CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #21 *ARREST*

[girlhasnoname]

I don’t know about you, but to me, it is a chore to change an address. Too much busy work and hoping all the changes go through correctly.

As a new mother, driving four hours round trip to work daily, juggling daycare for baby K, she or PF passing the post office in the exchange of baby, changing her PO box was probably the least of her worries, IMO.

In Kelsey’s mind there was something still workable in the relationship or she would not have bought the townhouse in May. JMO.

BBM
Oh my, I had no idea she drove that far. I was thinking it was about an hour each way. ITA Kelsey thought they were in a relationship.

 

[susiQ]

I would be interested in hearing from our attorneys here about the lawyer saying "if someone commits a crime, you do not have to arrest them."
Could it be that LE has been speaking to someone who they know is involved without charging them or arresting them? (Yet)

Can't be sure, but could it be possible they can't arrest someone involved in this because they haven't located him yet?

 

[MassGuy]

Can't be sure, but could it be possible they can't arrest someone involved in this because they haven't located him yet?

Not so much that they haven’t located him, but more along the lines that they don’t have a case against him yet.

There is an outside chance that they haven’t identified him yet, but I imagine they have an idea who the players are.

 

[Herat]

Both of these posts bring up valid points about her PO Box. Without talking to someone who knows her personally, how do we know that is the only address she is using to receive mail? Or that she was not having it forwarded to her somewhere more convenient?

I saw someone mention that the PO Box was used on her aviation licence. But isn’t it also possible that she just kept it there to avoid the hassle of changing it or having to disclose her home address for privacy reasons? Many people choose to have business address as something other than their home address. Could she be getting her bills and other personal mail at home or a closer address?

She just moved back in May and had a toddler, it might be easy to leave things the same for now. The forwarding window is six months, but you can always send the forwarding request again if you do not list it as a permanent change.

We have recently moved and are still getting mail at our former residence, our current residence, and our longtime PO Box. So that is three addresses depending on type of mail or who the sender is. It would not be a stretch for Kelsey to also be getting her mail elsewhere, have it forwarded to her, or have another arrangement.

As a single women who has a long day, she would be much more secure having her mail delivered to a PO Box, assuming she is the only one with the key. It’s too easy to have someone stealing your mail from your front door when they know your schedule.

 

[Nudgee]

Not so much that they haven’t located him, but more along the lines that they don’t have a case against him yet.

There is an outside chance that they haven’t identified him yet, but I imagine they have an idea who the players are.

I am totally behind you on this thinking!

 

[Herat]

I agree with Kelsey possibly being the one to want to break things off. Has it been factually verified they were engaged and planning a wedding?

I’m personally not so sure if they were in fact on a romantic relationship in the past few months. KB had a home, career, child.....she certainly seemed to be setting up a life for herself and her daughter. Nothing from what I’ve gathered (although minimal at best) has indicated they shared similar goals or had been making plans for a future together. Growing up on a “ranch” I find it hard to believe he would move into a 700 sf condo, I think for a career mom it was perfect for KB and little K.

Having a child is a transition for any relationship, let alone a new one. To me it seemed as if they were co parenting and trying to establish what worked for them as co parents.

PF certainly has a history of telling untruths....or things to reflect KB in a poor light, she didn’t seem to be close to any of his friends or business associates. The dynamic of their relationship is just strange to me and as harsh as it sounds I don’t think KB served a purpose in PF’s life any longer so he wanted to just get rid of her. Maybe he was resentful of her career and success and didn’t like the role her became in her life? Was he chauvinist at all and felt like it wasn’t his role to care for their child while KB was building her career? I’m not victim shaming at all, my heart breaks for KB and and family.

It’s so difficult for me to wrap my head around how such a beautiful, intelligent and driven young woman could get wrapped up with someone so sinister and dark.

I think her mother knows the answer to some of these questions but has wisely been advised by LE to avoid discussing any conflict and has chosen not to give out any specific personal information she knows about Kelsey’s situation, if not for the sake of the baby and custody, but also so as not to tip off anything about the investigation.

There’s so much missing about Kelsey’s frame of mind and her plans that I think they are being suppressed intentionally.

 

[MsBetsy]

This is a good question and my understanding from prior discussions here was that the birth certificate did not list him as a father (no father listed). There were no rights inferred. Is this right? Not sure how we came to this but the child is KB???

