly court battle, in which Grandma F and PF testify negatively about KB and her family, to justify their objections to the new custody arrangement, it will shut down any future cooperative, shared visitations.


I think it would have been much better if Gma F had sent a family attorney to contact the B family attorney, and apologize profusely for this horrendous situation, and ask for mercy and the possibility that IN THE FUTURE she would be able to have some visitation opportunities. If the door is slightly open then she could build on it.

But I am afraid that the F Family is going to bash KB and her family in order to gain something in this court custody battle.

The F family have done no favors for themselves over how they have handled all of this. Not helping in searching for KB and then SFs handling of the custody situation both paint an interesting picture of who they are. If we give them the benefit of doubt, you could argue that they believed all of the lies PF presumably told them that KB was evil. If we doubt they could be so gullible, it does make you wonder how disfunctional the entire family may be and whether some of PFs character is learned...