CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #24 *ARREST*

[bestill]

I’m surprised they haven’t yet given they have charged him with her murder.

Agree. So many issues are hanging until she's declared dead... they can't sell the house, she may have life insurance for her daughter, more permanent custody of little KB, etc...

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Succi


Succinylcholine is a myorelaxant and is used in surgery for intubations. There is no way PF could have it as he, sorry, was a farrier and neither a veterinarian not a doctor. If he had access to it, this in itself is highly illegal, and DEA would be on his case as it is a prescribed substance.

PF is a layman with no vet diploma. OK, he trims hoofs of animals. He has high school education. He has no training to use sedation on animals, tbh. Even use of pharmaceuticals to sedate animals by a person without veterinarian diploma is, probably, illegal.

Not that I think any of this drug stuff is actually a thing, because in MOO it is a rabbit hole and is not a thing.....but when a person is motivated enough, there is NO drug that is unavailable.

 

[Charlot123]

Isn't succinylcholine a drug given during pre-op? The one article described her as a "pre-op nurse".

It paralyzes the muscles, including respiratory ones, so, not pre-op, but for intubation.

 

[tmar]

Longtime lurker, first time poster here...I'm not even sure I've quoted this properly...but I've been thinking something similar to this. We don't yet know at what point IN became involved. In other words, did she know from September on that PF was planning KB's murder, or did she come on board at the end in the disposal of KB's phone? Maybe someone has already asked this and I've missed it!

Welcome marchioness, with your first post.
Hope we hear more from you.
I agree, had KK known about PF's soliciting plans from Sept.
If so, why no arrest?
Perhaps these 'so called' plans were very vague, not thought to be significant by those involved.
MOO.

 

[Herat]

It's really really unlikely. It's very hard to get any drugs like that. Many people think hospitals are like the old days when staff could walk through the pharmaceutical area and get things. It's much more difficult these days. It does happen with things like demerol and pre-op drugs, but usually in places like wards where they do cardiac caths not in the ward KK worked in. Typically when people steal those meds they do so by drawing off the drug and then replacing it with water. So you'd have to have the ability to be alone in an area with no chance someone could walk through. Surgical wards are wide open, lots of staff walking through, families are sometimes present and the pre-op meds are sometimes handled by the anesthesiologist (I'm not sure how it works where KK works). Drugs are also locked up, even waste has to be witnessed by someone else and recorded. I'd really be surprised if she were able to attain something like that through her job.

I think it's more likely he would have been able to get ahold of a veterinary drug.

And with the issues of premeditation and the LE charges of solicitation it's certainly possible that incapacitation of Kelsey by administering a drug to her was possible.

Another reason why he would he would take great care to conceal or destroy her body

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

It is a prescribed drug. Being a nurse, she could not write out prescription, so she could only potentially steal it. I doubt she'd do it as people understand the legal implications of own profession pretty well. Stealing succinylcholine from own hospital to sedate someone would be a no-no for a nurse. Of cybercrime, she might know less.

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[cluciano63]

The Civil Injury Case vs. Criminal Case After an Assault

This is for assault, but would probably be same for murder, jmo. Says if state has already charged, the civil trial must come later, after criminal case, basically. Jmo

 

[SandyQLS]

I'm not sure what the rules are in regards to this drug in CO, but in most states an RN isn't allowed to administer that drug.
But at any rate, the poster was talking about PF having access to the drug, not KK.

I checked the nurse anesthetist registry and found no license. I don't think anyone expects any drug was obtained legally - I mean murder isn't legal either, and murderers wouldn't care if they stole a drug.

Melanie McGuire was a regular RN working at a fertility clinic.

 

[Seattle1]

Could the wrongful death suit be being brought forward now because CB has custody of the child at this point, custody which at this point is fluid? Would CB still have the same standing if custody were eventually awarded to the Frazee family? I keep trying to understand why the need to file now since it's not common to do so.

Actually, it is common to file suit early as there is a 2 year statute of limitations from date of death. The lawsuit however is not likely to move forward until the criminal case against PF is concluded. PF is considered innocent until proven guilty, and I believe KB's family is receiving good advice, and acting in the best interest of the surviving child. MOO

ETA: Son of Sam Statute does not apply until defendant "convicted" which can take years.

 

[Charlot123]

Not that I think any of this drug stuff is actually a thing, because in MOO it is a rabbit hole and is not a thing.....but when a person is motivated enough, there is NO drug that is unavailable.

I think it would be easier to buy a gun than obtain succinylcholine. For a farrier without a criminal record, to buy a gun is legal, to start asking for succinylcholine would be very suspicious. Too sophisticated as a killing modality. MOO.

And mostly, how would we even know that succinylcholine was used? KB is missing.

 

[Herat]

It does seem that Kelsey was in a vipers nest. Between PF and his family, his "mistress" what PF was telling the community and the solicitations of murder, I'm just sick.

