CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[Steelslady]

For the first question it is my understanding that she had two vehicles and both were at her house when LE eventually realized she was missing.

For the phone pings join the club. LOL Very little was provided from LE and the most interesting thing is they mentioned what sounded like a last known ping was in Idaho. LE did not tell us much more about other pings before that. They did tell us there were two final texts. One sent to her employer and one sent to fiance.

BTW I did some research a long time ago on cell phone technology that exists to be able to track a phone while off and one way it can be done is with some purposely installed "Malware" that can be installed onto the phone to make it look like it is off to the user but the phone is really still on which allows it to be tracked. Just an interesting sidenote to share.

Another thing about the phone ping and texts, which has me alarmed- after those occurred, she went completely dark. No social media, no texts to family, friends, fiance or work to anyone since.

 

[worreewart]

How do we know KB and PF are engaged? Mom is reporting this, but PF has not confirmed. The baby is 15 mos, add 9 mos and they were a couple 2 years ago. Mom’s explanation that they didn’t get married yet because of financial reasons seems weak. KB bought her town home in that timeframe. And we have seen reports that as a farrier he makes good money. So why aren’t they married yet?

I doubt they are really engaged. I bet their only relationship is exchanging the baby. And I have seen reports that he has the baby more than her because of her work. So having the baby for long periods without talking to KB might not be unusual. Not every mom is totally committed to motherhood. There are plenty of mom’s who don’t dote over their kids.

And as religious as KB’s mom is, how do we know the engagement story wasn’t just something KB told her to mitigate the fact she was an unwed mother?

If they are not engaged, PF can’t come out now and say it because the court of public opinion would say he was lying to divert suspicion. But by NOT correcting it, he looks like a guy who didn’t really love his fiancé. He’s stuck now.

But if I were asked to bet on it, I would bet a whole paycheck that the engagement was a story KB told her mom to keep her off her back. We have absolutely no proof of it.

And the total lack of friends of KB, or even coworkers, who are in her life right now, means all we have are her mom’s “facts.” And she has no independent verification of what she knows.

My daughter was murdered when she was 22. She was shot along with another young lady by her ex-boyfriend. All the way through his trial, everyone portrayed her as good friends with the other victim. But that was not true. They were acquaintances at best. But the narrative was more interesting if they were friends and so that’s the story that was out there. But only the parties involved in a relationship will ever truly understand it. Not their friends or coworkers. And not their families. Everyone only knows what they are told. And I find it extremely telling that no one has come forward to corroborate the engagement story.

If PF hurt her, either by accident or on purpose, he should pay dearly. But... if he didn’t, then all those who have convicted him already should be ashamed that you didn’t spend more time actually looking for her. And I tend to think he didn’t do it.

 

[Bill Carson]

I remember seeing these articles & several others when my daughter expressed interest in applying to CSU Pueblo. I told her her she'd be better off in Boulder!
I just think it might be relevant since Kelsey worked in Pueblo. Seems violent crime is through the roof due to gang and black tar heroin problems.
Might be worth considering since she spent a lot of time there.

Why Pueblo has the highest per-capita homicide rate in Colorado – The Denver Post

Report: Pueblo ranked most violent city in Colorado

I had a daughter who attended CUBoulder. Boulder has plenty of danger. I would think that it would be easier to avoid dangerous places at CSUPueblo, but I haven't really been there to check it out. I'm so glad to done with Boulder.

 

[ventuc]

I completely understand the "why" as to getting a lawyer even if innocent. Can anyone remind me of a similar recent case where a SO "lawyered up" fairly quickly, avoided reporters, etc, and was indeed found to be innocent?

 

[kirkassoc]

They have video of her going into the store. Obviously, there's video of her coming out as well. That would be the last time she was seen on camera...not when she went in. There are usually cameras on the parking lots. What kind of car was she driving or did someone take her to the store (doubtful, as she would probably have left baby in car with them while she shopped).

 

[Gardener1850]

That makes me believe that LE wants help in finding the "where" she is, rather than needing outside help with the "who" ??? But wouldn't the who lead to the where ??? This whole case is one big ???

The "who" may point to "where" but if they don't have solid evidence of "how" or "what" or "why" then they might not be able to search the "where". JMO.

 

[sassyblue]

Its easy to go missing for a few hours to set up a rouse like sending a fake text. Its much harder to go missing for almost an entire day to drive 600 miles each way to do that. The people around you notice, you leave breadcrumbs. LE is looking for those breadcrumbs right now with the FBI. Those texts are the best chance they have right now.

