CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #24 *ARREST*

[zecats]

It's really really unlikely. It's very hard to get any drugs like that. Many people think hospitals are like the old days when staff could walk through the pharmaceutical area and get things. It's much more difficult these days. It does happen with things like demerol and pre-op drugs, but usually in places like wards where they do cardiac caths not in the ward KK worked in. Typically when people steal those meds they do so by drawing off the drug and then replacing it with water. So you'd have to have the ability to be alone in an area with no chance someone could walk through. Surgical wards are wide open, lots of staff walking through, families are sometimes present and the pre-op meds are sometimes handled by the anesthesiologist (I'm not sure how it works where KK works). Drugs are also locked up, even waste has to be witnessed by someone else and recorded. I'd really be surprised if she were able to attain something like that through her job.

I'm hoping you're correct. But FYI, this link reports that KKL worked in Pre-Op

PICTURED: Female nurse, 32, 'who assisted killer fiance Patrick Frazee' | Daily Mail Online

"Works as a pre-op nurse at the ST Luke's Magic Valley Medical Center in Twin Falls."

 

[MsBetsy]

They do take chunks of wall board, particularly when they are looking for splatter pattern and want to renact. Angles of pictures etc aren't accurate enough and can be questioned as to the realisticness. Pictures aren't enough for evidence, they want the real thing. Also if they want to take a closer look for small amounts of matter, and dna.

That makes sense. If it had been cleaned up really well, there may just be tiny spots spread throughout a large area. Imo

 

[enelram]

Not sure about Co. law, but there are statues of limitation
on these suits and the clock may start ticking, according to what I've read, at the time of death. If the child is a party to
the suit, I believe some states say the SOL is when she turns
18. For some states it's one year from her death.
Maybe one of our atty's can chime in?

I am not a lawyer, just what I've read.

 

[BingoBongo]

His practice is based in Colorado Springs. However, he does claim to have represented high profile celebrities...
Perry R. Sanders Jr. | Founding Partner | Sanders Law Firm, CO

Same atty.

Meet the Colorado Lawyer Working On Michael Jackson's Estate | 5280

 

[BelleinDixie]

It's really really unlikely. It's very hard to get any drugs like that. Many people think hospitals are like the old days when staff could walk through the pharmaceutical area and get things. It's much more difficult these days. It does happen with things like demerol and pre-op drugs, but usually in places like wards where they do cardiac caths not in the ward KK worked in. Typically when people steal those meds they do so by drawing off the drug and then replacing it with water. So you'd have to have the ability to be alone in an area with no chance someone could walk through. Surgical wards are wide open, lots of staff walking through, families are sometimes present and the pre-op meds are sometimes handled by the anesthesiologist (I'm not sure how it works where KK works). Drugs are also locked up, even waste has to be witnessed by someone else and recorded. I'd really be surprised if she were able to attain something like that through her job.

PF certainly had access to animal tranquilizers, so the nurse didn't really have to supply him with anything. Give her the shot and push her over the balcony. IMHO.

 

[BelleinDixie]

HA! I just answered for us both (I hope you don't mind!), that we were thinking veterinary medicine and not tying IN into this at all.

Me three.

 

[enelram]

Statue of limitation in Colorado for Wrongful Death- 2 years

Wrongful Death Lawsuits in Colorado

 

[Mom24]

That makes sense. If it had been cleaned up really well, there may be tiny spots spread throughout a large area. Imo

Not only that, but we found that even after several coats of paint, the blood will still show up. Amazing really. It's not as easily cleanable as some would think. Makes sense, it's a protein and it becomes embedded.

 

[Charlot123]

Succi

Berreth’s parents file wrongful death suit against fiancé


The wrongful death suit makes me think of succinylcholine that immobilizes an animal or person to a point where they know everything that’s going on but can’t react, respond or move to protect themselves in any way. If he had access to veterinary drugs or sources that could supply him with such....then I’m completely shattered for KBs family. Utterly.


“Succinylcholine is safely used each day during surgical procedures to paralyze patients. This drug causes total muscle relaxation. Unfortunately, when insufficient doses of sedatives are used, paralyzing agents like succinylcholine are also the drugs responsible for anesthesia awareness.

But exposure to succinylcholine and its terrifying effects has a sinister history. In the 1960s and 1970s, this drug was used as an experimental form of aversion therapy. In the ’60s, patients in Atascadero State Hospital—a maximum security clinic for mentally ill and criminally insane males that is still open—were chosen for therapy if they exhibited “acting out” behaviors. Succinylcholine was administered with the goal of initiating paralysis . . . and a brief (one-minute) period of apnea (breathing cessation). Patients remained completely conscious but totally helpless as doctors lectured them about their behavioral issues.”

Succinylcholine is a myorelaxant and is used in surgery for intubations. There is no way PF could have it as he, sorry, was a farrier and neither a veterinarian not a doctor. If he had access to it, this in itself is highly illegal, and DEA would be on his case as it is a prescribed substance.

PF is a layman with no vet diploma. OK, he trims hoofs of animals. He has high school education. He has no training to use sedation on animals, tbh. Even use of pharmaceuticals to sedate animals by a person without veterinarian diploma is, probably, illegal.

 

[BelleinDixie]

Gotcha! I'm not sure about what is allowed for those who are farriers. It may have to be obtained and administered by a veterinarian.

