CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[Sabrina1011]

I haven't seen anything, anywhere, that suggests people knew about, or were discussing, the solicitation on FB prior to KB going missing, or being murdered. Where are you getting this info?

There were never any specifics, just names, sleuthing of the friend and her daughter with the tattoo parlor, and vague suggestions of being involved somehow or helping.

 

[gitana1]

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The R's said they are telling their story now after their employee faced harassment on social media due to misinformation circling around.
Idaho couple say they called the FBI after hearing about the 'plot' to kill Kelsey Berreth | Daily Mail Online

Yes but that's not why they contacted the FBI. Otto made a comment about why did they just get involved once their employer was harassed on FB. (Or something to that effect). But that's not why they contacted the FBI. That happened recently and is why they claim they went to the media. But not why they got involved to begin with.

Two different things.

 

[Noharg]

Delete repeating myself

 

[Hatfield]

what are people’s thoughts on the takeaway from the interview that PF asked KK (aka IN) to kill KB. Why ask a woman who’s allegedly linked to you intimately to kill the mother of your child?

JMO
My thoughts about that is that PF is a coward wanting someone else to do his dirty work.

And Im still not sure who actually killed KB. One, the other, or both.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Kinda hard to do when you don’t know Patrick’s last name.

Hindsight is 20/20. But, in theory, they could have contacted Twin Falls Police and told them the name of their employee and what she told them. In turn, Twin Falls police could talk to the employee and she could tell them the name (KK) and then they could talk to KK asking her who Patrick is, who the mother of his child is. After that, if police thought there was something to look into they could have contacted Teller County Sheriff's office and/or Woodland Park, police. So, it isn't as if they had to learn who Patrick was to do something.

But like I said, hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Sddaisy25]

Kinda hard to do when you don’t know Patrick’s last name.

They had all of KKs info. One call to LE and police could have spoken to KK and gotten PFs info. The R's and KK's friend had more than enough information in October to have gone to LE. They chose to do nothing.

 

[girlhasnoname]

what are people’s thoughts on the takeaway from the interview that PF asked KK (aka IN) to kill KB. Why ask a woman who’s allegedly linked to you intimately to kill the mother of your child?

I would have to think he felt like she might have been receptive to it or knew of a person or persons who would be?? From the reports in MSM, they've known each other for years. I think it's reasonable that you would know the caliber of person you are speaking with by this time. For some reason, PF seems to have felt comfortable having this covo with KK.

JMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

what are people’s thoughts on the takeaway from the interview that PF asked KK (aka IN) to kill KB. Why ask a woman who’s allegedly linked to you intimately to kill the mother of your child?

I can’t even get into the mind of PF. Insane is the only word I can think of. Criminally insane to ask this of anyone or consider it yourself. Put yourself in KK’s place. She had to know PF didn’t care for her at all. How could he ask this of her? Right now I can only believe she is as mean and low down as PF is. What is shocking to me is the friends sticking up for KK.

 

[MKZoo]

We don't know what was said specifically. By the time you get to the R's you are hearing about it as 3rd hand information.

Yes. I’m hoping to listen to the rest of the interview and assess it from there.

At the moment, however, it sounds like the R’s employee related a somewhat non-specific story told to her by KK. They asked to have KK talk to them directly, I assume so they could gauge for themselves what was really going on. KK refused to do that and told everyone to forget it.

Given that fact set, I’m not sure I’m ready to say the Rs “knew there was a murder plot” and just ignored it. It’s just as likely that after all of that they concluded that they’d been pulled in to some strange drama between the two women and that was all it was.

If more detailed information comes out, I certainly might reconsider but for now I’m very uncomfortable condemning these people.

Imo.

 

[Charlot123]

But did they know who she was? Did the BFF or this couple know Kelsey or her name? The couple appearsnot to have because they only had the name Patrick and put it together after the fact. So they said.

They are professionals. No professional would give advises/opinions without speaking to the client. What they, I assume, did, was to offer KK free consultation, via their employee/her friend. Had she shown up, they'd get the firsthand information and likely, persuade her to call LE, or do it on her behalf. At least this is how I view it.

I assume the only thing they could have done differently would be persuading their employee to call LE, if her story sounded believable. But we were not there to witness the conversation.

 

[Mercedes]

KB’s disappearance took place 700 miles from the Idaho location. If PF‘s phone had not contained calls connected to that area (speculation that it did), and if the pings hadn’t occurred there, her disappearance might not have lead anyone in that direction.

