CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[Jennifer17]

Oh God, what have I done.

This is like the “yellow bike” analogy I made in the Jayme Closs thread.

I should know better.

I was mocking the lawyer when he talked about the fiancé not speaking to the media because he didn’t want to “impede the investigation.”

One bad joke and I have to make 3 posts to correct it. My bad.

Quick, someone bring up cinnamon buns again.

Nope. I heard that the buns have lawyered up. No more info from them.

 

[PommyMommy]

Due to HIPPA laws the institution cannot verify if someone is a patient without a consent from the patient unless the patient has been involuntarily detained.

Well, we just saw it happen in another case. Mother missing, friend went to the clinic where she knew her friend had an appointment and clinic told her that her friend did not show up for her appointment. No consent, patient had already been murdered. MOO

 

[BRRI]

My take -if this case deviates from what seems to be obvious- is that she and PF are no longer together and she is seeing someone else. LE could intentionally be leaving those details out, wanting it to seem like everyone believed her to still be with PF, to throw off the perp. That would explain why she was dropping off her daughter...wanting her to spend the holiday with family rather than a new man. Could also explain why she wasn’t reported missing very quickly...planned trip with a boyfriend?

There are too many missing details for me to think that LE has absolutely no idea what is going on. The only other thing that seems logical would be that a stranger abducted her.

 

[moonlessnight]

correct. LE would halt the investigation, but with no explanation.

They can tell law enforcement, but they can't tell anyone else (friends, family, news media, etc.) without informed consent on the part of the patient.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Oh God, what have I done.

This is like the “yellow bike” analogy I made in the Jayme Closs thread.

I should know better.

I was mocking the lawyer when he talked about the fiancé not speaking to the media because he didn’t want to “impede the investigation.”

One bad joke and I have to make 3 posts to correct it. My bad.

Quick, someone bring up cinnamon buns again.

The truth is that PF doesn't want to speak to the media because if it's found out he mislead law enforcement or the media he could be charged with obstuction of justice for impeding the investigation. So it's better to say nothing. I've seen this many times before.

 

[BRRI]

A year-old baby isn't going to be an active participant in selecting a Christmas tree. iow, it is a chore to take an infant shopping. The idea that PF would want to do it alone with the baby is another indication that he was making excuses to keep KB away. JMO

Agree. Please show me a man who willingly wants to venture out with a young toddler alone to a store, much less chopping down a tree. I found that whole statement extremely odd

 

[moonlessnight]

some health care workers do not comply with HIPPA effectively. they never should have told her that from a patient privacy perspective.

Well, we just saw it happen in another case. Mother missing, friend went to the clinic where she knew her friend had an appointment and clinic told her that her friend did not show up for her appointment. No consent, patient had already been murdered. MOO

 

[Charlot123]

Dang it all, MassGuy you pushed me off the fence last night and now you are trying to pull me back up there.

I just got over my initial thoughts this could be another case a religious family in denial about their daughter struggling with mental health issues. I'll try to keep an open mind, but I'm firmly in the foul play camp right now. And here's why-- if KB had any secret mental health issues or substance abuse issues, how does that explain PF's behavior and actions? Even if PF and KB had broken up months ago, I would expect him to react to her disappearing and possibly harming herself by appealing for her to come back. I would expect him to be at the presser or release a statement that showed some concern and emotion. This is the mother of his child. Whatever she is to him in recent days, weeks or months should not change his reaction. I don't care if she cried non-stop or drove him away with a vice she was struggling with. Only 2 years ago he loved her enough to have a baby with her. If he thought she harmed herself or ran away willingly I would expect a caring statement of concern for her from him. I would expect it from his family as well. I would expect to see his LE connected family members pulling strings and offering resources to help find her, not contacting the media to have their names removed from the story. I would not expect them to trash KB by airing any dirty laundry, but I would expect an appeal and cooperation-- posting her missing flyer, showing up at vigils, comforting her family, offering to do anything and everything to help find her. etc. Silence and inaction speaks volumes. As does the hiring of one of the top criminal defense attorneys in the state. MOO.

Both KB and PF may have issues, each of own type.

What I was thinking about, I once looked at the list of psychiatric medications not allowed for private pilots. In short, one can not treat any mental issues when flying a plane, private or commercial. It does not imply that pilots don't suffer from mental issues, statistically it is possible, but treatment effectively ends their careers.

It has led to several tragic accidents, the latest one involving the second pilot of Germanwings.

But for our purpose, the problem the way I see it, if KB was depressed, or demoralized (and it is possible, statistically, and given her situation - a new mom, uprooted, poor social support system), with her job, seeking any treatment was prohibitive.

And it is very concerning.

 

[PommyMommy]

I was making a joke about what the lawyer might say. I should have substituted another word for mourning.

This is not an actual quote.

Shades of green motorcycles.
MOO

 

[BRRI]

The truth is that PF doesn't want to speak to the media because if it's found out he mislead law enforcement or the media he could be charged with obstuction of justice for impeding the investigation. So it's better to say nothing. I've seen this many times before.

