CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[AgeofAquaruis]

http://www.goodingidaho.org
Never heard of Gooding Idaho so I looked it up,and found this.
Seems like a very lovely place.

 

[Gardener1850]

First one. I think that they’re worried that it will cause people to stop looking, as they will be inclined to believe that she just had an episode or walked off to commit self harm.

It’s a bit like how the DA didn’t want those autopsy results released in the Watts case, as people would speculate that SW was drunk when she arrived home.

It wasn’t true, but it would cause issues.

Dang it all, MassGuy you pushed me off the fence last night and now you are trying to pull me back up there.

I just got over my initial thoughts this could be another case a religious family in denial about their daughter struggling with mental health issues. I'll try to keep an open mind, but I'm firmly in the foul play camp right now. And here's why-- if KB had any secret mental health issues or substance abuse issues, how does that explain PF's behavior and actions? Even if PF and KB had broken up months ago, I would expect him to react to her disappearing and possibly harming herself by appealing for her to come back. I would expect him to be at the presser or release a statement that showed some concern and emotion. This is the mother of his child. Whatever she is to him in recent days, weeks or months should not change his reaction. I don't care if she cried non-stop or drove him away with a vice she was struggling with. Only 2 years ago he loved her enough to have a baby with her. If he thought she harmed herself or ran away willingly I would expect a caring statement of concern for her from him. I would expect it from his family as well. I would expect to see his LE connected family members pulling strings and offering resources to help find her, not contacting the media to have their names removed from the story. I would not expect them to trash KB by airing any dirty laundry, but I would expect an appeal and cooperation-- posting her missing flyer, showing up at vigils, comforting her family, offering to do anything and everything to help find her. etc. Silence and inaction speaks volumes. As does the hiring of one of the top criminal defense attorneys in the state. MOO.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

That is what I am wondering, If something happened after PF left kelsey's house after picking up the baby or if she did not show up for the planned dinner with PF and child.



Jmo.

I have read many MSM articles and no where have I found it definitely stated that PF picked the baby up at Kelsey's house. The article I'm linking below, which was written yesterday, says that "Patrick Frazee, Berreth's fiancee, told police he met up with Berreth later that Thanksgiving Day to pick up their daughter, but details about that meeting have not been revealed."

I really hope law enforcement has processed both of Kelsey's vehicles because there is an off chance someone else may have returned one of the vehicles to her property making it look as if Kelsey returned safely home when she never did.

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[AgeofAquaruis]

I'm also somewhat surprised that a reporter or three hasn't contacted Doss for a comment regarding what their policy is for requesting time off. Or maybe one has and got no response or a "no comment".

I doubt they can legally say anything,and I'm sure they are cooperating with investigators.

 

[Tillicum]

There's been a lot of discussion about their living arrangement and some have suggested that their relationship wasn't too good but KB led her mom to think things were okay so she wouldn't worry. It's also been suggested that he wasn't as committed to the relationship as she was. While I think all this could be true, I keep remembering Teleka Patrick and wondering if KB might've been seeing things differently than they actually were IYKWIM. It was actually the actions of KB's family that reminded me of the early days when Teleka disappeared.

 

[LietKynes]

Just out of nosiness.... are there any neighbors' of Kelseys' who'd have sec. cams showing when she arrived home that day ?

And from Gardeners' post # 629 : I didn't know the fiance had connected LE family members.
Possibly that was reverenced before and I missed it ? This thread is galloping along....

 

[Gardener1850]

If she's that religious it's weird she had a kid out of wedlock IMO.

Not really. These things happen. I think it shows she stuck to her faith that she had the baby and planned to marry the father. And it seems her parents loved her enough to not judge her for a past indiscretion. That's what genuine Christians I know do as they practice their faith-- show love, not contempt. It's not about being perfect in all your actions-- no one is perfect. At first I worried KB might have a strained relationship with her mom over the baby, but the more I have seen of her mom's interviews the more I see she really loves KB and wants the best for her just as any other mom. And KB's brother is married to a man and seems to be accepted in the family as well. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Yes. It would be a small circle. How many spouses or significant others would know the first and last names of their spouse's/SO's supervisor or HR contact. I know I wouldn't. That is why I would like to know if the contact that the message went to was a specific person or a generic destination.

Right, but in this day and age, many people her age text their co-workers and bosses on a regular basis so anyone could look for a thread of work related texts on the phone and figure it out most likely.

 

[MassGuy]

Dang it all, MassGuy you pushed me off the fence last night and now you are trying to pull me back up there.

I just got over my initial thoughts this could be another case a religious family in denial about their daughter struggling with mental health issues. I'll try to keep an open mind, but I'm firmly in the foul play camp right now. And here's why-- if KB had any secret mental health issues or substance abuse issues, how does that explain PF's behavior and actions? Even if PF and KB had broken up months ago, I would expect him to react to her disappearing and possibly harming herself by appealing for her to come back. I would expect him to be at the presser or release a statement that showed some concern and emotion. This is the mother of his child. Whatever she is to him in recent days, weeks or months should not change his reaction. I don't care if she cried non-stop or drove him away with a vice she was struggling with. Only 2 years ago he loved her enough to have a baby with her. If he thought she harmed herself or ran away willingly I would expect a caring statement of concern for her from him. I would expect it from his family as well. I would expect to see his LE connected family members pulling strings and offering resources to help find her, not contacting the media to have their names removed from the story. I would not expect them to trash KB by airing any dirty laundry, but I would expect an appeal and cooperation-- posting her missing flyer, showing up at vigils, comforting her family, offering to do anything and everything to help find her. etc. Silence and inaction speaks volumes. As does the hiring of one of the top criminal defense attorneys in the state. MOO.

