CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[enelram]

Also, being the somewhat paranoid person I am, I think the most challenging part of it would be trying to remain anonymous so that I don’t put myself or family members at risk. After all, we’re talking about ratting out a premeditating murderer or two here.
___________________________posted by allboys

Speaking from experience, I can tell you that remaining anonymous is often not possible even if you were promised
anonymity by LE. People leak info even when it can endanger
others.

 

[Elley Mae]

KB is 5'3" and 110 pounds.
PF is 6'3" and 205 pounds.

She wouldn't have had a chance to get away if he overpowered her.

It would be interesting to know more about their relationship in the past two or three months, if he had been sleeping over, or if the relationship had cooled off, and PF was just there to see the baby. It is also significant that KB purchased a 2 bedroom townhouse in May, I wonder why PF was not living there, or why they didn't purchase a larger house together.

Would be interesting to know if KB had been dating anyone.

I know criminals have been convicted without a body, it would be interesting to see what evidence is available regarding the death of KB.

I have wondered who this is.

Woodland Park police announced on Saturday there is a $25,000 reward “for information that leads to the location or safe return of Kelsey Berreth.”

Heavy Equipment Spotted At Frazee Home, $25,000 Reward Offered

 

[Mudflap]

KB is 5'3" and 110 pounds.
PF is 6'3" and 205 pounds.

She wouldn't have had a chance to get away if he overpowered her.

RSBM

KB is obviously smaller than PF, but I'll bet she'd have fought like a wildcat and have left marks if PF tried to overpower her face to face.

 

[The Farm]

And then I am thinking, how many people during the course of a day might say about their ex "I want to kill him/her". But it does not happen nor do they mean it.
All the R's had was an employee that said what she said but to their knowledge it could have just been bad words in passing and they had no idea who PF or KB even were. To me it is a tough call and I do not blame the R's at all. The knowledge just was not there.
Now if they had talked directly to KK then maybe things would have been different but the employee was a "friend". We know nothing about how she handles herself or situations. She could have over reacted to things and that is why maybe the R's asked her to ask KK to come talk to them. To see if this was a real deal?
They did end up contacting LE once the pieces started to come together and that this DID happen andf at that point it was all they could do.
I see no reason whatsoever to put any blame on them at all.....JMO

 

[makayla]

I would like to know when people started discussing this on FB ... how did that happen? Who initiated any comments about the solicitation to murder plot? Why would people feel it’s right to discuss it on FB, but not report it to LE? It’s a very complex case as to how many people were aware of this plot. It sickens me no end thinking that there was even one person who potentially could have prevented this. I’m not on FB so I haven’t read anything that was posted - I’m horrified that anybody would post or chat about anything so serious, and not do the right thing to save someone’s life.

As to the couple giving the interview, I was surprised to hear they are a law firm ... what????? I’m glad they finally spoke up, but shouldn’t they of all people know how to contact LE about the news they heard from their employee? I know there has to be certain proof before something can be investigated, but for heavens sake, this is a murder plot we’re talking about, so figure out any way you can to report it immediately!

 

[justaparent]

KB’s disappearance took place 700 miles from the Idaho location. If PF‘s phone had not contained calls connected to that area (speculation that it did), and if the pings hadn’t occurred there, her disappearance might not have lead anyone in that direction.

These people are not bright. Horrible, but not bright. The investigation could have stalled out in Colorado if they had not left so many clues. PF might still have been arrested, but it sounds like LE’s connection of the dots leading to Idaho took him out.

I can’t find the link but one article mentioned that PF was arrested four days after the couple called the FBI. I don’t see that in the text of the original story so perhaps I’m wrong - I believe it was part of a headline leading to the story.

 

[Elley Mae]

And then I am thinking, how many people during the course of a day might say about their ex "I want to kill him/her". But it does not happen nor do they mean it.
All the R's had was an employee that said what she said but to their knowledge it could have just been bad words in passing and they had no idea who PF or KB even were. To me it is a tough call and I do not blame the R's at all. The knowledge just was not there.
Now if they had talked directly to KK then maybe things would have been different but the employee was a "friend". We know nothing about how she handles herself or situations. She could have over reacted to things and that is why maybe the R's asked her to ask KK to come talk to them. To see if this was a real deal?
They did end up contacting LE once the pieces started to come together and that this DID happen andf at that point it was all they could do.
I see no reason whatsoever to put any blame on them at all.....JMO

True. About a year & 1/2 ago I was present for a conversation and then was told if I told what I heard that “I’ll f-n kill you if you tell. I did tell 3 ppl what was said to me. I’m still here.

