CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

[SoVeryMe]

She is most likely hunkered down in her home. Or maybe she is not even at her home and hiding out someplace else.

I think she is in custody.

 

[Jupiter05]

I don't attribute malice nor spite to those intervening by default simply because PF has been charged. They may have a genuine interest in the welfare of the child and almost certainly have been more a part of the life of that child than any other party to the case. I can't quite wrap my head around why there is such projection of malice and spite as a motive when there is zero evidence backing it.

I have a different impression from what I have seen. I dont see them as being so concerned about the baby's welfare. I see them as tormenting KB's parents and I do not understand why. They have not come out and said a word or have not shown a bit of concern so that is what I am going on. We don't know if the sister has been a part of the baby's life and the mother is said to be in poor health. And where is PF's father and brothers? It feels very very mean spirited to me. The whole custody thing. Talk about kicking someone when they are as low as they can be. I do not see one iota of compassion from them. IMO

 

[Jupiter05]

I think she is in custody.

Why do you think that? And there would be a public record or statement if so, right?

 

[Hatfield]

I think she is in custody.

I think someone would have gotten any arrest reports by now if that were the case. Or do you mean maybe protective custody of some sort?

I once knew a person where their family was paid to house a person that was going to testify in a murder trial. I guess that would be considered protective custody. It was all very hush hush and they were told never to tell anyone who the person was that began staying with them. That person never left their home until the trial.

 

[Deleted member 718]

So here’s a thought.....no current photos of KK at all...you know if she went to the grocery store reporters would be all over that. She must be in custody, protective or not. I know that’s been speculated but not verified so I’m just thinking it’s odd there has been no sightings.

I’m not trying to sleuth KK, just noting her physical absence from MSM.

Watch the video at this link. A reporter is knocking on KK's front door trying to talk to her. Not surprised she didn't answer the door.

Search for clues in case of missing mother continues

 

[Medstudies]

Hello WS’s. I’ve been lurking/following since the first post and I’m way late to the convo.

I’ve gone back and forth on whether PF had planned the murder for several weeks vs he snapped. It just dawned on me, couldn’t it be both? As in, he had been trying to get others to do it for him but then he just lost his (for -fill in the blank, his lame “reason”) that day?

And was was able to get IN (and possibly others) to help in the cover-up?

Anyway, am hopeful IN is giving valuable info up on PF, so KB can be given justice, and a proper burial, and appreciate reading all the discussion

 

[MassGuy]

I have a different impression from what I have seen. I dont see them as being so concerned about the baby's welfare. I see them as tormenting KB's parents and I do not understand why. They have not come out and said a word or have not shown a bit of concern so that is what I am going on. We don't know if the sister has been a part of the baby's life and the mother is said to be in poor health. And where is PF's father and brothers? It feels very very mean spirited to me. The whole custody thing. Talk about kicking someone when they are as low as they can be. I do not see one iota of compassion from them. IMO

I don’t think they are getting some sick satisfaction from any of this.

I think they are simply looking out for their own interests, at the expense of the Berreth family.

It appears to be very selfish, but I don’t think they’ve done anything malicious because they enjoy doing it.

 

[susiQ]

I think she is in custody.

Is it possible for that to be kept from the public?

 

[Ccging]

I don't attribute malice nor spite to those intervening by default simply because PF has been charged. They may have a genuine interest in the welfare of the child and almost certainly have been more a part of the life of that child than any other party to the case. I can't quite wrap my head around why there is such projection of malice and spite as a motive when there is zero evidence backing it.

I think it is because the public expected them, as family, to show some caring or support when KB was missing. The public was told PF was her fiancé so the public expected a show of solidarity and concern about KB as their future in-law. When that did not happen it soured the public to them, justly or not.

 

[Mercedes]

I think someone would have gotten any arrest reports by now if that were the case. Or do you mean maybe protective custody of some sort?

I once knew a person where their family was paid to house a person that was going to testify in a murder trial. I guess that would be considered protective custody. It was all very hush hush and they were told never to tell anyone who the person was that began staying with them. That person never left their home until the trial.

 

[cluciano63]

I think she is in custody.

She would have to be under arrest to be held. Unless you mean some sort of protective custody? That is fairly rare, imo.

