CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #27 *ARREST*

[SoVeryMe]

I wish we knew more about the context of exchange between KK and her bff. (Add that to wish list of info) Was KK shocked and upset? Was she casual? Was she afraid? Or was she trying to feel her bff out to see what her reaction was. Maybe by the 3rd solicitation attempt KK had become more comfortable with the idea as the initial shock wore off and was more agreeable to helping PF plan, carry out or cover up the crime.

 

[mrstfs]

What is the time frame of this game of "telephone" . When were these folks told this story by the friend?

According to the article, October.

 

[wsliz123]

I just read the article being discussed.

I just. DO NOT UNDERSTAND. HOW SOMEONE COULD --HEAR--!!!!!!!!!!!! OF A POTENTIAL MURDER PRE HAPPENSTANCE AND NOT -----REPORT IT TO THE AUTHORITIES-----. ESPECIALLY IF THE PERSON HEARING ABOUT IT IS A LEGAL PROFESSIONAL. I JUST. HER LIFE COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED SO EASILY. A CHILD WOULD HAVE HER MOTHER. PARENTS THEIR DAUGHTER. A WOMAN HER LIFE. I JUST. DO NOT. UNDERSTAND. SO MANY PEOPLE FAILED KB.

I just want to scream. Are we surrounded by dumb people?

 

[PommyMommy]

What is the time frame of this game of "telephone" . When were these folks told this story by the friend?

• Date unknown: KK tells BFF that PF asked her to kill KB
• Oct 2018: BFF tells employer what KK said
• Dec 10: Presser where CB speaks
• Dec 15: Search warrants served in Idaho

1) The R's called the FBI after hearing CB say someone knows where she's at.

Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI
"“I think the mother that had the courage and go on TV when her daughter was missing, saying that someone knew where she was at,” Patty said. “At that point in my mind I thought that Patrick, and that was the only name I had heard him called, I didn't know his last name, had done something to her daughter and he knew where she was at.”

2) CB made that statement at the Dec 10 press conference:

New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho | East Idaho News
"“She is not the kind that runs off,” an emotional Cheryl Berreth said during the news conference. “This is completely out of character. She loves her God, her family, friends and her job. She is reliable, considerate and honest. Like I said – she doesn’t run off and someone knows where she is at.”

3) So, the R's would have contacted the FBI on or around Dec. 10. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Totally agree. And I think I’ve heard in order for a crime to happen there must at least be desire, skill, and opportunity. Did PF and KK share desire and skill? Did opportunity for some reason present itself over Thanksgiving? Why then? Just me thinking about lots of scenarios...

I believe that the motive was PF’s, and that initially, KK declined to participate in this crime.

I think that’s why it took three separate approaches on the part of PF, in order to get her to participate in some capacity.

Whatever he told her, she seems to have bought to a degree.

The question is, what specifically did she do to help him commit this crime?

And absolutely, why did he want Kelsey dead, and why did he chose that particular weekend to carry it out?

And where the hell is Kelsey?!

 

[zecats]

uh, he's a selfish, murderous, ? (can i say here?)

For now, at least. BBM

 

[karinbean_]

uh, he's a selfish, murderous, ? (can i say here?)

Yes, I’m aware. I’m asking why he would ask KK, a woman with a clean criminal record, to do it when he was fully capable himself. Perhaps she was jealous of his involvement with KB and would’ve been willing to do so if it meant a mixed family, happily ever after with PF. And what a catch he is (sarcasm). I don’t know how he landed KB unless he fed her lies online and she got hit with reality when she moved to CO. I’m honestly not sure what any of these women saw in him.

All speculating aside, this case is crazy and I long for the day KB is laid to rest and her family sees justice.

 

[jewelsmac]

Because it seems KK did not go to LE (after hearing about her best friend reporting this to her employers), KK has a great deal of explaining regarding her involvement.
To not approach LE when solicited, it has been stated is not a criminal offence, but anyone concerned morally would do this.

The fact that KK had been upset, when relaying the soliciting info to her friend, makes me think she had no part in the murder of Kelsey.
Perhaps KK's involvement occurred with only the phone transportation.
However, as KK was aware what happened to Kelsey and had not reported this to LE, after the event, charges I would think will result.
MOO.

Exactly. Its what she did AND what she knew, yes? It has been mentioned before here that even if you know someone is going to break the law, you are under no legal obligation to stop/report them (which still blows my mind). @riolove77 what is her obligation here?

 

[skyedaze]

While I definitely agree everyone who had any inkling about the SOL should have been screaming it from the rooftops and begging LE to put an immediate stop to it, we also have to recognize the sad reality in our country the domestic violence is often ignored and/or swept under the rug. So for everyone saying this could have been stopped...there is an equal chance that it would have been ignored. Sorry to throw water on everyone’s fire.

Agreed.
Well maybe a few more people will pay attention now.

 

[Jethro4WS]

What is the time frame of this game of "telephone" . When were these folks told this story by the friend?

October.

 

[jewelsmac]

• Date unknown: KK tells BFF that PF asked her to kill KB
• Oct 2018: BFF tells employer what KK said
• Dec 10: Presser where CB speaks
• Dec 15: Search warrants served in Idaho

1) The R's called the FBI after hearing CB say someone knows where she's at.

Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI
"“I think the mother that had the courage and go on TV when her daughter was missing, saying that someone knew where she was at,” Patty said. “At that point in my mind I thought that Patrick, and that was the only name I had heard him called, I didn't know his last name, had done something to her daughter and he knew where she was at.”

2) CB made that statement at the Dec 10 press conference:

New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho | East Idaho News
"“She is not the kind that runs off,” an emotional Cheryl Berreth said during the news conference. “This is completely out of character. She loves her God, her family, friends and her job. She is reliable, considerate and honest. Like I said – she doesn’t run off and someone knows where she is at.”

3) So, the R's would have contacted the FBI on or around Dec. 10. MOO

FREAKING OCTOBER?!!!

 

[Jazzy5980]

Totally disagree on that, respectfully. This couple did not come forward when they connected the dots...they only did so when their employee was harrassed. They did not come forward for KB or her mother or for Lil K.....but eventually for a harassed employee. A

With all due respect the couple came forward once they ‘put the dots together’ after seeing the press conference where CB discussed KB’s disappearance and plead for information regarding her disappearance. In other words — well before their employee started being harassed. Arguably the couple should have gone to LE. However, police likely would have placed little credence in a report based on double hearsay in the absence of last names and more specific identifying information. Sorry, I was unable link article and interview to this comment.

 

[jewelsmac]

October.

I mean...just..

 

[oviedo]

• Date unknown: KK tells BFF that PF asked her to kill KB
• Oct 2018: BFF tells employer what KK said
• Dec 10: Presser where CB speaks
• Dec 15: Search warrants served in Idaho

1) The R's called the FBI after hearing CB say someone knows where she's at.

Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI
"“I think the mother that had the courage and go on TV when her daughter was missing, saying that someone knew where she was at,” Patty said. “At that point in my mind I thought that Patrick, and that was the only name I had heard him called, I didn't know his last name, had done something to her daughter and he knew where she was at.”

2) CB made that statement at the Dec 10 press conference:

New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho | East Idaho News
"“She is not the kind that runs off,” an emotional Cheryl Berreth said during the news conference. “This is completely out of character. She loves her God, her family, friends and her job. She is reliable, considerate and honest. Like I said – she doesn’t run off and someone knows where she is at.”

3) So, the R's would have contacted the FBI on or around Dec. 10. MOO

Can this be added to the page 1 stuff on every thread? It’s very helpful IMO

 

[jewelsmac]

Yes, I’m aware. I’m asking why he would ask KK, a woman with a clean criminal record, to do it when he was fully capable himself. Perhaps she was jealous of his involvement with KB and would’ve been willing to do so if it meant a mixed family, happily ever after with PF. And what a catch he is (sarcasm). I don’t know how he landed KB unless he fed her lies online and she got hit with reality when she moved to CO. I’m honestly not sure what any of these women saw in him.

All speculating aside, this case is crazy and I long for the day KB is laid to rest and her family sees justice.

Sadly I think online dating was made for guys like him. He must've seemed awfully good on paper. Cowboy...probably sweet to her. Cowboy is essentially uniform. We know how so many women feel about guys in uniforms. She seems to have snapped out of it maybe...just a little to late. JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

FREAKING OCTOBER?!!!

Yes, and the employer asked the BFF to have KK come in and speak to them which she never did. The BFF said KK told her to "forget the whole thing." So the employers disregarded it.
MOO

 

[skyedaze]

With all due respect the couple came forward once they ‘put the dots together’ after seeing the press conference where CB discussed KB’s disappearance and plead for information regarding her disappearance. In other words — well before their employee started being harassed. Arguably the couple should have gone to LE. However, police likely would have placed little credence in a report based on double hearsay in the absence of last names and more specific identifying information. Sorry, I was unable link article and interview to this comment.

I already said ok and edited. keep reading..lots of pages to go.

 

[Mercedes]

Exactly. Its what she did AND what she knew, yes? It has been mentioned before here that even if you know someone is going to break the law, you are under no legal obligation to stop/report them (which still blows my mind). @riolove77 what is her obligation here?

Again, KK was not upset.

 

[mrstfs]

I’m confused as to why the Rs went to the media? How is that supposed to stop the harassment of their employee? Not being flippant, I just honestly need some help understanding this.

 

[srg]

I believe that the motive was PF’s, and that initially, KK declined to participate in this crime.

I think that’s why it took three separate approaches on the part of PF, in order to get her to participate in some capacity.

Whatever he told her, she seems to have bought to a degree.

The question is, what specifically did she do to help him commit this crime?

And absolutely, why did he want Kelsey dead, and why did he chose that particular weekend to carry it out?

And where the hell is Kelsey?!

I believe PF must have enticed her desire. He had something to offer her, possibly using “future faking” (e.g., you will get to run my ranch and we will host the biggest rodeos ever”) MOO.

Is it possible PF might have contacted KK after KB crime was done, in desperation and to get her help in cleaning up the scene?

Maybe I’m totally off on these things, but these scenarios occurred to me.
All this MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

Can this be added to the page 1 stuff on every thread? It’s very helpful IMO

I dunno - question for the mods, so I flagged it.