CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #22 *ARREST*

[Trudie]

Sputter. Trying to figure out how to get the sensitive evidence from Idaho to Colorado?? Gobsmacked. I hope this is just poor journalism. Maybe Opie could just ride his bike down there and deliver it?

Or pony express.

 

[GordianKnot]

Sputter. Trying to figure out how to get the sensitive evidence from Idaho to Colorado?? Gobsmacked. I hope this is just poor journalism. Maybe Opie could just ride his bike down there and deliver it?

Alternatively, courier pigeons would also be a cost-effective, eco-friendly delivery method.

 

[Trudie]

I love my grand baby with all my heart. But if my son was arrested for plotting the death of my lovely daughter-in-law, I would be so devastated for her family. And if he had killed her, there is no way that I would block them from taking initial custody of the grandchild.

It would be shameful, and somewhat heartless, in my opinion, given the violence and brutality that my son had wrought upon their family. God Forbid.

Especially if the son carried out the killing so he could have custody. That would make it a heartless act for the killer's family to continue to fight for custody in court. It's like they are affirming his actions.

IMO, in a lot of these cases, the mom NEVER believes her son is guilty. They only know their son as a “good boy”.
MOO

Ps: it would be hard to digest, would it not? I think I would curl up & die.

 

[gngr~snap]

My son's baby is due this month. Even if they didn't live together, if I hadn't heard from her personally (her voice) wanting to put the phone up to her baby to talk to him, I'd start to question things.
I don't understand why SF wasn't the first to sound the alarm by Wednesday at the absolute latest. I'd expect to text and speak with her at least every other day.
Not all men are dingbats with kids, but in my family circle, the women are the ones in contact with each other. The men can't even get a message correct half the time.
Which reminds me! I'll get to see my grandson's last sonogram tomorrow!!! He's due the 28th!!!
SF doesn't seem that involved, maybe she was.
Moo

 

[scdiv]

Total speculation, but I think the texts were manually typed and sent by the person in Idaho, rather than scheduled to be sent at a specified time. Even if I was not trying to cover up a murder and just needed to send a very, very important message to my boss, I would be completely freaked out about scheduling it and then not having the phone in my possession to see if it sent. Or most important, not being able to see what the response to my text said. Obviously PF would be getting the message to himself to know if it worked. But if it didn't send for some reason, then would he do? Jmo, but I think a person was texting from Kelsey's phone. I also think that person scanned what other messages were received and maybe the knowledge gained from reading those texts helped ward off any growing concern about where Kelsey may be. Where damage control or deflection to any worried friends or family had to be made. (Just my own random thoughts.)

From the police chief's last press conference, it sounds like they must have a lot of phone data from various people to piece an electronic trail together.

 

[Noharg]

Yes, the child still would have been taken into protective custody. She was taken into protective custody because her mother was dead and her father was arrested.

Out of curiosity (sorry if this has already been discussed), was the baby in SF or PF’s vehicle at the time of PF’s arrest? When and where was the baby actually taken into protective custody? Was she at the house being cared for by someone else and mom and sonny were headed to gate to meet LE? I know this is not that important to case, but I just wondered if PF was given a heads-up. Sorry to reach back.

 

[katydid23]

I’m going to say something really unpopular with regards to custody of the baby. Provided that KB’s parents are an appropriate home (and all indications appear that they are an excellent home) I believe they should get full custody. However, IF (and only if) the Frazee family members had nothing to do with the crime that ended KB’s life, I do believe that they should have visitation rights with the baby. Obviously the long distance will be an issue, and there’s will always be the pain of the tragedy of the crime, but to deprive a child of an entire group of people who love her, and vice versa is a different kind of crime. I hope time, faith and grace will peace to these heartbroken families.

I don't think the courts should force the B family to give the F's visitation. I think that someone in the F family, who is gracious and sensitive, should reach out through a family law attorney and find a way to open that door.

But if the F family goes into court and accuses KB of being an inattentive, neglectful mother, who cared about her career more than her child, and who probably ran off, voluntarily. .......then they should not be given visitation unless they can learn to have a heart.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

They specified robbery...did they not?

ahh ok, thanks, I'm still reading up in the thread, missed such an important piece of information.
Hmm, that's even more bizarre, I can imagine a scene set to look like a robbery after a murder is committed but one theory LE have that KB died while a robbery took place, adds another level of mystery.

 

[Esma]

In his arrest video- I recall that hummer speeding past them up the driveway towards the house, I had wondered if that was the unit going to collect the baby- prepared for any backlash from family at the house. I couldn't see if the baby was in the truck with PF and SF, it's possible the baby was at the house with the Aunt.

 

[Mom24]

Out of curiosity (sorry if this has already been discussed), was the baby in SF or PF’s vehicle at the time of PF’s arrest? When and where was the baby actually taken into protective custody? Was she at the house being cared for by someone else and mom and sonny were headed to gate to meet LE? I know this is not that important to case, but I just wondered if PF was given a heads-up. Sorry to reach back.

I don't know. The video that day only showed SF standing outside a vehicle, back to the camera, in cuffs. And another officer standing beside PF also in cuffs. It was too far away to see if there was anyone else there or if the baby was there. My assumption was that the baby wasn't there because it was so cold and the doors of the vehicles were open, but I could be wrong.

