CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #29 *ARREST*

[girlhasnoname]

And it's just said so....casually.... as if there was nothing wrong with having the phone of a murdered woman in your possession, 700 miles away from her home.

As if there was a rational explanation for having this very very personal item of a woman who was your romantic rival and the woman your boyfriend had asked YOU to murder?

What can LE possibly be thinking of this situation.....

^ THIS^

 

[NCTeacher]

And it's just said so....casually.... as if there was nothing wrong with having the phone of a murdered woman in your possession, 700 miles away from her home.

As if there was a rational explanation for having this very very personal item of a woman who was your romantic rival and the woman your boyfriend had asked YOU to murder?

What can LE possibly be thinking of this situation.....

Which leaves me with one question, why in the absolute name of all that is holy has KK not been charged? There is no way she hasn't committed a crime here if she had possession of Kelsey's phone. Which clearly she did because A) employee told them so B) employee was KK's bff C) phone pinged in Gooding, Idaho.

 

[kay74]

Sorry, I didn't see this article when I read back. If it was posted before, then I apologize.

Patrick Frazee threatened to hurt daughters of Idaho nurse involved in Kelsey Berreth murder investigation; Krystal Lee believed Frazee may have killed before: Report

The couple believes that Frazee asked Lee three times to murder Berreth, and also asked her to help dispose potential evidence, allegedly threatening her.

“Patrick told Krystal that little girls go missing off the playground all the time,” Patty told CBS News.

“Krystal was so scared, he was so angry that he said things that made Krystal think he had killed before,” Joe said.

OMG What is wrong with this guy! Holy Moley! Poor Kelsey, she did not know this guy at all.

 

[MassGuy]

Which leaves me with one question, why in the absolutel name of all that is holy has KK not been charged? There is no way she hasn't committed a crime here if she had possession of Kelsey's phone. Which clearly she did because A) employee told them so B) employee was KK's bff C) phone pinged in Gooding, Idaho.

She must be cooperating, and at this point, her crime appears to be being an accessory after the fact.

I could see them giving her immunity for that, but hope that if her involvement was greater than that, she is charged.

 

[Kapua]

Which leaves me with one question, why in the absolute name of all that is holy has KK not been charged? There is no way she hasn't committed a crime here if she had possession of Kelsey's phone. Which clearly she did because A) employee told them so B) employee was KK's bff C) phone pinged in Gooding, Idaho.

Have we established for a fact that KK actually had KB's phone? I know the Rs said she did, but prior to that we'd only heard that LE was investigating whether a woman had taken KB's phone to ID.

 

[Herat]

Only if
A) Her page was public. There are two options: public or private. Even friends of my friends can't see what is posted on my page.
B) Kelsey was friends with her, KK, or someone else they knew that could pull her page up and look right at it.

Now B is interesting---I now wonder if Kelsey had mutual friends with any of these people--or worse, was friends with any of these people.

What about if PF was friends with KB, and also KK & "others".

Or KB was friends with people in the Rodeo circuit other than PF, due to PF's association with them

KB strikes me as very trusting, and as CB states, they were "engaged" and anticipating a life together.

 

[tiffay001]

None of which informs me that PF knew that KK was in WP over Thanksgiving.

Assumption only: According to CBS or the R's telling CBS, KK is cooperating with the FBI. That must be why she has a lawyer, and LE/FBI is still investigating and using SW's. If for example only, KK provided details about where to search for evidence in KB's townhome claiming PF murdered her, that information implicates KK as present at the scene, but it is only KK's statement about PF implicating him.

My reasonable doubt meter on the case against PF was at Swiss cheese level in prior threads, but it is on Tilt at this point. I can easily see a scorned woman doing all of this, perjaps with some unknown helper. I hope LE/FBI have not made a deal only to find out they chose the devil. I have already mentally tossed one solicitation charge against PF because I believe the foundation is R's- BFF employee - KK as related in the first R interview what BFF told them in October - I see it as a fabrication by KK. If this goes to trial against PF, KK is already the worst possible sort of witness and any incompetent lawyer will make mincemeat out of her nonsense.

Cui bono?

This is exactly what I have been thinking from day one, when this started I felt like perhaps this could be the case. I just can’t not shake the feeling that PF might not been AS involved as has been reported.

 

[enelram]

Which leaves me with one question, why in the absolute name of all that is holy has KK not been charged? There is no way she hasn't committed a crime here if she had possession of Kelsey's phone. Which clearly she did because A) employee told them so B) employee was KK's bff C) phone pinged in Gooding, Idaho.

how do we know she isn't in custody w/ FBI? We know it's
been FBI investigating her role in this.
FBI wouldn't need to name her on any jail roster if she's
in custody but incognito.

 

[MassGuy]

Have we established for a fact that KK actually had KB's phone? I know the Rs said she did, but prior to that we'd only heard that LE was investigating whether a woman had taken KB's phone to ID.

No, it has not been stated for a fact.

All indications are that it is true though.

 

[NCTeacher]

OMG What is wrong with this guy! Holy Moley! Poor Kelsey, she did not know this guy at all.

I question whether he really threatened this. As a mother, who is KK's age (so I'm assuming we have the same maturity level, but I could be wrong ), my actions subsequent to such a threat would've been: cutting off all contact with this guy, changing my phone number, never traveling to his neck of the woods again, alerting teachers of my child/possibly changing my child's school/daycare, etc.

