CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

[skycountry]

Thanks! I was also thinking... don't nurses have access to certain untraceable drugs. What if PF 'jokingly but not joking at all' asked said nurse for a certain drug so he can be rid of KB.. on three or so occasions (solicitation). IMO that would qualify as solicitation to commit murder. MOO. Ok, back to lurking I go.

There are plenty of animal drugs he could have acquired from his vet, ACE comes to mind, and Banamine. I had a farrier use ACE once, did not work, but he did have it on hand, some farriers do carry calming drugs to work on problem horses.

 

[karinbean_]

Delete - wrong info about photos

 

[Aydrianna523]

Inside Edition (MSM?) timeline from a couple days ago. About every article calls Frazee the fiancee, but I think we're all a little confused on that since some people said they were broke up.
Anyways...
Kelsey Berreth Case: What to Know About the Missing Colorado Mom Last Seen on Thanksgiving Day

 

[haven71]

Been lurking but just a thought. What if CB's media narrative of an engaged loving couple was in order to fish out testimony from an Idaho gf, i.e. giving the gf the suggestion that PF was playing both her and KB. Once Idaho gf hears a different version of the relationship with KB, she gets upset and decides to come forward with information on PF. MOO.

Interesting theory.

But how would CB have known about IN? Was IN even on the radar that early on in the investigation?

 

[Trudie]

Inside Edition (MSM?) timeline from a couple days ago. About every article calls Frazee the fiancee, but I think we're all a little confused on that since some people said they were broke up.
Anyways...
Kelsey Berreth Case: What to Know About the Missing Colorado Mom Last Seen on Thanksgiving Day

I think both PF & KB might have told different people different things, regarding their relationship status.

 

[Crooked Chicken]

I believe that was the press conference the attorney was referencing, not the vigil.

ETA. I replied just to refresh our memories so we don’t get confused. No offense meant.

That's correct -- it was the press conference that he did not attend. There are several different articles, with different excuses, that mention this:
Police release surveillance video of missing Colorado mother
Texts sent from Colorado mom's cellphone 3 days after she went missing
Video shows missing mom, baby at store before she vanished

 

[skycountry]

We are all equally allowed to discuss this case. Basically, we all have the same info, what’s been released. That’s it.
All we can do is speculate, theorize & otherwise guess what might have happened.

I have found 3 dif’ eta for CB, so, I’m not linking the articles. If I can narrow the time frame down, I’ll provide links.

There sure is very little info out there on this, all we can do is speculate, and speculate some more. I hate that.

 

[Chapmantj]

Ok, I'll agree. We don't know one way or the other. Either way requires some assumptions on our part. I'm not going to address the part I respectfully snipped as I don't find that type of conversation productive.

I'm sure Pommy or someone can find the exact date CB arrived. I recall KB's brother picked his mom up at the airport. But no matter what day she actually arrived, my point remains the same-- she likely did not know KB was murdered right away. Even if she suspected that early on, I believe it is reasonable to assume some level of communication was attempted with PF in the beginning to find out information about KB. And I believe it is reasonable to assume CB asked to see her granddaughter while her daughter was deemed missing. But of course I am assuming that. My assumptions are based on the police chiefs statements and CB statements which appear to me to indicate she would want to see her grandchild. There's also the fact CB filed for custody of Baby K after the baby was taken away from PF upon his arrest. But I'll leave it at that. As gitana likes to say, reasonable minds may differ.

BBM - I don't know if this has been brought up, but I've heard it said that LE may have directed CB on the press interviews. That being the case, do we know what CB actually knew and didn't know. If they were a close-knit family, why wouldn't KB tell her mom everything? In addition, if KB is as smart as we may think, would she have known about PF's plans? Maybe the B's knew more than we think they did. Just a couple questions I've been thinking about. MOO

 

[Trudie]

There sure is very little info out there on this, all we can do is speculate, and speculate some more. I hate that.

News will come. We don’t know what’s going on, LE owes us nothing. Some cases drag on for years.

 

[MassGuy]

Inside Edition (MSM?) timeline from a couple days ago. About every article calls Frazee the fiancee, but I think we're all a little confused on that since some people said they were broke up.
Anyways...
Kelsey Berreth Case: What to Know About the Missing Colorado Mom Last Seen on Thanksgiving Day

We have to remember (I keep forgetting this), that everything we know about the status of their relationship (not being together), comes from PF, or people who have communicated with PF.

The idea that they were broken up for a year, comes from what he told others.

The whole “custody exchange” language, comes from him as well, as he apparently told LE this.

We simply don’t know if Kelsey was PF’s fiancé, or if she was his “fiancé,” as I’ve been saying.