These people are not bright. Horrible, but not bright. The investigation could have stalled out in Colorado if they had not left so many clues. PF might still have been arrested, but it sounds like LE’s connection of the dots leading to Idaho took him out.

I can’t find the link but one article mentioned that PF was arrested four days after the couple called the FBI. I don’t see that in the text of the original story so perhaps I’m wrong - I believe it was part of a headline leading to the story.

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[The Night Watchman]

KMVT asked Patty if she considers herself a hero. She said "no."

This kind of cut through me. Maybe the interviewer is looking for a hot take, but I was embarrassed for having listened to such an absurd question. At no point in the short clip of the interview was I wondering about a "hero". And then for Mrs. R to answer the question as if it was legitimate...

Not trying to bury the Rs, but a woman was murdered. The natural reaction should be to acknowledge what happened and express a level of regret that they didn't come forward when it mattered. I think that would have cast the Rs in a better light.

We all make mistakes. Most mistakes don't have consequences. The mistake of not following through on this information had serious consequences.

 

[Snow Flower]

To ask a woman who is calling you “her boyfriend,” to kill your baby momma, shows disregard for that woman and the woman you want killed, JMO. Sounds like KK was in a love Addiction situation to me. PF was her drug and she couldn’t go cold turkey off of him. For most women that would be a HUGE red flag, and a reason to never speak to the man again.

 

[susiQ]

But did they know who she was? Did the BFF or this couple know Kelsey or her name? The couple appearsnot to have because they only had the name Patrick and put it together after the fact. So they said.

I don't think they would have known KB's name, but couldn't they just have inquired further and ask bff what PF's last name was? I just feel they could have done something to give someone, anyone a heads up

 

[enelram]

Damage Control and a young woman is dead.
Too little too late. Live with it.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes but that's not why they contacted the FBI. Otto made a comment about why did they just get involved once their employer was harassed on FB. (Or something to that effect). But that's not why they contacted the FBI. That happened recently and is why they claim they went to the media. But not why they got involved to begin with.

Two different things.

This^

 

[dixiegirl1035]

RSBM But really, who wouldn’t have gone to LE at that point? There can’t be that many Patrick’s out there wanting the mother of their child dead and/or actually having a mother of their child who is now (assumed to be) dead. Or at least I hope not!

KK and BFF, that's who

SMDH

ETA- @gitana1 and to the lawyers on this thread, if one or both of them had given money to them and hired them and retained as their lawyers, could the lawyers have spoken out, or would they have been protected by attorney-client privilege?

 

[girlhasnoname]

KMVT asked Patty if she considers herself a hero. She said "no."

This kind of cut through me. Maybe the interviewer is looking for a hot take, but I was embarrassed for having listened to such an absurd question. At no point in the short clip of the interview was I wondering about a "hero". And then for Mrs. R to answer the question as if it was legitimate...

Not trying to bury the Rs, but a woman was murdered. The natural reaction should be to acknowledge what happened and express a level of regret that they didn't come forward when it mattered. I think that would have cast the Rs in a better light.

We all make mistakes. Most mistakes don't have consequences. The mistake of not following through on this information had serious consequences.

Yes absolutely this, and the whole 'interview by snippets' thing reeks of poor decision making imo.

 

[gitana1]

From R's interview: "If we could've just gotten the police to call or drive by and say 'Are you thinking of killing someone?' that would've stopped it," said Joe Rockstahl. "We wouldn't be here. We wouldn't have all of this going on."

"KMVT asked Patty if she considers herself a hero. She said "no." She more considers herself a whistleblower and hopes anyone else with information to this case, or other crimes, has the courage like she did to come forward."

- um, you could have gotten the police to call or drive by IF you would have called them in October when you first learned of the solicitation for murder. And, I agree...you are NOT a hero, because a hero WOULD have called police in October, and Kelsey might still be alive. I just can't even fathom not attempting to notify the police. The Rs may not have know PF's last name, but their employee had all the info LE needed. All three of them had a responsibility to Kelsey to report this immediately.

Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI

I think they're talking in retrospect. I mean they didn't even know anything but the name Patrick. I agree they should've called but perhaps they didn't think much of it until they saw CB on tv and put it together. "On no. There was a murder of a gal in CO. Her fiancée is named "Patrick". There is an Idaho connected.!"

 

[cluciano63]

What is the harm in reporting it, even if LE had rolled their eyes and put the report in a drawer? At least you would have tried. And maybe LE would have poked around, figured out who Patrick was, thus who Kelsey was...and let her know. Jmo