 

[Aydrianna523]

Yes!! I completely agree with you...I love how you said his world is small....that makes sense to me. Not to generalize but I grew up on in a small farming community and most farmers are “simple” people. I don’t mean that in a bad way whatsoever. PF drove farm/work trucks, wore wranglers and let’s be real.....he’s probably been going to the same barber since he was 10 and gotten the same haircut. Nothing wrong with any of the above but I do think that speaks to his personality. I don’t think this was financially driven, I’m not sure he is even capable of coming up with some big elaborate plan to murder KB. I think he tried to get someone to do the dirty work or be the brains, when that didn’t pan out probably his plan b. went awry and his focus was to get rid of the evidence. He or someone else did a decent job of cleaning her apartment to the casual observer and I don’t think her body is easily recoverable. IMO

If not financially driven, then what are you thinking...

 

[cluciano63]

Is it possible for that to be kept from the public?

For this long? Seems unlikely.

 

[cluciano63]

If not financially driven, then what are you thinking...

Custody, for me. FT permanent custody with no threat of Kelsey moving away.

 

[GordianKnot]

That’s the confusing thing. What exactly PF planned to make this look like, and how and if his plan changed along the way.

The cell phone activity makes sense if he was trying to create a scenario in which Kelsey left on some sort of a road trip.

But it makes no sense if she didn’t have the means to get there.

Chris Watts probably planned to make it look like Shanann left on her own, but his plan was thwarted when his time was cut short by SW’s friend.

He didn’t have a chance to dump her belongings and vehicle.

PF had over a week to make this look the way he wanted it to look, and the way he made it look doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Because of the car.

So one of three things could have occurred:

We are wrong about how he planned to make this look.

Something inhibited him from dumping her car.

He’s a dumbass.

I’m going with the latter.

MG, I'm going with answer D. Both B & C are true.

Hypothetical scenario:

Let's say PF does have an accomplice. IMO, if someone else was involved, PF might have intended for that accomplice to help him with cleaning up at the crime scene and ditching KB's vehicle somewhere along her supposed route to ID.

In this hypothetical scenario, Accomplice X may have bucked (no pun intended) at the suggestion and told PF that while they were on board with ditching the phone, transporting KB's car was much, much too risky.

Alternatively in this hypothetical scenario, Accomplice X's participation may have been interrupted by unanticipated changes in their own availability (change in work schedule, child care arrangements, etc.) and that may have put the kibosh on KB's brilliant, fool-proof plan.

All JMO.

 

[Kapua]

She would have to be under arrest to be held. Unless you mean some sort of protective custody? That is fairly rare, imo.

She's probably not going out in public, wherever she is. MOO

 

[Jupiter05]

I don’t think they are getting some sick satisfaction from any of this.

I think they are simply looking out for their own interests, at the expense of the Berreth family.

It appears to be very selfish, but I don’t think they’ve done anything malicious because they enjoy doing it.

I do not think they are getting sick satisfaction from it either, but I do not think they are looking at the whole picture, what KB's family is going through, etc. I think it is all about them. And that PF is the same way. I know it sounds harsh, but they have not been any more forthcoming or concerned about KB than PF has shown. Edited to say that perhaps I am still not over how CW's parents were to SW and I am forever jaded. IMO

 

[Beamer15]

I live in Taos, not too far from Pueblo. I like it there too. Taos, like WP, is very expensive. We have been considering moving there.

I thought it was very reasonable to eat out, navigating was easy with little to no traffic, close to Colorado Springs and Denver... and you can see Pikes Peak from the city bridges. Anyway, sorry all... off topic. SnowFlower, my daughter lives in the historic district, really nice area FYI

 

[karinbean_]

Custody, for me. FT permanent custody with no threat of Kelsey moving away.

I agree. When the investigation began ramping up, PF was oddly possessive over Baby K, being seen with her everywhere including leaving a lawyer’s office as if the toddler were his shield from dealing with reality.

Also, his former lawyer taking the angle of PF “focusing on raising the child he and KB share together” vs actually showing any empathy to his missing partner was quite telling IMO.

 

[Seattle1]

Usually with a no body case they have significant evidence of the person being murdered. But not always. In Wisconsin they have charged Jason Sypher with the murder of Krista Sypher and not only do they not have a body, but they also have no physical evidence of death - not even a drop of blood. And their key piece of evidence is a 12 second stop at a dumpster where he could have disposed of her body is compounded by the search, over the course of several days, of the landfill where the dumpster was emptied yielded no body. In that case they are trying the case on the totality of circumstantial evidence.

My worry with the Schelling and Sypher cases is that lone juror, given the totality of circumstantial evidence, who still can't see past the missing body for reasonable doubt.