 

[InvSmith]

That’s the confusing thing. What exactly PF planned to make this look like, and how and if his plan changed along the way.

The cell phone activity makes sense if he was trying to create a scenario in which Kelsey left on some sort of a road trip.

But it makes no sense if she didn’t have the means to get there.

Chris Watts probably planned to make it look like Shanann left on her own, but his plan was thwarted when his time was cut short by SW’s friend.

He didn’t have a chance to dump her belongings and vehicle.

PF had over a week to make this look the way he wanted it to look, and the way he made it look doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Because of the car.

So one of three things could have occurred:

We are wrong about how he planned to make this look.

Something inhibited him from dumping her car.

He’s a dumbass.

I’m going with the latter.

I have heard this said in every high profile cases, NO one is ready for the attention or scrutiny it brings. After ten days, you start to feel back to normal. He could be planning that there is more time to address any small details but suddenly he is under complete scrutiny like no one can describe until you go through it. He now cannot address the small details but major ones such as the car cannot be addressed either. The phone ping may be one small detail to explain her [missing] and whereabouts; then the text were added for good measure to explain her [absence]. The texts [bought time] to get the details cemented and straight. JMO

 

[Jethro4WS]

Ok, I'll agree. We don't know one way or the other. Either way requires some assumptions on our part. I'm not going to address the part I respectfully snipped as I don't find that type of conversation productive.

I'm sure Pommy or someone can find the exact date CB arrived. I recall KB's brother picked his mom up at the airport. But no matter what day she actually arrived, my point remains the same-- she likely did not know KB was murdered right away. Even if she suspected that early on, I believe it is reasonable to assume some level of communication was attempted with PF in the beginning to find out information about KB. And I believe it is reasonable to assume CB asked to see her granddaughter while her daughter was deemed missing. But of course I am assuming that. My assumptions are based on the police chiefs statements and CB statements which appear to me to indicate she would want to see her grandchild. There's also the fact CB filed for custody of Baby K after the baby was taken away from PF upon his arrest. But I'll leave it at that. As gitana likes to say, reasonable minds may differ.

The question about what day her mother arrived is because I genuinely don't know and is unrelated to my other point.

 

[Trudie]

The question about what day her mother arrived is because I genuinely don't know and is unrelated to my other point.

I’m not Gardener but I’m loooking for info, I’m curious to,

 

[MyBelle]

Aren't they uprooting the child by having the child end up in Sandpoint, ID?

PF uprooted the child by taking her away from her mother and keeping her in his home. The State and the Judge has a duty to act in the child's best interest and did so. I applaud the decision. JMO

 

[greenpeace]

Interesting theory.

But how would CB have known about IN? Was IN even on the radar that early on in the investigation?

Possible that the rumor mill was going about PF+IN in the rodeo community far sooner than we knew. LE might have even told CB to present the PF+KB relationship that way, just to see what happens. So far I have liked this LE team on this case. We in Chicago need their help to figure out what happened to Kierra Coles (mail carrier).

 

[Gardener1850]

There was a photo the other day of LE outside her hospital in Twin Falls obtaining her time cards; your theory could certainly have been considered as well. Please post more and lurk less for us!

Unless there was another photo I'm not aware of, the photo of police cars was not at the hospital. The photo was taken at the courthouse/jail. The tweet wording with the photo was deceptive IMO to make people think LE were at the hospital at that time. They could have had her time cards already. See the previous conversation about it and compare the google streetviews to the tweet photo: Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #25 *ARREST*

The media sure is being sneaky and keeping us on our toes during this case!
MOO.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

The question about what day her mother arrived is because I genuinely don't know and is unrelated to my other point.

I don’t have links handy, but my recollection was that KBs brother posted something on SM about waiting at the airport for his mom. I thought this was before the story broke, but again this is from my memory and I could be wrong.

 

[Seattle1]

Interesting theory.

But how would CB have known about IN? Was IN even on the radar that early on in the investigation?

By the time CB began speaking publicly, good chance LE already had KB cell phone data and/or knowledge of the Idaho ping (and friend) allegedly 3 days after KB was killed. MOO

 

[skycountry]

I just had a thought, I wonder if LE tested those Cinnamon Rolls for drugs? I wiped the top of the tube of Banamine once with my finger, did not wash it off, and I got drowsy. So PF calls her for her to run to the store, enters her place, mixes animal drugs in the frosting, and when she gets back, she eats one and OD's. Could have happened. moo

 

[Seattle1]

I don’t have links handy, but my recollection was that KBs brother posted something on SM about waiting at the airport for his mom. I thought this was before the story broke, but again this is from my memory and I could be wrong.

I recall the same. It seems they were both enroute to WP, and he landed DIA before CB. MOO