CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #21 *ARREST*

[PommyMommy]

And how far apart were their homes?

About 17 miles or 24 minutes.
Google Maps

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

Ahh, okay. Thank you! So right before he was arrested, he was claiming they had broken up in January.

Yep! Not suspicious at ALL, right?

 

[KBB87]

I don’t know about you, but to me, it is a chore to change an address. Too much busy work and hoping all the changes go through correctly.

As a new mother, driving four hours round trip to work daily, juggling daycare for baby K, she or PF passing the post office in the exchange of baby, changing her PO box was probably the least of her worries, IMO.

In Kelsey’s mind there was something still workable in the relationship or she would not have bought the townhouse in May. JMO.

Workable as in their relationship might work out? Or workable as in they could be civil co-parents?

 

[MsBetsy]

A friend of his told the press that he had told her a few days before his arrest that they broke up in January. She is the grandmother of a little girl who played with baby K.

ETA- most play dates for kids this age are more about the parents getting together in my experience for adult time. Babies don’t really play with the other kids at this age- more play next to each other.

Did she buy the townhouse the following May or was it the year before?

 

[The Saint]

Did she buy the townhouse the following May or was it the year before?

May 2018

 

[KBB87]

Did she buy the townhouse the following May or was it the year before?

It was May 2018, IIRC. She had been renting a different unit in the same complex prior to that for a while.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

Deleted- already answered.

 

[MsBetsy]

Workable as in their relationship might work out? Or workable as in they could be civil co-parents?

I think she probably was trying to make it as easy as possible for them to co- parent. She could have bought a home closer to her job but chose to stay closer to him. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

It was May 2018, IIRC. She had been renting a different unit in the same complex prior to that for a while.

Ok, thanks, so it was four months later, I guess.

 

[PommyMommy]

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
Patrick Frazee has a pair of court hearings still this week. Tomorrow, a pre-trial conference regarding custody of the couple’s daughter. Frazee’s mom filed a motion to intervene, requesting custody. A motions hearing in the criminal case is set for Friday. #PatrickFrazee @KOAA

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
It looks like both of those hearings will be open, at least for now. The Court says it’s searching for pool cameras for both days. #PatrickFrazee #KelseyBerreth @KOAA

 

[PommyMommy]

Where is this January 2018 date coming from? Has he claimed they broke up a year ago? I haven’t seen that before this thread today. I must have missed this.

Murder charges filed against man in case of missing Colorado mom - CNN
Two friends said Frazee told them that the relationship with Berreth ended months ago -- claims that contradict statements from Berreth's aunt, who wrote on Facebook that Berreth broke up with Frazee the same day she went missing.

Freeman said that Frazee told her the relationship with Berreth ended on New Year's Day 2018, and the only contact they had was related to their daughter. Berreth's mother has not responded to CNN's requests for comment.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
Patrick Frazee has a pair of court hearings still this week. Tomorrow, a pre-trial conference regarding custody of the couple’s daughter. Frazee’s mom filed a motion to intervene, requesting custody. A motions hearing in the criminal case is set for Friday. #PatrickFrazee @KOAA

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
It looks like both of those hearings will be open, at least for now. The Court says it’s searching for pool cameras for both days. #PatrickFrazee #KelseyBerreth @KOAA

Does this mean he won’t enter his plea until end of January?

 

[MsBetsy]

Yep! Not suspicious at ALL, right?

I'm sure he told a lot of people he broke things off with her, especially if he was trying to hook up with other women. They may have still been in a relationship back then but I still think Kelsey would have been the one to want to break things off. She could not have known him very well when she got pregnant but it would not have taken her long to see him for what he really was.
I wonder how long his past relationships have lasted, we haven't heard from one person who had a serious relationship with him. I'm guessing he had some significant issues with commitments and likely they didn't last long.
He cheated on an ex girlfriend while she was in the hospital. This may have been a pattern for him. Another reason not to stick around. Imo

 

[enelram]

I'm not clear on whether she was a classroom instructor or actually took students up in the planes.

According to her FAA licenses she was not a CFI, Certified Flight
Instructor, therefore she was not licensed to teach others to fly.
She may have been a trainee, while she was studying for her
CFI rating, which could include teaching some ground classes and
basics to students.
Also due to her few years experience in aviation she would still be considered entry level, if going for her CFI rating.
Entry level instructors with CFI rating would probably earn
between 35- 40,000/yr. Entry level pilots do not earn what people
think they earn. It's also based on flying hours/experience.

 

[1mtroyal]

Does this mean he won’t enter his plea until end of January?

He could enter his plea then, but it is not clear if he will know what the evidence is by then. Either side can probably delay, delay, delay. IMO

 

[PommyMommy]

Does this mean he won’t enter his plea until end of January?

That's a preliminary hearing. I think he will enter a plea at arraignment.
Colorado Criminal Procedure in First Degree - Guides - Avvo
MOO

 

[Herat]

According to her FAA licenses she was not a CFI, Certified Flight
Instructor, therefore she was not licensed to teach other to fly.
She may have been a trainee, while she was studying for her
CFI rating, which could include teaching some ground classes and
basics to students.
Also due to her few years experience in aviation she would still be considered entry level, if going for her CFI rating.
Entry level instructors with CFI rating would probably earn
between 35- 40,000/yr. Entry level pilots do not earn what people
think they earn. It's also based on flying hours/experience.

So what would her job be like? 9-5? Work on an hourly wage? Or does she get a schedule that varies?

 

[katydid23]

Ugh...it bothers me that PF's mom is asking for custody right now. Have some compassion, lady.

 

[Inthedetails]

Ugh...it bothers me that PF's mom is asking for custody right now. Have some compassion, lady.

I admit, that's what I've been thinking too. Come on....one kind thing she could do for her granddaughter's mother is not fight this custody thing.

PF made such a mess.

jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

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