There is no way this guy would continue to be the "love of my life" once he threatened my child. I also would never have put myself in the position of having to dispose of his dead baby mama's phone.

I think either KK told her bff this to garner sympathy or the bff made it up to protect her friend.

 

[Herat]

OMG What is wrong with this guy! Holy Moley! Poor Kelsey, she did not know this guy at all.

As awful as this is, the source for this is KK

So, there is a doubt in my mind about EXACTLY what the communication with PF was.

There are a lot of reasons for KK to try to throw blame back on PF.

But in the end, PF was not a good guy and took huge advantage of a fine woman, most likely killing her. PF certainly does sound like he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

 

[Herat]

She must be cooperating, and at this point, her crime appears to be being an accessory after the fact.

I could see them giving her immunity for that, but hope that if her involvement was greater than that, she is charged.

And the details the R's are describing seem to be extremely inappropriate at this time and possibly calculated to contaminate a jury pool

 

[jaspermac]

She must be cooperating, and at this point, her crime appears to be being an accessory after the fact.

I could see them giving her immunity for that, but hope that if her involvement was greater than that, she is charged.

I agree and have been worried about immunity. I asked one of the lawyers on the site- re it taking so long to arrest and she felt that it was still highly likely KK would be charged. So I felt better about that. She also reminded me LE doesn't make the deal they only recommend it to the DA, so she is co-operating in good faith- probably. My guess is this case is so convuluted the LE are following up every lead so that they don't make the mistake of giving her a plea or immunity when they could find out a month down the road her involvement was greater. I think they are following every lead down and the DA will make a decision once they are confident. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

This is exactly what I have been thinking from day one, when this started I felt like perhaps this could be the case. I just can’t not shake the feeling that PF might not been AS involved as has been reported.

Legally it won’t matter. They’d both be looking at first degree murder if he asked KK to kill Kelsey, and she complied.

I don’t think that’s the case though, as if KK was that directly involved, she’s be charged by now.

 

[MassGuy]

And the details the R's are describing seem to be extremely inappropriate at this time and possibly calculated to contaminate a jury pool

They’re ill timed and innapropriate, but I don’t think that’s the goal.

If it is the goal, it is destined to failure.

The jury is going to be privy to everything, and some tv comments by these people won’t effect the case.

 

[NCTeacher]

What about if PF was friends with KB, and also KK & "others".

Or KB was friends with people in the Rodeo circuit other than PF, due to PF's association with them

KB strikes me as very trusting, and as CB states, they were "engaged" and anticipating a life together.

I can't go onto my facebook page right now (due to the computer I'm using), but I'm pretty sure that for your actual page (facebook wall) the only options are public and private. As for others sharing your posts/pictures, you can choose for it to be public, friends only, friends of friends, and me only.

If my memory is serving me correctly, if someone posted "Hey Kelsey, where are you?" on her page, her friends would see it, but not Joe who is friends with PF, but not her.

But, if somebody named Sally was friends with KB, Sally could click on KB's facebook and hand KK, the employee, random people at the hospital, the Rs, the device and let them scroll through and read everything on Kelsey's page.

Which, as you point, out is making me wonder who all was friends with Kelsey on fb and if any such posts where made.

 

[Herat]

None of which informs me that PF knew that KK was in WP over Thanksgiving.

Assumption only: According to CBS or the R's telling CBS, KK is cooperating with the FBI. That must be why she has a lawyer, and LE/FBI is still investigating and using SW's.

Cui bono?

The R's claim that they have never met KK. I cannot imagine they can have a signed agreement to represent her in a murder case if they have never actually met her in person to discuss the representation.

If they are not her contracted legal representation, then what attorney would allow this stuff of their's to be put on MSM?

They act more like PR representatives, but are they also affiliated with her legal representation? The DA will have something very severe to say about that when she goes to trial.

This is what is so very confusing.

 

[Peppermint Patty]

DOH.
This Rodeo just keeps getting crazier by the day,and the players are supplying their own rope to hang themselves with.

I completely agree! This case is so convoluted. Seems every other day some crazy thing comes out. I just don't believe that KL is all that innocent. It's possible she is just that naïve when it comes to PF, but I just can't jump on that train. MOO, she needs to be charged with a few crimes. Aiding and abetting, conspiracy, withholding information, destroying/concealing evidence, etc.

I would also think that her BFF could testify against her for immunity for what KL told her. She sure seems to know a lot about the situation from early on.

 

[mcrazingwill]

But...they were a couple, according to her mom. Have we decided to dismiss that?

I don't think we are dismissing that. I think that switching the child back and forth really doesn't have anything to do with what their relationship status was. They didn't live together and I'd assume that both parents wanted time with the baby.

 

[NCTeacher]

how do we know she isn't in custody w/ FBI? We know it's
been FBI investigating her role in this.
FBI wouldn't need to name her on any jail roster if she's
in custody but incognito.

I actually thing it's more of...

They know he solicitated the murder, but they're unsure who the actual murderer is at this point and are still investigating. Which explains why his preliminary hearing was pushed back. They know he solicited, but they aren't sure if the witnesses they are interviewing have given all the information accurately. Given that he solicited, it sounds like he didn't want to do the dirty work himself, and my hunch is he didn't.