 

[PrairieWind]

JMO
The only problem with that theory is I think there would have had to be pings all along the route in the vehicle because a cell phone will pickup new towers along the way and establish communication with different towers and more pings along the route. We have not heard about any pings along the route and only heard about the ping in Idaho which was first described by LE as maybe even a "false ping" which implied there were not pings along the route.

So all that implies she had to turn on the phone herself when she got there. I dont think PF would rely on her randomly finding the phone to turn it on if he wanted to be sure the texts were sent.

That’s actually a good point. The fact that at one point very early, LE speculated it could have been a “false ping” would indicate that it had NOT pinged along the way up there.

 

[Trudie]

Total speculation, but I think the texts were manually typed and sent by the person in Idaho, rather than scheduled to be sent at a specified time. Even if was not trying to cover up a murder and just needed to send a very, very important message to my boss, I would be completely freaked out about scheduling it and then not having the phone in my possession to see if it sent. Or most important, not being able to see what the response to my text said. Obviously PF would be getting the message to himself to know if it worked. But if it didn't send for some reason, then would he do? Jmo, but I think a person was texting from Kelsey's phone. I also think that person scanned what other messages were received and maybe the knowledge gained from reading those texts helped ward off any growing concern about where Kelsey may be. Where damage control or deflection to any worried friends or family had to be made. (Just my own random thoughts.)

From the police chief's last press conference, it sounds like they must have a lot of phone data from various people to piece an electronic trail together.

When will criminals figure out we have cameras in the most obscure places & using a phone in the commission of a crime is not really the best idea?

 

[SoVeryMe]

I honestly don't believe that she contacted LE on her own. I believe she was sweating bullets until she heard LE say that it might be a "false ping". She let her guard down, perhaps brought up seeing PF and his or her families during Thanksgiving. Some coworkers or friends put two and two together and called LE, hence, the warrants.

I agree. I think there is more to her part in all of this. MOO

 

[KSinMT]

I am trying to give her the benefit of the doubt as well, but I can't think of a scenario where disposing of someone else's phone is a reasonable thing to do.

Me neither.. I've been trying to think of reasons he could have told her for taking a phone back to another state and "disposing" of it, even if he didn't tell her who it belonged to. I can't come up with anything that wouldn't raise flags in any person's mind.

 

[scdiv]

Wait, what?

Trying to return? Working to determine whether mail or courier? In a murder investigation? In 2019?

Probably just poor journalism. But. Wow.

Thanks for posting this article, PomMom!

Holy crap, if the evidence is that sensitive, one would think that CO LE might get approval to either fly or drive out to ID to take physical custody of whatever it is...please, please tell me they aren't really debating the relative merits of shipping FedEx vs USPS.

You have GOT to be kidding me. Back in my previous career, my work once sent me on a (commercial) airplane to deliver a stupid useless binder for a presentation because they didn't want to risk shipping it and fly home that same day. Like nothing in the history of the world that even really mattered. I don't even think they used it. Pretty sure it's been sitting in some storage unit basement ever since. There has got to be a professional way to transport evidence in a murder case!

 

[gngr~snap]

Total speculation, but I think the texts were manually typed and sent by the person in Idaho, rather than scheduled to be sent at a specified time. Even if was not trying to cover up a murder and just needed to send a very, very important message to my boss, I would be completely freaked out about scheduling it and then not having the phone in my possession to see if it sent. Or most important, not being able to see what the response to my text said. Obviously PF would be getting the message to himself to know if it worked. But if it didn't send for some reason, then would he do? Jmo, but I think a person was texting from Kelsey's phone. I also think that person scanned what other messages were received and maybe the knowledge gained from reading those texts helped ward off any growing concern about where Kelsey may be. Where damage control or deflection to any worried friends or family had to be made. (Just my own random thoughts.)

From the police chief's last press conference, it sounds like they must have a lot of phone data from various people to piece an electronic trail together.

He would know because he also got the text, as if he didn't already know...
He knew her job got it too, because he got his.
IMO

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo all evidence is sensitive...
Media in this case has been awful...as usual. Jmo

 

[Detective Cup]

I have been thinking about the timing of the PF’s first solicitation; which was in September. Does anyone think PF heard about the CW case (which occurred in August) and that is what triggered his plan to murder KB? Maybe PF heard about CW killing his wife/kids and thought “hmmmm.....that sounds like a great idea. I won’t kill the baby, but my life would be easier if KB was gone.” That is when PF started his planning/soliciting and it took him a few months to learn from all CW’s mistakes. This is obviously all just speculation on my part, but the timing of CW (August) and the timing of the first solicitation (September) just seems real coincidental to me. I would be real interested to see if LE find any digital evidence of PF sleuthing CW. IMO

 

[jewelsmac]

My goodness. Heck I will volunteer to go get it for them.

Road trip, I'm in. Unbelievable. Has to be just poor wording in the report, right?

 

[cluciano63]

I have to give PF’s mother the benefit of the doubt for now.
PF may have been telling he that he spoke with Kelsey every day while they had the baby and Kelsey was “on her trip.” She may not have usually spoken with Kelsey herself often so she might not have found it odd.