I absolutely agree, there are too many suspicious actions here to discount foul play.

I’m still leaning that way, just not as confident as I usually am in cases like this.

I was watching a true crime documentary recently. A woman was murdered along her jogging route.

Her husband refused to talk to police, refused a search of her vehicle, and immediately lawyered up.

It turned out that she fell prey to a serial killer, and he wasn’t involved at all.

I think that’s colored my view a bit, and has caused me to waiver a bit here.

Him not filing a missing person’s report, no vehicles missing, that weird text message, and that Idaho ping, keep me on the foul play side though.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

So her family is quite religious but okay that her brother is gay? Or am I misreading some of these news reports and posts?

This is relevant, because if they're not as buttoned up as some people have suggested, then Kelsey may not have been "acting" with the whole fiance thing. A few posts have suggested that having a fiance may have been a front to appease the families. If her brother is gay and her family is fine with that, it doesn't follow that they would care that much whether she was getting married to her daughter's father or not. Of course, people are not always logical (I had a relative who was fine with homosexuality but not with mixed-race relationships!).

My family IS very religious, but I don't think religion plays as big of a role in how I filter info with them as just old fashioned pride and desire to have some privacy to be honest. If I had broken up with my fiancé, and thought it was permanent, I'd tell my parents. If it was "complicated,"I would wait to fill them in until I knew more about how it was going to shake out... Not because they are religious, but because I wouldn't want to worry them, wouldn't want to bias them against a person I might stay with, wouldn't want to appear to have failed in the relationship unless it was irreversible.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

True but none of her friends checked, the neighbors didn't check, nobody at work checked, his mother didn't check, he didn't check, her mother didn't check. All these people. Just blows my mind

If we found the phone, we might discover that all those people checked. All we know for sure is SHE (or someone using her phone) texted 2 people on the 25th. We don't know how many people texted her or how many times. I'm not saying it's likely, but for all we know, the fiancé could've texted her dozens of times before and after... We just don't have that information.

 

[alucardsdream]

If we found the phone, we might discover that all those people checked. All we know for sure is SHE texted 2 people on the 25th. We don't know how many people texted her or how many times. I'm not saying it's likely, but for all we know, the fiancé could've texted her dozens of times before and after... We just don't have that information.

We don't even know for sure that she was the person with her phone...it could have been anyone.

 

[Kelsey's Aunt]

Fiancé of Mom Who Vanished on Thanksgiving Speaks out via Attorney: I'm Praying for Her Return

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I know his behavior is weird but maybe there is something that explains it- the same something which makes it possible for nobody to request a welfare check or file a police report for almost 2 weeks. If I left for that long and didn't contact anybody, even if I told them I would be gone for a while, this is not what would happen.

Something that explains it...I've got a few thoughts...

--He has something to hide.
--He's not really her fiancé and knows it's not really his rightful place to go to the presser and pretend to be. Nor is it helpful for him to call her a liar and a phony in front of the world...especially if she happens to be struggling and emotionally vulnerable or unstable
--He knows where she went and knows he didn't kill her, but feels anything he would say about her behavior would make her look bad or kick her when she's down.

 

[mustloveco]

Just out of nosiness.... are there any neighbors' of Kelseys' who'd have sec. cams showing when she arrived home that day ?

And from Gardeners' post # 629 : I didn't know the fiance had connected LE family members.
Possibly that was reverenced before and I missed it ? This thread is galloping along....

I live a block away and went looking and didn't see any on neighbors home

 

[oviedo]

If we found the phone, we might discover that all those people checked. All we know for sure is SHE texted 2 people on the 25th. We don't know how many people texted her or how many times. I'm not saying it's likely, but for all we know, the fiancé could've texted her dozens of times before and after... We just don't have that information.

Technically we only know the phone texted we don’t know who sent them but by now they have the cell records and know who was calling and texting by now IMO

 

[oviedo]

Fiancé of Mom Who Vanished on Thanksgiving Speaks out via Attorney: I'm Praying for Her Return

So sorry this is happening for your family - it looks like People picked up the same statement

 

[Kelsey's Aunt]

Kelsey Berreth Case: What to Know About the Missing Colorado Mom Last Seen on Thanksgiving Day

 

[Seattle1]

Just out of nosiness.... are there any neighbors' of Kelseys' who'd have sec. cams showing when she arrived home that day ?

And from Gardeners' post # 629 : I didn't know the fiance had connected LE family members.
Possibly that was reverenced before and I missed it ? This thread is galloping along....

PF named family in LE was published yesterday afternoon in the Gazzette (CoSprgs since 1872) but by evening, that paragraph was deleted from the online article.
Fiance of missing Kelsey Berreth voluntarily releases cell phone, DNA sample to law enforcement

 

[Ccging]

Kelsey Berreth Case: What to Know About the Missing Colorado Mom Last Seen on Thanksgiving Day

Interesting...in this clip it mentions the ping and they say “but investigators did not find her there”. So they did look into it more....

 

[Hatfield]

I think if I texted in saying that I'd be off for a week, my manager would follow up with a phone call. We are supposed to arrange absences in advance and have them approved. Sick time/emergencies would be different, and I could email in.

JMO
That text to her employer is one of the reasons I am really concerned for her because of the exact reasons you mention.

Most all employers would want a two way conversation about that since it sounds like it was unexpected and not planned in advance.

Not many employers would be ok with an employee just texting them that they are going to be gone a full week and not want at least a two way conversation about it.

In fact I know many employers if they got a text like that and no further word from the employee ever came and there was not breaking news about the person missing then the employer would probably wait a few days and text them back something like this:
"Dont bother coming back."