And my sense is that she was Very Alone. No close friends or family. Even workmates would be a 90 mile drive away.

She was really at the mercy of the Frazee's and their circle.

 

[SoVeryMe]

She might have immunity for talking. Can anyone think of a scenario where PF hands you a phone and asks you to throw it away and you just agree and promptly throw it away without asking why, or what's wrong with it, who's is it?

No, but whose to say that’s how it happened? Maybe he told her it was an old phone of his....just throw it away. With that said I don’t think that is the scenario at all.

I’m trying to imagine if my husband gave me a phone and asked me to dispose of it. Now I know what I’d do but before this I’m not so sure....it would depend on so many different scenarios. I would NEVER suspect it would be for sinister reasons.

Could he have given her the phone and said don’t ask questions just throw this away when you get home? Maybe she turned it on to see whose it was and that’s when it pinged? But then there are the messages sent.....so many questions and not enough answers!

 

[Trudie]

Succi


Succinylcholine is a myorelaxant and is used in surgery for intubations. There is no way PF could have it as he, sorry, was a farrier and neither a veterinarian not a doctor. If he had access to it, this in itself is highly illegal, and DEA would be on his case as it is a prescribed substance.

PF is a layman with no vet diploma. OK, he trims hoofs of animals. He has high school education. He has no training to use sedation on animals, tbh. Even use of pharmaceuticals to sedate animals by a person without veterinarian diploma is, probably, illegal.

IMO, if one has an established relationship with his DVM, he has a well stocked med cabinet for farm animals. Things happen, they get caught in wire, stone bruises, go lame, colic, proud flesh injuries, pink eye & on & on. It’s imperative to have necessary meds on hand. Especially in a rural area with limited vets. Weekends & holidays it’s very difficult to get a vet for a farm call. MOO
I think if he was going to inject K, he would not have solicited help. JMO
Based on the language of the civvie suit, it sounded to me like someone struck K. Not all injuries leave blood evidence, imo.

 

[Detective Cup]

Oh wow! I'm still shocked that's not included on his website. Thanks for finding that. Sounds like the Berreth's have brought out the big guns. MOO

Didn’t they lose the MJ lawsuit (I could be wrong)? Maybe that’s why he doesn’t want to have it front and center on his website. IMO

 

[susiQ]

It does seem that Kelsey was in a vipers nest. Between PF and his family, his "mistress" what PF was telling the community and the solicitations of murder, I'm just sick.

Viper's nest. How appropriate a description. Surrounded by poison. I once described my ex dil as having a black heart and poison running through her veins. However, like PF, she was able to fool many people with her lies.

 

[InvSmith]

Since LE is convinced that Kelsey is dead when will she be declared dead? She needs to be in order for many legal issues to be handled. imo

You file with the court a petition of death to declare a missing person deceased (in this case there is a criminal case). If there was not a case, the family would still petition to declare her deceased. The court does certain filings publicly then declares.

 

[InvSmith]

It is a prescribed drug. Being a nurse, she could not write out prescription, so she could only potentially steal it. I doubt she'd do it as people understand the legal implications of own profession pretty well. Stealing succinylcholine from own hospital to sedate someone would be a no-no for a nurse. Of cybercrime, she might know less.

RNs cannot prescribe.

 

[?mysterian?]

It’s not uncommon for a farrier to medicate a horse. Some horses oblige & pick feet up. Some, despite training, will never act appropriately. Younger horses, especially. It terrifies them to get shoes, the first time. MOO
Also, imo, any of us with cattle or large farm animals tend to have meds on hand. Things happen, a vet isn’t always available. After establishing a relationship with a vet, in my neck of the woods, we call & tell him what we need & it’s ready to be picked up on the next trip to town. However, narcotics would be off limits. But, if someone has an injured horse, they may need to medicate it for days/weeks, so there’s alway a possibility a rancher has available meds. Personally, I don’t see K being injected.

MOO MOO

I agree about KB not being injected, I don't think PF would be caring/compassionate enough to sedate a victim before they were murdered, IMO. I hate typing that.

 

[Charlot123]

PF certainly had access to animal tranquilizers, so the nurse didn't really have to supply him with anything. Give her the shot and push her over the balcony. IMHO.

Technically speaking, it is a vet's job to administer tranquilizers, but maybe they bend the rules.

But if he used tranquilizers on KB, there would be a separate charge for illegally obtained drugs, too.

 

[SandyQLS]

Maybe the civil suit firm reached out to the B's? (I keep expecting Jose Baez or some fame-seeking defense attorney to reach out to PF as well.)

Back at the first presser Dec 10, CB wanted to make it very clear that KB +PF had never lived together. Posters in early threads thought it might be important to the B family SDA religion. But later the talk was about money, property, inheritances. Now the big gun civil attorney also looks like a money move. Nothing against the B's doing whatever they deem legally necessary... but I am wondering if CB is pointing at the motive?

ETA: I tried to double-quote for continuity of posts, and neither post appeared! Sorry.