CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

[Beamer15]

As of 2017 Pueblo has the highest crime rate per capita of any city in Colorado. Their school system is lousy. And they have a serious problem with vagrants and drug use.

If she worked in the area she had to have known all of this. I seriously doubt she considered living there.

hmmm wonder where you are getting your information from? Do you live there? I have heard the crime is high, however, they are really revitalizing a lot of the city and Pueblo West is anything but "cheap"... not arguing just saying I was just there and physically witnessed the city.

 

[1mtroyal]

I firmly believe she's involved in all of this from a criminal standpoint. And I hope she's reading websleuths!

kdvr had a news piece 6 or so hours ago showing a reporter knocking on her door. There was also an interview with the Twin Falls sheriff who said he could not think of the name of the woman at the center of the controversy. I assume the piece is somewhere on the kdvr web site. I viewed it from the Kelsey Berreth Disappearance and case discussion FB site.

 

[Trudie]

I doubt she would have bought something in Pueblo regardless of her work location. Pueblo is not a good area and you definitely don't want to send your kid to the schools there.

Maybe due to less snow in the winter they attract a dif group of people? Idk
Pueblo does seem to have a high murder rate. IMO

 

[Trudie]

kdvr had a news piece 6 or so hours ago showing a reporter knocking on her door. There was also an interview with the Twin Falls sheriff who said he could not think of the name of the woman at the center of the controversy. I assume the piece is somewhere on the kdvr web site. I viewed it from the Kelsey Berreth Disappearance and case discussion FB site.

I think the sheriff clip was on nat’l news, earlier.

 

[24Brix]

So here’s a thought.....no current photos of KK at all...you know if she went to the grocery store reporters would be all over that. She must be in custody, protective or not. I know that’s been speculated but not verified so I’m just thinking it’s odd there has been no sightings.

I’m not trying to sleuth KK, just noting her physical absence from MSM.

As far as I can tell, both Colorado and Idaho can choose to keep arrest records private for various reasons, among them compromising an active investigation, safety of the accused, safety of the public, lack of a decision on whether charges will be placed, etc. Maybe that’s happening here? Both of the links below are informative:

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/are-arrest-records-public-36914

Public Records FAQs -- Idaho's Open Meeting and Public Records Laws -- Idaho Public Television

 

[Elle*Bee]

Did any of them go to the vigil or make a statement to plea for help in finding KB when she was missing? No. All we have heard from them is in their fight for custody for the baby. To me, and in my opinion, this speaks volumes. Kelsey was the mother of their grand daughter, neice. They showed no concern publicly. It does not feel right to me. MY opinion. I do not expect them to say a thing about PF's arrest, but the days before that, when CB came to search, they certainly did not appear to care at all. CB was not even allowed to see her grand daughter.

I’m still reserving judgment since there’s so much about PF’s family we don’t know. Please correct me if I’m wrong: the state of PF’s mother’s health hasn’t been confirmed. Do we know what PF told his family about his relationship with KB? I know he was identified as ‘fiance’ very early on, but then we hear they’ve been broken up for quite some time. It was suggested that a family member (one or more) believed KB flaked out in the past and took off (which I don’t believe).

IMO it’s quite possible that she may not have been around PF’s family recently. I believe PF led his family to believe that his romantic relationship ended and they were now co-parenting. It’s possible that when KB went missing, PF suggested she ran off with heaven knows who.

When KB sounded the alarm of Kelsey’s disappearance, his family might have felt awkward coming forward speaking out in support of (presumably) their son’s ex-girlfriend who took off on her own again. <<< if that’s what PF led them to believe. By the time it became clear she was missing/endangered, the damage (their lack of public empathy) has been done.

As far as intervening in custody, perhaps his family has formed a bond with Baby K. Perhaps if they believe KB was flaky, they have concerns about her family raising Baby K. Not saying this is the case, but a possibility.

I do think the denial is strong in his family. However, I’m just not quite ready to make the leap that all monsters have awful parents. That’s certainly a possibility, but I need a little more evidence. Just my opinion.

