CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #25 *ARREST*

[Jethro4WS]

This was the brother in Tacoma, WA correct?

I've looked back to the FAQ's on page 1 and I don't see a date when her brother was at her townhouse.

December 3rd.

See this post by me and follow back through the post I replied to. (this is all back on thread #12)
CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #12 *ARREST*

 

[Noharg]

checking KK's time cards.

Is that info that can be made public? Someone’s time card? Is the reporter asking or police?

Edited to add last question.

 

[jaspermac]

Is that info that can be made public? Someone’s time card?

The police are checking her time cards, not us. LOL

 

[Ccging]

I’ve been thinking about KK using her CC at Sonic and wondering why? Seems like a “duh” kind of move, but what if she had no knowledge of what was going to happen until she got to CO so never bothered to get cash ahead of time? AFTER, she knew that going to an ATM would put her full face on video, so it was less risky to use her CC if possibly LE could not verify it was her on the drive thru video, merely that her CC was used and it was maybe her vehicle. Though one could argue if she needed cash why not just ask PF?

I’m perplexed by the whole Sonic thing honestly. If I was involved in a crime in any way and I did not want anyone knowing I was anywhere nearby I sure ain’t going through a drive thru.

 

[Snow Flower]

I think it's clear she was involved in some manner. The question is did she know what she was involved in and to what extent was she involved. Or was she just involved in the sense that someone asked for help but she refused.

I tend to think it was more than that because of the location of the phone ping. But I don't have a clue past that. It's possible she didn't realize what was really going on.

But my point isn't whether and to what extent she's involved. It's that some have suggested she couldn't be because she's a nurse and a mom. And I think that's a very innocent manner of thinking.

I think she had more of a reason, from a jealousy thing of KB, to want to get rid of her then PF did. As a matter of fact I wonder if PF wasn’t using KB as a reason for not being together with KK.

I agree that simply being a nurse and/or a mom means nothing. I remember that astronaut, female, years back that was so love addicted that she drove across country in a diaper, as to not have to take a potty break, to kidnap and attack her romantic rival. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...l-violent-love-triangle-case-article-1.414775

 

[Noharg]

The police are checking her time cards, not us. LOL

Lol! I know not us. I thought the reporter was trying to ask. OMGosh...I am not too quick on the uptake sometimes. Ha.

 

[MyBelle]

Thats one thing that we were all questioning. We never had an evidence of any police dogs at KB's house. Now they may have come and gone under our noses ...

LE isn't giving play-by-play announcements of searches. LE has given no information what they were looking for or what was found in the several searches of both properties.

I do not believe a murder planned over a period of months is going to involve a lot of blood spatter or violent mess. JMO

 

[Jethro4WS]

ok wait...so are y'all saying the taped over podcast or show (not sure what) said that KB was at a Sonic near KB's house???? If so is that for sure and how do they know that.

And of course the question....what good reason would KK have any business being near KB's house....no good reason IMHO.

Perhaps she simply wanted something from a fast food place. The only place in that area you will find them is right in the same area of Woodland Park.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

What? No have Twitter.

I don't have any social media accounts but I can see tweets and instagram posts if they are public, which news media would generally be. I can also see selective facebook pages as long as someone posts the link (ie I can't navigate there from another page but can often open a direct link).

 

[jaspermac]

I’ve been thinking about KK using her CC at Sonic and wondering why? Seems like a “duh” kind of move, but what if she had no knowledge of what was going to happen until she got to CO so never bothered to get cash ahead of time? AFTER, she knew that going to an ATM would put her full face on video, so it was less risky to use her CC if possibly LE could not verify it was her on the drive thru video, merely that her CC was used and it was maybe her vehicle. Though one could argue if she needed cash why not just ask PF?

I’m perplexed by the whole Sonic thing honestly. If I was involved in a crime in any way and I did not want anyone knowing I was anywhere nearby I sure ain’t going through a drive thru.

So lets say hypothetically the Sonic thing is true (it hasn't disappeared from MSM) and the CC is true.
I think your idea is a valid one on what happened but it also could be that she was hiding in plain sight. She had valid reason to be in Colorado that weekend- not solely PF. And felt it would look suspicious if she didn't use her CC. Me, i never have cash and if i all of sudden started using cash when i committed a crime it would look odd. number 1 I wouldn't commit a crime but if i planned it three months out, i would be using cash for 3 months to establish a pattern. So who knows.

 

[MassGuy]

I think she had more of a reason, from a jealousy thing of KB, to want to get rid of her then PF did. As a matter of fact I wonder if PF wasn’t using KB as a reason for not being together with KK.

