CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[Esma]

Well, that's very interesting because I don't think they could possibly be releasing this information about her without her written permission.

They sound very much like they are a PR firm representing her.

I expect a photo shot of KK in a frilly white dress, picking daisies, with blue flowers in her hair, next

I agree.

 

[Herat]

I'll bet the R's are pissed as hell that Jayme Closs's brave escape and the arrest has completely stolen their thunder and will take over the media now for weeks.

Serves them right.

 

[Herat]

That story won't fly anymore with the R interview, from he BFF.

As much as I wanted to believe that KK couldn't be complicitly involved in this, I am hard pressed to believe anything else.

She's now looking at:

1. Conspiracy to commit murder

2. Accessory to first degree murder before the fact

3. Accessory to first degree murder after the fact.

If these are proved by LE, she's looking at life sentence in prison.

This interview by the R's is inept and grossly publicity-serving. I think CB should be able to sue them in the name of KB and Baby K for any monies they received from this, plus damages

 

[Noharg]

Well, that's very interesting because I don't think they could possibly be releasing this information about her without her written permission.

They sound very much like they are a PR firm representing her.

I expect a photo shot of KK in a frilly white dress, picking daisies, with blue flowers in her hair, next

Exactly! With the Rs in the background holding a flower basket.

 

[BingoBongo]

This whole case just gets more convoluted and strange each day.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Right? I can see Pf's attorney's having a field day with this. Hopefully she kept enough evidence to, and he left enough evidence that she isn't left holding the whole bag. Only because PF deserves life imprisonment as well, other than that she made her own bed...

They both do.
Kelsey is dead,an innocent child motherless at 15 months old.
Berreth family devastated.
Why. Because Perfect Little Rodeo Queen, and Mr. Cowboy wannabe.
MOO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Right? I can see Pf's attorney's having a field day with this. Hopefully she kept enough evidence to, and he left enough evidence that she isn't left holding the whole bag. Only because PF deserves life imprisonment as well, other than that she made her own bed...

Beautifully written by the way (above)

Thank you. It's very hard for me to not just let fly, and get bumped off.

 

[Charlot123]

Two concerns

From the CBC article,

Asked what they heard was Frazee's motive, Patty said, "That he felt that Kelsey was going to harm the child, that she was crazy."

Concern 1.

To me, if this statement is true, in the meaning that KK heard these words from PF, the implication is totally opposite. KB was sane.

I wonder, however, if PF is mentally ill and very paranoid. A grave danger to be in the society, to be let out. Ever. And if he had really killed before, it has to be investigated. MOO - it might be a serious statement.

The population of Florissant is 104 people. Today the student body in Woodland Park High is 782. It is unranked. Here is a little bit about students' performance.

https://www.usnews.com/education/be...strict-no-re-2/woodland-park-high-school-4377

Is that possible that in an underperforming school, in a tiny city, Patrick's severe emotional problems had been missed?

Quite possibly. People here pointed out at the way he treated the dogs. I am not a dog breeder, I would not know. But someone might review the YouTube movies and say what he thinks. And maybe I was wrong at discounting the opinion of the person accusing him of maltreatment of the horses. It all might be very, very serious.

Concern 2. MOO.

KKL did not love PF, and he did not have a hold on her. To participate in such a crime for your lover, no matter to what degree, means, to love with abandon. There are many examples of it in history. But usually such love implies standing by your beloved till the end. Not giving him up. Not talking.

KKL is very scared. She is now getting it. What I see here, in this situation, is some adolescent high. Teenagers might attack random people, or someone they know, in groups. They do it to test their power over the world. But - they are teenagers.

How did two very adult people, both with kids, could partake in a crime?

Immaturity and mental issues in a 32-year old man are less shocking than immaturity in a 32-year old mother of two kids. MOO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

It’s possible PF asked KK to do it, and later told her to forget about it and she rationalized it and wrote it off. It’s possible PF didn’t do the job. It’s possible KK knows this because she was with him all the time and is his alibi. It’s possible once she realized KB was missing and PF didn’t do it, she realized she was also at risk of disappearing. It’s possible he planted the phone on her as a warning. It’s possible someone else entirely had the phone, and the ping so close to her was terrifying, because she assumed the killer was out there and close to her. It’s possible she was threatened with death or harm to herself and loved ones. It’s possible she didn’t go to LE, out of fear. It’s possible she did go to LE. There’s too much we don’t know.