Respectfully, if he was involved, obstruction of justice is the least of his worries

 

[Jennifer17]

My take -if this case deviates from what seems to be obvious- is that she and PF are no longer together and she is seeing someone else. LE could intentionally be leaving those details out, wanting it to seem like everyone believed her to still be with PF, to throw off the perp. That would explain why she was dropping off her daughter...wanting her to spend the holiday with family rather than a new man. Could also explain why she wasn’t reported missing very quickly...planned trip with a boyfriend?

There are too many missing details for me to think that LE has absolutely no idea what is going on. The only other thing that seems logical would be that a stranger abducted her.

Why do you assume that she is seeing someone else? That could be true for either party.

 

[MassGuy]

some health care workers do not comply with HIPPA effectively. they never should have told her that from a patient privacy perspective.

Thank God they didn’t listen.

Chris Watts’ evil plan crumbled as a result of her friend being informed that she missed her appointment.

 

[flute4peace]

Nope. I heard that the buns have lawyered up. No more info from them.

It’s the Pizza’s fault. Everything was going fine until the pizza decided to get saucey.

(I’ll see myself to the closet)

 

[KathrynL]

Emph. Mine

Wait, what ???

I'm questioning the words of his lawyer and maybe PF.
What strange wording.

WHAT "Mourning" ?? She hasn't been declared deceased, and LE haven't even stated a possible abduction.
One doesn't mourn when a person could possibly be missing of their own volition.
How would a grief stricken father of this baby and fiance of Kelsey impede a vigil by just appearing ? More like give some comfort to worried people.
Not to mention Kelsey's mother.

Mass Guy was not quoting an actual statement from PF's lawyer. He apparently deleted the post, I assume because many didn't seem to understand it was a bit of snark. This "mourning" thing is a non issue.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Hi, everyone! This is my first post on Kelsey's thread but I've been reading/lurking from the beginning. Two thoughts/questions...

Someone had posted Kelsey's Pinterest page early on and one thing that sticks out to me is her board for "Hangar Apartment". I'm wondering if her employer has a hangar apartment she may use sometimes instead of commuting back and forth, with potentially long hours as other's have offered. Her board could just be daydreaming something in the future, and completely irrelevant, but it did make me wonder. (I'm under the understanding that her social media boards are allowed but I'll delete if I am wrong!) Another thing that caught my attention is that she did some fancy capitalization on the title of her board For The Home OuTDooRs. She didn't do anything like that on the others. Could be nothing, but made me wonder if the initials TDR are important to her in any way?

https://www.pinterest.com/kelseyber...&invite_code=538d13e26fca4b0d84c3a3d69754a473

Also, I know it has not been mentioned at all in the media or by investigators, but I would be curious if PF had returned to Kelsey's townhouse at all since she's been missing. If the mom's account of their relationship is accurate, they seemed to have a fluid relationship where he may come and go often from her townhouse. It would just be interesting to know if he had gone back at all or not.

I am curious as to whether or not PF even had a key to her townhouse.

 

[moonlessnight]

and why wouldn't he be mourning, too, of they knew she was deceased?

I guess LE is just looking for the body before making an arrest and filing charges.

Emph. Mine

Wait, what ???

I'm questioning the words of his lawyer and maybe PF.
What strange wording.

WHAT "Mourning" ?? She hasn't been declared deceased, and LE haven't even stated a possible abduction.
One doesn't mourn when a person could possibly be missing of their own volition.
How would a grief stricken father of this baby and fiance of Kelsey impede a vigil by just appearing ? More like give some comfort to worried people.
Not to mention Kelsey's mother.

 

[alucardsdream]

some health care workers do not comply with HIPPA effectively. they never should have told her that from a patient privacy perspective.

The general rule of thumb is that hospitals won't volunteer information, but will respond to written requests from law enforcement. The only time we ever call the police ourselves is when it involves suspected child abuse. Some states require that gunshot wounds be reported as well. There are always exception...we had a nurse who saw a missing person poster on her way home from work and realized that the missing woman (who had dementia and didn't know her name) had been brought to the facility two days prior by an ambulance after someone found her on the street. Since she obviously couldn't give informed consent, we called the police to report that she was under our care.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Respectfully, if he was involved, obstruction of justice is the least of his worries

Try telling Sidney and Tammy Moorer that who are currently on the fence for further charges in the disappearance of Heather Elvis. Truth is, saying nothing is far better than missleading and diverting and investigation in the long run. That's what screwed them, cooperating, oh and lying!

ETA, I don't count on hearing a peep from PF. If I had to guess, he will plead the. fifth.

 

[Jennifer17]

some health care workers do not comply with HIPPA effectively. they never should have told her that from a patient privacy perspective.

So, what were they supposed to tell her when she rang and asked if her friend was ready to be picked up?
This is taking HIPPA to ridiculous levels.

 

[MyBelle]

I find the mother's demeanor odd. To put myself in her position I would be distraught, begging for help. She may just be different, but she seems very calm, no sense of urgency comes across. It's almost like she thinks someone is just hiding her somewhere.

She strikes me as fearful and apprehensive. Maybe she does think someone is hiding her daughter. Going more than a week and not knowing where she is and whether she is safe would rock the world of any caring parent. Young women have been abducted and held hostage. That was a theory in the Tibbetts case. JMO