 

[makayla]

I just wanted to add that I put the full blame on PF and KK .... PF because he wanted and plotted to have KB murdered, and KK because she should have reported this to LE the first time PF solicited help from her. I have no sympathy for her whatsoever. JMHO ...

 

[Elley Mae]

I just wanted to add that I put the full blame on PF and KK .... PF because he wanted and plotted to have KB murdered, and KK because she should have reported this to LE the first time PF solicited help from her. I have no sympathy for her whatsoever. JMHO ...

Me neither.

 

[BingoBongo]

I would like to know when people started discussing this on FB ... how did that happen? Who initiated any comments about the solicitation to murder plot? Why would people feel it’s right to discuss it on FB, but not report it to LE? It’s a very complex case as to how many people were aware of this plot. It sickens me no end thinking that there was even one person who potentially could have prevented this. I’m not on FB so I haven’t read anything that was posted - I’m horrified that anybody would post or chat about anything so serious, and not do the right thing to save someone’s life.

As to the couple giving the interview, I was surprised to hear they are a law firm ... what????? I’m glad they finally spoke up, but shouldn’t they of all people know how to contact LE about the news they heard from their employee? I know there has to be certain proof before something can be investigated, but for heavens sake, this is a murder plot we’re talking about, so figure out any way you can to report it immediately!

I haven't seen anything, anywhere, that suggests people knew about, or were discussing, the solicitation on FB prior to KB going missing, or being murdered. Where are you getting this info?

 

[Madison418]

I would like to know when people started discussing this on FB ... how did that happen? Who initiated any comments about the solicitation to murder plot? Why would people feel it’s right to discuss it on FB, but not report it to LE? It’s a very complex case as to how many people were aware of this plot. It sickens me no end thinking that there was even one person who potentially could have prevented this. I’m not on FB so I haven’t read anything that was posted - I’m horrified that anybody would post or chat about anything so serious, and not do the right thing to save someone’s life.

As to the couple giving the interview, I was surprised to hear they are a law firm ... what????? I’m glad they finally spoke up, but shouldn’t they of all people know how to contact LE about the news they heard from their employee? I know there has to be certain proof before something can be investigated, but for heavens sake, this is a murder plot we’re talking about, so figure out any way you can to report it immediately!

Those are my thoughts. I have never once in my life had someone tell me that they have a friend that was asked to kill someone and if someone had said that to me, I would immediately go to LE. This wasn't a "ugh, my baby's mother is driving me so crazy I could strangle her" type deal. This is a person who told her friend she was specifically asked to kill her boyfriend's "fiance". These are very very different in my opinion.

ETA- Of course the full blame lies with PF for actually committing the crime. At the same time, I'm bewildered about all these people that knew about a plot against this poor woman and no one spoke up

 

[oviedo]

A lot of discussion on this last night - thread #27 but this was a really good synopsis by Pommy
Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #27 *ARREST*

• Date unknown: KK tells BFF that PF asked her to kill KB
• Oct 2018: BFF tells employer what KK said
• Dec 10: Presser where CB speaks
• Dec 15: Search warrants served in Idaho

1) The R's called the FBI after hearing CB say someone knows where she's at.

Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI
"“I think the mother that had the courage and go on TV when her daughter was missing, saying that someone knew where she was at,” Patty said. “At that point in my mind I thought that Patrick, and that was the only name I had heard him called, I didn't know his last name, had done something to her daughter and he knew where she was at.”

2) CB made that statement at the Dec 10 press conference:

New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho | East Idaho News
"“She is not the kind that runs off,” an emotional Cheryl Berreth said during the news conference. “This is completely out of character. She loves her God, her family, friends and her job. She is reliable, considerate and honest. Like I said – she doesn’t run off and someone knows where she is at.”