 

[BingoBongo]

Maybe due to less snow in the winter they attract a dif group of people? Idk
Pueblo does seem to have a high murder rate. IMO

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Not sure why the link says "Redirect Notice", but it works and will take you to an article about Pueblo.

 

[Snow Flower]

Besides the discussion in my post about her moving to Pueblo, to be closer to work and put distance between KB and PF, I was wondering why she would be going to Thanksgiving dinner with PF with KK in town, as her mother mentioned. I was also wondering if PF was stressed because he was trying to juggle both KK and KB on Thanksgiving. I felt he was playing both women. I mentioned a few other ideas but the comments were immediately derailed with discussions of Pueblo. I don’t bruise easily because I have been going to online forums for about 12 years. Those who get their feelings hurt easily don’t last. But I was really interested in discussing the other comments, not fighting over Pueblo.

 

[Seattle1]

I doubt she would have bought something in Pueblo regardless of her work location. Pueblo is not a good area and you definitely don't want to send your kid to the schools there.

Respectfully, how long have you lived there, and under what circumstances? You continue to bash the town but never provide your basis for doing so. It's the 9th largest City in Colorado, and just trying to understand your motivation here. And I'm asking as one that had a great experience there, and where I made lifetime friends. MOO

 

[Jupiter05]

I’m still reserving judgment since there’s so much about PF’s family we don’t know. Please correct me if I’m wrong: the state of PF’s mother’s health hasn’t been confirmed. Do we know what PF told his family about his relationship with KB? I know he was identified as ‘fiance’ very early on, but then we hear they’ve been broken up for quite some time. It was suggested that a family member (one or more) believed KB flaked out in the past and took off (which I don’t believe).

IMO it’s quite possible that she may not have been around PF’s family recently. I believe PF led his family to believe that his romantic relationship ended and they were now co-parenting. It’s possible that when KB went missing, PF suggested she ran off with heaven knows who.

When KB sounded the alarm of Kelsey’s disappearance, his family might have felt awkward coming forward speaking out in support of (presumably) their son’s ex-girlfriend who took off on her own again. <<< if that’s what PF led them to believe. By the time it became clear she was missing/endangered, the damage (their lack of public empathy) has been done.

As far as intervening in custody, perhaps his family has formed a bond with Baby K. Perhaps if they believe KB was flaky, they have concerns about her family raising Baby K. Not saying this is the case, but a possibility.

I do think the denial is strong in his family. However, I’m just not quite ready to make the leap that all monsters have awful parents. That’s certainly a possibility, but I need a little more evidence. Just my opinion.

The time that she was announced as missing and endangered was in early December. PF was arested on Dec 21. You are making statements that have popped up on some really bizarre facebook pages and there has been NO mention beyond that of KB having any issues. Even still, no matter what, she was MISSING and no one in the Frazee family seemed to care. She could not have gotten a pilot lisence with any mental or physical conditions. Let us not bleed the FB gossip onto this page. Not saying they are monsters. But saying they have not acted in a manner of a family that cared about anyone outside of the family, namely the mother of this child that they seem to want to fight over. I just do not see any compassion. IMO.

 

[BingoBongo]

hmmm wonder where you are getting your information from? Do you live there? I have heard the crime is high, however, they are really revitalizing a lot of the city and Pueblo West is anything but "cheap"... not arguing just saying I was just there and physically witnessed the city.

A long-time dear friends son and his wife live there. The City has attempted a revitalization, with some success...but the gang issue and bad rep that Pueblo has appears to be hard to overcome.

Gangs, and drug use for the most part.

Report: Pueblo ranked most violent city in Colorado

Google Pueblo Crime.

 

[esayer]

Why? What is wrong with Pueblo? Tysm

It was voted by residents as the worst city in Colorado for one! Here's why Living In Pueblo, CO

 

[SoVeryMe]

Why do you think that? And there would be a public record or statement if so, right?

She would have to be under arrest to be held. Unless you mean some sort of protective custody? That is fairly rare, imo.

Is it possible for that to be kept from the public?

