CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[skyedaze]

I wholeheartedly agree with this post.

There is absolutely no way of knowing whether it would have made one single whit of difference had the R's or KK's friend contacted LE. We'll never know.

I'm sure the unanswerable, "What if I had called LE?" question will haunt both the R's and KK's friend for a long, long time. I actually feel quite badly for them. JMO.

The blame lies elsewhere and needs to be laid solely/wholly/entirely at the feet of the individual(s) who actively planned and executed the murder.

I do think that had KK reported the solicitation attempt(s) to LE and/or contacted KB to alert her to the danger that PF posed to her, KB would still be alive.

IMO, the only individuals who could have prevented KB's murder are PF and KK.

I do not disagree with what you are saying at all. And after sleeping on it and re-reading/rewatching the video I can see that I misinterpreted a portion of the interview.

I think what people are expressing is the frustration that, yet another window of opportunity to make a difference for KB was wasted. Was it their responsibility...no...but most people on this site are not bystanders in life. We take notice of the little odd details...the details that indeed can make a difference. And when we see these small details, but they are missed elsewhere, we get very frustrated. It seems this couple even feels this now, although after the fact. I sensed regret. That's a shame. I'm sure now they wish they had maybe asked a few more questions, or taken more interest at the start, or wonder if there was anything else they could do to have LE take a look. Sometimes that extra question or extra moment can make all the difference, but it didn't happen this time. But that did not happen and now we will ever know for sure....only that there was a tiny window of opportunity and while we may have noticed the importance at the time, they did not for whatever reason.

 

[Blueberry2720]

Slightly OT - curious - does anyone know why the threads on this forum get locked every night now? I don't see any others get "closed for the night".

 

[MsBetsy]

What do you mean they had no clue? They knew that an employee was aware that a woman had been asked to murder the mother of a young child. Even average people know that is morally and ethically outside the boundaries of normal social behavior.

I'm sure they wish they could have done something. They suggested the friend ask KK to come and speak to them, which she never did and then told her friend to forget about it. We don't know what their conversation was. Maybe KK told her the guy was just joking around.
Without a name, a location, or any specific details for that matter I don't see what LE could do.
Of course now that we know what happened it's easy to criticize them for not taking any action. Maybe when the friend came back and told the employer whatever it was that KK told her, it was enough to make them think there was no real intention to harm someone. Imo

 

[cluciano63]

The media is disgusting using Kelsey’s murder as a cliffhanger for ratings...not crazy about these “whistle blowers” either.

 

[Love Never Fails]

If their employee was questioned by police, she may have brought their names up.....maybe?

Or could be she was posting on social media about going to them and it got around town, or LE saw it.

 

[skycountry]

I'm sure that investigators and the prosecutor are listening very carefully with an eye to charging this couple with some sort of related offense. Indeed, it may not be possible, but the information they share will benefit the prosecution's position regarding premeditated murder.

However, that information could have waited until trial, and there is no good reason for this information to be shared today unless this couple has been exposed and they want to defend their decision to do nothing.

I seriously doubt it is about "them". imo

 

[cluciano63]

I might have felt foolish but I still would have called police and explained what little I knew. Even I could probably have found PF's name at that point, before the Internet was erased etc...and at least given that, plus KK's name, and hoped for the best. If I had done that much, and LE had ignored me...then I might want to report that to the media...but why this couple is "out there" now, presumably against LE's wishes imo...is beyond me.

 

[jaspermac]

Slightly OT - curious - does anyone know why the threads on this forum get locked every night now? I don't see any others get "closed for the night".

They don't want us staying up too late and getting cranky the next day. LOL

 

[skycountry]

She or anyone can be arrested at any moment.

IMO, they are holding out for info to locate KB remains.

 

[MassGuy]

IMO, they are holding out for info on KB remains.

I doubt it’s that. They had enough evidence to charge PF with murder, despite not having Kelsey’s body.

There would be no reason that the lack of a body would prohibit further charges involving other players in this.

They’re waiting for something, but it ain’t the body.

Probably more evidence.

 

[Love Never Fails]

IMO, they are holding out for info on KB remains.

I think only PF or the third party knows where Kelsey is now.

 

[Yellow Rose]

I’m in the boat with those that feel like there’s nothing to be done about it now though we know it had the chance to save her life. Maybe we should move past this for now and concentrate on other ways to help? I personally think this couple has gotten far more publicity than deserved.

 

[jewelsmac]

Slightly OT - curious - does anyone know why the threads on this forum get locked every night now? I don't see any others get "closed for the night".

Because we Can’t be trusted?

 

[Trudie]

So it sounds like you are saying, in either instance (attorney/client, or not) that it should have been reported. It was about a crime (solicitation for murder), it was about a potential future crime, and one that would result in death. So attorney/client privilege wouldn’t be there to stop them from reporting it. And, as a/any responsible citizen, it should have been reported, even if the employee wasn’t a client....

Truthfully, as I see it, if anyone had a duty to report, it was KK. The nurse with the details.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I doubt it’s that. They had enough evidence to charge PF with murder, despite not having Kelsey’s body.

There would be no reason that the lack of a body would prohibit further charges involving other players in this.

They’re waiting for something, but it ain’t the body.

Do you think there is a body to be found? So many rumors about that. You have to wonder how depraved PF is and what he did with her. (Guess I have CW on my mind)

 

[Trudie]

Because we Can’t be trusted?

Ita

 

[Elley Mae]

I thought that there was a screenshot that shows the date and time?

On the screen of the suv at the window the date and time on the screen that was visable to me, blocked1/24/2018 11:1?.13 iirc.

 

[cluciano63]

Slightly OT - curious - does anyone know why the threads on this forum get locked every night now? I don't see any others get "closed for the night".

For mods to sleep...a shame for us night owls and insomniacs...but some crimes make people crazy...rumors flying etc

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

Slightly OT - curious - does anyone know why the threads on this forum get locked every night now? I don't see any others get "closed for the night".

We are a bunch of naughty children who can't be trusted to behave ourselves.

 

[MsBetsy]

So it sounds like you are saying, in either instance (attorney/client, or not) that it should have been reported. It was about a crime (solicitation for murder), it was about a potential future crime, and one that would result in death. So attorney/client privilege wouldn’t be there to stop them from reporting it. And, as a/any responsible citizen, it should have been reported, even if the employee wasn’t a client....

I thought she said they could only reveal the information if there were specific details about a crime that would occur in the future, which, according to what they said, they did not have. Imo