This is the first I've heard about no father being listed. What is the source?

 

[KathrynL]

BBM
Oh my, I had no idea she drove that far. I was thinking it was about an hour each way. ITA Kelsey thought they were in a relationship.

According to Google Maps, it's just over an hour. I-25 can get congested at Colorado Springs and the Pueblo area depending on the time of day.

Google Maps

 

[PrairieWind]

This is a good question and my understanding from prior discussions here was that the birth certificate did not list him as a father (no father listed). There were no rights inferred. Is this right? Not sure how we came to this but the child is KB???

We have of course not seen the birth certificate, but I think it is reasonable to assume PF is listed as the father. Otherwise he would not likely have been allowed to keep the child after KB went missing. Perhaps at the custody hearing tomorrow there will be some mention of him being the father.

 

[PommyMommy]

I don’t know about you, but to me, it is a chore to change an address. Too much busy work and hoping all the changes go through correctly.

As a new mother, driving four hours round trip to work daily, juggling daycare for baby K, she or PF passing the post office in the exchange of baby, changing her PO box was probably the least of her worries, IMO.

In Kelsey’s mind there was something still workable in the relationship or she would not have bought the townhouse in May. JMO.

Where are you getting four hours round trip? I see 1 hour, 8 minutes each way:
Google Maps

Still a good little commute!

 

[MsBetsy]

Can't be sure, but could it be possible they can't arrest someone involved in this because they haven't located him yet?

That could be true. But they must be getting information from somebody. My question is if someone is involved and they are already talking to them is it possible to hold off on arresting them. That's why I asked about the lawyer saying, when someone commits a crime, you don't have to arrest them.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Welcome Eevie.
What a great first post.
I agree, that LE suspected PF, and requested family, not to 'needle' PF.
This was similarly noted with KB's mother's interviews: keeping PF calm.

Yes, can you even begin to imagine how hard it was for CB knowing that baby K was in PF's custody.....the very person suspected of killing her??! I don't know how she was able to do it, but some people have such strength of character and she reminds of those types of people. Like Shanaan Watts and Mollie Tibbetts parents and Hania Aguilars mother. God bless them.

 

[Aydrianna523]

It is just so sad when young women fall in love with guys who end up killing them. They hope for love. They give love They get death instead. It just boggles the mind.

 

[SoVeryMe]

I think her mother knows the answer to some of these questions but has wisely been advised by LE to avoid discussing any conflict and has chosen not to give out any specific personal information she knows about Kelsey’s situation, if not for the sake of the baby and custody, but also so as not to tip off anything about the investigation.

There’s so much missing about Kelsey’s frame of mind and her plans that I think they are being suppressed intentionally.

I completely agree.....I think mom knows more than she can or should reveal. Our actions collectively speak volumes about us as individuals and despite her heartache she has remained a dignified class act.

 

[MsBetsy]

We have of course not seen the birth certificate, but I think it is reasonable to assume PF is listed as the father. Otherwise he would not likely have been allowed to keep the child after KB went missing. Perhaps at the custody hearing tomorrow there will be some mention of him being the father.

Yes, that's what I thought! They would have just removed the child from him and allowed Kelseys mom to spend time with the baby if there was not a legal document with his name on it. Imo

 

[tmar]

I agree with Kelsey possibly being the one to want to break things off. Has it been factually verified they were engaged and planning a wedding?

I’m personally not so sure if they were in fact on a romantic relationship in the past few months. KB had a home, career, child.....she certainly seemed to be setting up a life for herself and her daughter. Nothing from what I’ve gathered (although minimal at best) has indicated they shared similar goals or had been making plans for a future together. Growing up on a “ranch” I find it hard to believe he would move into a 700 sf condo, I think for a career mom it was perfect for KB and little K.

Having a child is a transition for any relationship, let alone a new one. To me it seemed as if they were co parenting and trying to establish what worked for them as co parents.

PF certainly has a history of telling untruths....or things to reflect KB in a poor light, she didn’t seem to be close to any of his friends or business associates. The dynamic of their relationship is just strange to me and as harsh as it sounds I don’t think KB served a purpose in PF’s life any longer so he wanted to just get rid of her. Maybe he was resentful of her career and success and didn’t like the role her became in her life? Was he chauvinist at all and felt like it wasn’t his role to care for their child while KB was building her career? I’m not victim shaming at all, my heart breaks for KB and and family.