I agree that simply being a nurse and/or a mom means nothing. I remember that astronaut, female, years back that was so love addicted that she drove across country in a diaper, as to not have to take a potty break, to kidnap and attack her romantic rival. Former NASA astronaut Lisa Nowak escapes jail with plea deal in violent love triangle case

I disagree with your first point, that she had more of a reason to want KB dead than PF did.

KB and PF were not living together, and may not have been romantically involved for some time.

If they were living together, that would be a different matter entirely, but as that’s not the case here, I don’t see the threat.

 

[Jethro4WS]

But it was the Thanksgiving Holidays. Plenty of people go out of town to visit family that week.

Busiest travel holiday of the year. AAA estimated that 54.3 million americans would travel more than 50 miles for this past Thanksgiving.

https://newsroom.aaa.com/2018/11/thanksgiving-travel-forecast-2018/

 

[MyBelle]

That alone, would not be good enough.

There is always other evidence used in conjunction with what the dog “says.”

Dogs are not infallible.

That has to be proved at trial. LE uses cadaver dogs and juries get to decide if the testimony is credible. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I'm wondering that too. And WHY on a holiday?

I think he chose a holiday so he could text that excuse for her to miss work. If it was not a holiday week, that text would make no sense.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Is that info that can be made public? Someone’s time card? Is the reporter asking or police?

I don't think it applies in this case but in the case of a publicly-owned hospital I do believe employee timecards or at least their data would have to be made public, probably via a FOIA request (Freedom Of Information Act). If taxpayers pay your salary, the public has a right to know when you did/didn't work. IMU (understanding).

But even a private institution would probably want to cooperate with this kind of request. I think it would look really suspicious if they didn't. No medical information is being released. Again MOO.

 

[jaspermac]

LE isn't giving play-by-play announcements of searches. LE has given no information what they were looking for or what was found in the several searches of both properties.

I do not believe a murder planned over a period of months is going to involve a lot of blood spatter or violent mess. JMO

Fair enough and you might be 100 percent right. I do know of a case that was elaborately set up for months. The date committed- that seemed to not happen the way it was planned because something happened to push the timeline. Anyway, love triangle, kids and the hate you need to commit murder caused it to be very violent and cruel. It all depends on what PF's level of self control is.. JMO

 

[Gardener1850]

We see murder weapons hidden like that, but it usually occurs when a murder occurs with two people living under the same roof.

When a husband kills a wife for instance, and he tries to sell the story that some third party came in and attacked her, he might dump the murder weapon inside the house, due to a lack of time in which to properly dispose of it.

PF had no such time constraints.

I think the weapon left the house at the same time Kelsey’s body did.

I agree he took whatever he used with him. While we are on the subject of possible weapons, PF supposedly had hit a horse with a rasp in the past. I wasn't familiar with the type of rasp a farrier would use so I looked it up. And I saw a lot farrier rasps online that have been forged into knives. PF would have had a forge. I wonder if PF had such a knife?
Farrier's Rasp Knife

At first I was looking at that rasp knife and thinking that could be ideal for evidence retrieval-- all those little triangle shaped divots would be difficult to clean and might hold trace DNA. Then it occurred to me that if he is into forging weapons, reheating a blade in his forge could possibly destroy all traces or blood DNA. I really hope he was not that crafty. But he had a lot of time to plan this murder. And 10 days to destroy evidence.

MOO.

 

[NoeticSoul]

I think he chose a holiday so he could text that excuse for her to miss work. If it was not a holiday week, that text would make no sense.

Very true! Because who calls off work for a whole week via text anyhow? I wonder what reason was provided in the text for needing a whole week off?

 

[srg]

Yes, I wonder if LE questioned one or both of the dump helpers....maybe they knew of something after the fact...perhaps they were getting rid of evidence and when confronted by LE they ratted PF out? LE could’ve possibly recovered evidence from the dump themselves.....it makes no sense to me that PF would hang on to evidence for so long though.....he obviously did a thorough job of concealing KB’s remains....to be sloppy with evidence afterwards makes no sense to me. MOO

Agree. And I’d be very surprised if LE didn’t question both of the dump helpers (geez, would never want to be referred to as “dump helper”).

Not sure PF would think through what counts as evidence, such as DNA on let’s say a saw (only one of my speculations, not proven fact) or maybe items KB bought at Safeway on Thanksgiving that were identified on her receipt from that day.

All MOO.

 

[GordianKnot]

Interesting tweet from a Denver news reporter: Chris Halsne on Twitter

That is VERY interesting!
IMO, it indicates there likely hasn't been any deal struck with KK yet.
LE appears to be in full investigative mode right now re: KK's level of involvement.
IMO, they will be going back months to look at her movements, SM, texts, emails, bank statements, etc. to ascertain what/when/how she is involved in the crime.
LE appears to be laser-focused on KK right now.

All JMVHO