To clarify I think she is in some type of custody, whether it is protective or else I’m not sure. If she is a “star witness” who has provided valuable information to LE they either have her in a safe place or she is being closely watched, perhaps even under house arrest. I’m not sure where she would be if she is working on a plea deal, I can’t imagine they would just send her home. I also think LE or the FBI have the ability to hold someone without it being released to the public. IMO Maybe an attorney on here can shed some light as to what may be possible?

She was either asked by LE or her employer to take an administrative leave....I can see why her employer would request that but why would LE?

All speculation on my part.

 

[esayer]

We don't even know that CB attempted to see the child. That has been assumed.

Well it's pretty easy to assume she did!

 

[The Night Watchman]

The time that she was announced as missing and endangered was in early December. PF was arested on Dec 21. You are making statements that have popped up on some really bizarre facebook pages and there has been NO mention beyond that of KB having any issues. Even still, no matter what, she was MISSING and no one in the Frazee family seemed to care. She could not have gotten a pilot lisence with any mental or physical conditions. Let us not bleed the FB gossip onto this page. Not saying they are monsters. But saying they have not acted in a manner of a family that cared about anyone outside of the family, namely the mother of this child that they seem to want to fight over. I just do not see any compassion. IMO.

Elle*Bee is not making statements about KB. She is suggesting what PF may have told his family, as an explanation for lack of family action with regards to KB.

A narcissist or sociopath controls a narrative in their own interest. PF is the go-between who informs the family of what KB is up to, since she apparently wasn't around anymore. Even normal people control the narrative to stories when they think they can't be proved wrong.

I think the point was being made that PF's family could have behaved a certain way based on what they "knew".

EB: By the time it became clear she was missing/endangered, the damage (their lack of public empathy) has been done.

I think it is something to consider, although I obviously don't agree with the families behavior.

 

[esayer]

Respectfully, how long have you lived there, and under what circumstances? You continue to bash the town but never provide your basis for doing so. It's the 9th largest City in Colorado, and just trying to understand your motivation here. And I'm asking as one that had a great experience there, and where I made lifetime friends. MOO

Here Living In Pueblo, CO

 

[SoVeryMe]

As far as I can tell, both Colorado and Idaho can choose to keep arrest records private for various reasons, among them compromising an active investigation, safety of the accused, safety of the public, lack of a decision on whether charges will be placed, etc. Maybe that’s happening here? Both of the links below are informative:

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/are-arrest-records-public-36914

Public Records FAQs -- Idaho's Open Meeting and Public Records Laws -- Idaho Public Television

Very informative, thank you!

 

[Noharg]

I think she is in custody.

I hope so. MOO

 

[allboys]

This was the most puzzling part to me ... whether the story was that Kelsey was on her way to Washington or that she just left town for awhile, how could she have done that without her car? Crazy! Even though PF had time to plan, it appears he lacked the brain to carry it out successfully.

Unless PF hoped the fact that there is an airport in Gooding, Idaho might mislead people. But since there were no planes missing or unaccounted for, and no record of her traveling to get to an airplane/airport... that would not be a good “story” either.

Which brings us back to option 3: he’s a dumba$$.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Quite frankly, what would you want them to say - that PF is a murderer and absolutely did it? Okay, so if they did that, how would it affect whether or not they have a genuine interest in the welfare of the child? What does his actions have to do with theirs? We don't know anything about the true health of PF's mother just like we don't know anything about the true health of KB's mother. As for any other party intervening they should only do so if they have a genuine interest and the means to care for the child.

Sorry...ladies to jump in on this but...to me the F family is F’d up...they remind me of the Smith family in the Michelle Parker case. Just like the Smith’s protected Dale...knowing he killed Michelle... The F’s are protecting Patrick knowing he killed Kelsey. The F family showed no concern for Kelsey...didn’t go to the vigil or help in any way whatsoever...that shows where their hearts are. IMO they either enabled this to happen OR may have some liability in Kelsey’s murder. Wouldn’t be surprised to see some F members in cuffs. Lock me up if that’s the case. ALL JMO AND ALL THAT JAZZ.