3) So, the R's would have contacted the FBI on or around Dec. 10. MOO

 

[oviedo]

If the R's contacted LE around Dec 10 - I just think now that I know this - it's the reason for the long, complicated story comment from awhile ago. This is not a simple killing of the SO like we have seen so many times on WS - this is a plot with many players and I expect more to be named because apparently, some people talk. JMO

 

[makayla]

I haven't seen anything, anywhere, that suggests people knew about, or were discussing, the solicitation on FB prior to KB going missing, or being murdered. Where are you getting this info?

I don’t have any information because I’m not on FB, but I have seen references that the employee was being harassed on FB, which is why I’m asking if anyone knows when the harassment or discussions started on FB. Did they only start once KB was reported missing or murdered?

 

[The Farm]

Those are my thoughts. I have never once in my life had someone tell me that they have a friend that was asked to kill someone and if someone had said that to me, I would immediately go to LE. This wasn't a "ugh, my baby's mother is driving me so crazy I could strangle her" type deal. This is a person who told her friend she was specifically asked to kill her boyfriend's "fiance". These are very very different in my opinion.

ETA- Of course the full blame lies with PF for actually committing the crime. At the same time, I'm bewildered about all these people that knew about a plot against this poor woman and no one spoke up

As of right now at this moment we do not know exactly what PF said to KK or how he said it.
But I agree KK should have went to LE definitely because I do not think this was a one shot conversation. They talked to each other and probably often.
I am curious to know exactly what was said along with what had been going on between PF & KK though as in what did PF say?

 

[Noharg]

Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI
“Then on Sunday the Rockstahl family explains what they were told about Krystal’s alleged trip to Colorado that led investigators to execute search warrants here in Idaho.”

Is this interview some twisted spin campaign?

ETA “interview”

 

[BingoBongo]

I don’t have any information because I’m not on FB, but I have seen references that the employee was being harassed on FB, which is why I’m asking if anyone knows when the harassment or discussions started on FB. Did they only start once KB was reported missing or murdered?

My impression was that it was after the fact that the harassment started. People can be idiots, and FB seems like the perfect breeding ground for that. Sad, and stupid.

 

[oviedo]

I don’t have any information because I’m not on FB, but I have seen references that the employee was being harassed on FB, which is why I’m asking if anyone knows when the harassment or discussions started on FB. Did they only start once KB was reported missing or murdered?

last nights' thread had quite alot of references about this employee's support of KK and the backlash that came from it - IMO the support had to come AFTER KK was identified, otherwise why harass the employee? and if this is true - she actively supported her friend with prior knowledge of the plot and that is not good IMO. MSM so far is just reporting the R's side of things so we don't really know anything other than their reason to speak was their employee was harassed? Is this it?

 

[Celt1997]

Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI
“Then on Sunday the Rockstahl family explains what they were told about Krystal’s alleged trip to Colorado that led investigators to execute search warrants here in Idaho.”

Is this interview some twisted spin campaign?

ETA “interview”

I saw that, too. What a terrible "view" grab by the station/interviewer.

 

[susiQ]

It made me ill to learn that the bff of KK told two more people about this and it was just ignored. Having said that, other members here have stated that even if they went to LE it is likely nothing could have been done. That's sickening in and of itself.

I have nothing against this couple, but the timing of this "revelation" to me is somewhat suspect as others here have suggested. Preemptive damage control, IMHO. Coming out to look like "whistleblowers"? Give me a break. I don't buy it. The information they had may have changed the course of events. Even if LE had done nothing, bff could have somehow alerted SOMEONE to the POSSIBILITY that someone was planning to harm her. Even if she didn't believe it, at least someone did something.

Of course, PF is the guilty party in her death, but KK and bff could have acted. I'm guessing KK knew he was serious, especially after the third solicitation. Bff defending her on SM? Doesn't surprise me she got harassed. KK is neck deep in this.

And, to top it off, MSM is going to air this bit by bit? To what end? To make them look better? Obviously there is more to this terrible tale. Should they be talking at all?? First, they do nothing to follow up on the info from bff that may have changed the course of events and now they are speaking publicly and may jeopardize a high profile investigation?

I will reserve any further comment pending what else they have to say.