Hmmm do you know her?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

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She's now looking at:

1. Conspiracy to commit murder

2. Accessory to first degree murder before the fact

3. Accessory to first degree murder after the fact.

If these are proved by LE, she's looking at life sentence in prison.

This interview by the R's is inept and grossly publicity-serving. I think CB should be able to sue them in the name of KB and Baby K.

I'm thinking I was very wrong about them maybe putting up the reward money,and feeling bad,about what happened to Kelsey.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Hmmm do you know her?

Sounds like spin mode to me.

 

[Herat]

Exactly! With the Rs in the background holding a flower basket.

And little lambs scampering about.

Yeah. These interviews are wretchedly nauseating

 

[Herat]

Two concerns

From the CBC article,

Asked what they heard was Frazee's motive, Patty said, "That he felt that Kelsey was going to harm the child, that she was crazy."

Concern 1.

To me, if this statement is true, in the meaning that KK heard these words from PF, the implication is totally opposite. KB was sane.

I wonder, however, if PF is mentally ill and very paranoid. A grave danger to be in the society, to be let out. Ever. And if he had really killed before, it has to be investigated. MOO - it might be a serious statement.

The population of Florissant is 104 people. Today the student body in Woodland Park High is 782. It is unranked. Here is a little bit about students' performance.

https://www.usnews.com/education/be...strict-no-re-2/woodland-park-high-school-4377

Is that possible that in an underperforming school, in a tiny city, Patrick's severe emotional problems had been missed?

Quite possibly. People here pointed out at the way he treated the dogs. I am not a dog breeder, I would not know. But someone might review the YouTube movies and say what he thinks. And maybe I was wrong at discounting the opinion of the person accusing him of maltreatment of the horses. It all might be very, very serious.

Concern 2. MOO.

KKL did not love PF, and he did not have a hold on her. To participate in such a crime for your lover, no matter to what degree, means, to love with abandon. There are many examples of it in history. But usually such love implies standing by your beloved till the end. Not giving him up. Not talking.

KKL is very scared. She is now getting it. What I see here, in this situation, is some adolescent high. Teenagers might attack random people, or someone they know, in groups. They do it to test their power over the world. But - they are teenagers.

How did two very adult people, both with kids, could partake in a crime?

Immaturity and mental issues in a 32-year old man are less shocking than immaturity in a 32-year old mother of two kids. MOO.

It doesn't really matter in the eyes of the law that KK was besotted since high school with PF and that he told her KB was dangerous.

The hard cold hand of the law will strip away all the fluff and sentence these two killers to prisons, likely for life for the both of them.

 

[BingoBongo]

I read, somewhere, maybe have been here(?) that PF had made claims, as had his family, that KB was Bi-Polar, and/or had other mental/emotional health issues. In addition to his claims that she would "disappear" for periods of time.

It sounds to me, as though he was setting this up for some time, telling KK the same. Fairly common for narcissists, they begin the "discard" phase of a relationship by bad mouthing their SO to anyone who will listen so at the end, they can say "see why I ended it?" And if the discarded person tries to out them and their behavior, they are labeled as "crazy" and "unstable".

IMO, PF's family knew A LOT...I think they had seen his behavior toward animals, toward women, maybe toward some of them...but being he is family, and they probably were conditioned to accept his actions, they brushed it off as "Patrick being Patrick".

I'd love to know more of the F families dynamics.

Edited to add - I know it's hard to believe (for those who have never been involved via family, or romance) but these guys have a certain "hold" on some people. I've had lots of discussions, on-line and off, with men and women who've been in relationships, or related to, narcs who are or close to being dangerous. The stories I hear most often incl. the words and terms;"evil", "control", "I was living in a fog", etc. Like pedophiles, they seek out those most vulnerable and they work at "grooming" them. *This is not to imply I am trying to excuse KK's actions (or lack of), but as a possible explanation for them.

 

[Trudie]

She was so scared of him that she took time off work, arranged child care, filled her car with gas and headed down to Colorado to do who knows what. Are we supposed to believe this?

And, has time to drive thru Sonic.