It’s so difficult for me to wrap my head around how such a beautiful, intelligent and driven young woman could get wrapped up with someone so sinister and dark.

SoVeryMe.
As in many relationships, the initial newness, excitement, romance kept KB interested.
Being intelligent and driven would not deter KB, in getting to know PF.
With time, Kelsey realized the relationship was not going anywhere.
We don't have photos, or mutual friends that have spoken, shared interests, and perhaps as her pinterest suggest, she made the wrong choice.

PF also now did not want Kelsey in his life.
PF made his plans, and we will now perhaps have a clearer picture, from the DA, once Court proceedings commence.
MOO.

 

[Aydrianna523]

Hmmm. His truck was seen there between 12:30 - 1 p.m. Who really knows how long it was there? Maybe LE from cell info? We know PF ended up with the baby. By all indications from CB, Kelsey was having a day that included her baby (maybe looking for xmas-tree with PF) and possibly some vague plans with PF for dinner. Maybe KB allowed PF to take the baby to look for a tree? Maybe while she was alone, someone came and did the deed. Walked to the house? Did he have a key from PF? Did PF know she was about to head into the shower? He could have then taken baby K to mom's, told her they broke up and she needed some time away and she's leaving the baby with us. Tells mom he's got some errands to run, help out a buddy, whatever. I wonder if anyone saw his truck there in the early evening? Did anyone in the neighbourhood see someone that looked out of place that day? Maybe the deal was, PF had to get rid of the body? Honestly, the possibilities are endless and without some more "crumbs" we are destined to rehash the past threads

Do we know if Kelsey had an attached garage? It seems she would have close neighbors, as well. Do you have any ideas about the perp getting her body into a presumed truck?

 

[Kapua]

I hear ya - and I could see how a break-up would be a drain on him (from his point of view), but I really don't see this guy as thinking all that out. I think he simply was seething against her and wanted her gone because she wouldn't leave. He was sick of her being in his life, period, imo. I honestly don't think more thought was behind the motive than that. I could be wrong, of course!

He did put thought into killing and disposing of her, however, which is heartbreaking. She had no idea what was brewing, imo, but perhaps was confused by him.

jmo

What puzzles me most about this case is that I can't imagine why PF would go to the extreme of murdering KB, much less solicit someone to murder her. AFAIK, no one has stated that they had so much as a loud argument. So what were their issues? I am going to respectfully disagree with "just wanted her gone" as a motive, because I just feel like there has to be something deeper to drive him to that extreme and put his freedom in jeopardy, although one thing these perps have in common is the belief that they are too smart to be caught. I'm thinking that there's another reason - possible financial. Maybe he asked her for a loan and she refused. Maybe he planned to steal her ATM and credit cards, or maybe he fraudulently took out a loan in both of their names without her knowing about it and she found out. I would also suggest that he may have another love interest, but I feel almost certain that the media would have sniffed her out by now if that were the case. IMHO, and I could also be very wrong.

 

[Ultra Violet]

As a single women who has a long day, she would be much more secure having her mail delivered to a PO Box, assuming she is the only one with the key. It’s too easy to have someone stealing your mail from your front door when they know your schedule.

I don’t know if her neighborhood has them, but we get mail our in a cluster of mailboxes. There are two clusters for our sub-division. We have keys to access our mailbox and packages go in larger locker boxes that we access when a key is placed in our mailbox by the carrier.

It is reasonably secure, but we often get neighbor’s mail and vice versa. So it depends on how accurate the sorter is in the morning and how well the carrier places the mail in the boxes. Inconsistent mail delivery at her place (she rented nearby before) could be another reason she has her pilot’s licnse registered at a PO Box.

 

[tmar]

How about the many hunting cabins in the area? I haven't
seen where PF was a hunter but maybe he did long trail rides
up in the mountains.
I have a feeling he's a good backwoodsman, having lived there
most of his life.
I still wonder if he didn't dig a grave hole back in the fall when
the ground was soft and all he had to do was deliver the body
and cover it up. He may have even had the big rocks ready
to put on top.

I agree, that PF may have had the site ready and prepared beforehand.
He had his plans for months, and now just needed to cover the body.
He wouldn't be missed, as this wouldn't require a great deal of time.
Then carry on, with his usual commitments.
MOO.