In a small town, where you are a rancher, it wouldn't have been difficult IMHO for Mom and PF to have access to meds used on their cattle and other animals. We did - I grew up on a small farm. We knew the vet and my parents could get anything.

 

[Mom24]

I'm hoping you're correct. But FYI, this link reports that KKL worked in Pre-Op

PICTURED: Female nurse, 32, 'who assisted killer fiance Patrick Frazee' | Daily Mail Online

"Works as a pre-op nurse at the ST Luke's Magic Valley Medical Center in Twin Falls."

I'm not sure what the rules are in regards to this drug in CO, but in most states an RN isn't allowed to administer that drug.
But at any rate, the poster was talking about PF having access to the drug, not KK.

 

[sunshineandlove]

Hello!!! So glad you joined in on the thread! You worded my thought much better than I did.

I would hope if someone was involved with the plan of murder they would be in custody. That is what is confusing to me, disposing of KB’s phone seems like it would be a criminal offense itself. How much did she know??? I’m sure we will find out....I’m just hung up on it.

She might have immunity for talking. Can anyone think of a scenario where PF hands you a phone and asks you to throw it away and you just agree and promptly throw it away without asking why, or what's wrong with it, who's is it?

 

[karinbean_]

Hello everyone. This is my first post. I wanted to thank you all for your insightful thoughts regarding this case as it has been captivating me for a month given the lack of information we have at this point. It is just so very heartbreaking, especially for Baby K.

I’m not sure why it has stuck with me, but I still keep going back to CB’s interview from mid-December where she speaks of Kelsey being excited for Christmas and wanting to get a Christmas tree, but holding off due to PF expressing interest in taking Baby K to get one “themselves.” I feel that shows some control on PF’s part and Kelsey was compliant to his control. A happy, young family would go together and make memories during the holiday season. If IN was in fact in town on Thanksgiving, it makes me wonder if PF wanted to go “alone” so he could get the tree with IN and Kelsey had no idea. MOO.

 

[bestill]

Since LE is convinced that Kelsey is dead when will she be declared dead? She needs to be in order for many legal issues to be handled. imo

 

[Charlot123]

It's really really unlikely. It's very hard to get any drugs like that. Many people think hospitals are like the old days when staff could walk through the pharmaceutical area and get things. It's much more difficult these days. It does happen with things like demerol and pre-op drugs, but usually in places like wards where they do cardiac caths not in the ward KK worked in. Typically when people steal those meds they do so by drawing off the drug and then replacing it with water. So you'd have to have the ability to be alone in an area with no chance someone could walk through. Surgical wards are wide open, lots of staff walking through, families are sometimes present and the pre-op meds are sometimes handled by the anesthesiologist (I'm not sure how it works where KK works). Drugs are also locked up, even waste has to be witnessed by someone else and recorded. I'd really be surprised if she were able to attain something like that through her job.

It is a prescribed drug. Being a nurse, she could not write out prescription, so she could only potentially steal it. I doubt she'd do it as people understand the legal implications of own profession pretty well. Stealing succinylcholine from own hospital to sedate someone would be a no-no for a nurse. Of cybercrime, she might know less.

 

[PommyMommy]

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Oh wow! I'm still shocked that's not included on his website. Thanks for finding that. Sounds like the Berreth's have brought out the big guns. MOO

 

[Elley Mae]

Hello everyone. This is my first post. I wanted to thank you all for your insightful thoughts regarding this case as it has been captivating me for a month given the lack of information we have at this point. It is just so very heartbreaking, especially for Baby K.

I’m not sure why it has stuck with me, but I still keep going back to CB’s interview from mid-December where she speaks of Kelsey being excited for Christmas and wanting to get a Christmas tree, but holding off due to PF expressing interest in taking Baby K to get one “themselves.” I feel that shows some control on PF’s part and Kelsey was compliant to his control. A happy, young family would go together and make memories during the holiday season. If IN was in fact in town on Thanksgiving, it makes me wonder if PF wanted to go “alone” so he could get the tree with IN and Kelsey had no idea. MOO.

karinbean welcome to Websleuths!

Could be where she (KB) was taken to.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

Since LE is convinced that Kelsey is dead when will she be declared dead? She needs to be in order for many legal issues to be handled. imo

I’m surprised they haven’t yet given they have charged him with her murder.

 

[Trudie]

Gotcha! I'm not sure about what is allowed for those who are farriers. It may have to be obtained and administered by a veterinarian.

It’s not uncommon for a farrier to medicate a horse. Some horses oblige & pick feet up. Some, despite training, will never act appropriately. Younger horses, especially. It terrifies them to get shoes, the first time. MOO
Also, imo, any of us with cattle or large farm animals tend to have meds on hand. Things happen, a vet isn’t always available. After establishing a relationship with a vet, in my neck of the woods, we call & tell him what we need & it’s ready to be picked up on the next trip to town. However, narcotics would be off limits. But, if someone has an injured horse, they may need to medicate it for days/weeks, so there’s alway a possibility a rancher has available meds. Personally, I don’t see K being injected.

MOO MOO

 

[MuddyTires]

I’m confused. Why does the wrongful death suit remind you of that? The language in that suit was very boilerplate - it gave away absolutely nothing as far as details, IMHO.

Agree.