Guess R’s couldn’t wait for their story to air Sunday, huh?

 

[Herat]

I can tell you that KK will never work again in that hospital and will never allowed to work in any facility where she handles dangerous drugs.

Who on earth wants someone as unstable as lovelorn little KK injecting drugs into patients?

Even if fully aquitted of any involvement, no future employer is ever going to allow her near any IV or dangerous oral medications.

 

[Herat]

I read, somewhere, maybe have been here(?) that PF had made claims, as had his family, that KB was Bi-Polar, and/or had other mental/emotional health issues. In addition to his claims that she would "disappear" for periods of time.

It sounds to me, as though he was setting this up for some time, telling KK the same. Fairly common for narcissists, they begin the "discard" phase of a relationship by bad mouthing their SO to anyone who will listen so at the end, they can say "see why I ended it?" And if the discarded person tries to out them and their behavior, they are labeled as "crazy" and "unstable".

IMO, PF's family knew A LOT...I think they had seen his behavior toward animals, toward women, maybe toward some of them...but being he is family, and they probably were conditioned to accept his actions, they brushed it off as "Patrick being Patrick".

I'd love to know more of the F families dynamics.

Yes, the Narcissism is very strong with PF.

The love bombing (both KB and KK), the gaslighting, the discard phase. KK sounds like the perfect empath, too

 

[jaspermac]

It will be interesting to know what scared looked like to KK after Nov 22. She should have been even more afraid. Will they find she was going out with friends, leaving her children with a babysitter or ex-husband. Were her kids still going to the park and going to their sports games. If you are going to try and set up a story, at least put a little effort into making it believable.

 

[Ultra Violet]

Maybe it’s just me but this couple has never met KK — info must be coming from the BFF or others. For some reason, to me, it sounds like damage control for KK. It will take a lot to change my mind.

No call to law-enforcement from KK when KB was threatened over a period of time. And again no call when her own child was threatened. The latter is difficult to swallow. I don’t buy the stories. Time will tell, I hope.

Oh, I agree! It is new tidbits we have not heard before, but seems to be filled with flimsy excuses and hearsay. I cannot figure out the R’s motive for doing all this right now.

As others have said, Patrick is clearly a liar. Now that we know they have had a very long relationship and hearing her alleged side of things, it is hard not to view KKL as a liar, too.

Are they testing our public opinion to see how KKL would fare with a jury?

MOO!

 

[Charlot123]

I read, somewhere, maybe have been here(?) that PF had made claims, as had his family, that KB was Bi-Polar, and/or had other mental/emotional health issues. In addition to his claims that she would "disappear" for periods of time.

It sounds to me, as though he was setting this up for some time, telling KK the same. Fairly common for narcissists, they begin the "discard" phase of a relationship by bad mouthing their SO to anyone who will listen so at the end, they can say "see why I ended it?" And if the discarded person tries to out them and their behavior, they are labeled as "crazy" and "unstable".

IMO, PF's family knew A LOT...I think they had seen his behavior toward animals, toward women, maybe toward some of them...but being he is family, and they probably were conditioned to accept his actions, they brushed it off as "Patrick being Patrick".

I'd love to know more of the F families dynamics.

Edited to add - I know it's hard to believe (for those who have never been involved via family, or romance) but these guys have a certain "hold" on some people. I've had lots of discussions, on-line and off, with men and women who've been in relationships, or related to, narcs who are or close to being dangerous. The stories I hear most often incl. the words and terms;"evil", "control", "I was living in a fog", etc. Like pedophiles, they seek out those most vulnerable and they work at "grooming" them. *This is not to imply I am trying to excuse KK's actions (or lack of), but as a possible explanation for them.

BBM. I 100% agree. Without blaming them (because of course we don't want to admit our kids'/sibs' issues), I am wondering how much they noticed.

On the other hand, Patrick fed them the information. So everything he said about KB can be safely discounted at this point. Also, KB functioned pretty well, both professionally and as the new mom.

ETA: I don't see KK's vulnerability that could be exploited. She was a popular girl in school (from MSM), a popular woman in her town, a Rodeo Queen, what not. And while we always remember our first love, there is a reason it is "the first" one. She was as spoiled as he was and probably, enabled his delusions.