BBM to emphasize your great point. And 600 miles is the distance as the crow flies between Woodland Park and Gooding, ID. The actual driving distance is 793-809 miles depending on the route the driver takes between the two. That's a long drive just to text a couple of people then turn around and go home.

 

[Elle*Bee]

How do we know KB and PF are engaged? Mom is reporting this, but PF has not confirmed. The baby is 15 mos, add 9 mos and they were a couple 2 years ago. Mom’s explanation that they didn’t get married yet because of financial reasons seems weak. KB bought her town home in that timeframe. And we have seen reports that as a farrier he makes good money. So why aren’t they married yet?

I doubt they are really engaged. I bet their only relationship is exchanging the baby. And I have seen reports that he has the baby more than her because of her work. So having the baby for long periods without talking to KB might not be unusual. Not every mom is totally committed to motherhood. There are plenty of mom’s who don’t dote over their kids.

And as religious as KB’s mom is, how do we know the engagement story wasn’t just something KB told her to mitigate the fact she was an unwed mother?

If they are not engaged, PF can’t come out now and say it because the court of public opinion would say he was lying to divert suspicion. But by NOT correcting it, he looks like a guy who didn’t really love his fiancé. He’s stuck now.

But if I were asked to bet on it, I would bet a whole paycheck that the engagement was a story KB told her mom to keep her off her back. We have absolutely no proof of it.

And the total lack of friends of KB, or even coworkers, who are in her life right now, means all we have are her mom’s “facts.” And she has no independent verification of what she knows.

My daughter was murdered when she was 22. She was shot along with another young lady by her ex-boyfriend. All the way through his trial, everyone portrayed her as good friends with the other victim. But that was not true. They were acquaintances at best. But the narrative was more interesting if they were friends and so that’s the story that was out there. But only the parties involved in a relationship will ever truly understand it. Not their friends or coworkers. And not their families. Everyone only knows what they are told. And I find it extremely telling that no one has come forward to corroborate the engagement story.

If PF hurt her, either by accident or on purpose, he should pay dearly. But... if he didn’t, then all those who have convicted him already should be ashamed that you didn’t spend more time actually looking for her. And I tend to think he didn’t do it.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm very sorry about your daughter.

 

[Kapua]

Yes- it could be as simple as KB told me on thanksgiving she was going away for a few days and then texted me later that she was going away longer than she originally thought and here is the message you can see for yourself. That is why I didn't report her missing... I didn't know she hadn't contacted her mother and there were rolls on the counter and her car was still home and the call was made from Idaho etc...

The facts that she hadn't contacted her mother, left tasty cinnamon rolls uncovered on the counter, and her two cars were still in her driveway are crucial to this case. Add to those her brother saying that she didn't take her suitcase or toiletries and it screams, IMHO, that she hadn't planned to be away for long.

 

[Hatfield]

Just a hunch here, but I believe she left on her own her own accord. People who walk away from their lives certainly do it without taking vehicles & personal belongings. Yes, even walking away from their children, regardless of the age. Planning to do this would take some planning. I would also imagine the time leading up to when you leave, you do normal things. I certainly hope she's alive.

JMO
I politely disagree because of all the days in a year if I was planning on running off and not letting family know I surely would not pick Thanksgiving Day or any other major holiday. For the obvious reason that usually there is contact between family members on the holidays and there was in this case too. Mom said she talked to her twice that day already before she identified she was missing in the days that followed.

 

[Celt1997]

They have video of her going into the store. Obviously, there's video of her coming out as well. That would be the last time she was seen on camera...not when she went in. There are usually cameras on the parking lots. What kind of car was she driving or did someone take her to the store (doubtful, as she would probably have left baby in car with them while she shopped).

Yeah, I'm really trying to figure out why we were only shown her entering the store. Guaranteed she appears on other cameras.

 

[Steelslady]

Well if the fiancee is not guilty of something he is certainly behaving in a stereotypical guilty way, and IMO that's what the mother is trying to tap dance around. . Ignore the press, ignore a press conference, don't show concern or anguish, hire a lawyer. For what? Why does he need protection?

Even if he just made a statement- a loving statement, through his lawyer, that would be fine. But there was nothing of the sort- no "I love you and miss you, Kelsey. Please call me or your Mom as soon as possible so that we know you are safe!" would at least showed that he cared about her. He doesn't have to do it in person.

 

[PrairieWind]

How do we know KB and PF are engaged? Mom is reporting this, but PF has not confirmed. The baby is 15 mos, add 9 mos and they were a couple 2 years ago. Mom’s explanation that they didn’t get married yet because of financial reasons seems weak. KB bought her town home in that timeframe. And we have seen reports that as a farrier he makes good money. So why aren’t they married yet?

I doubt they are really engaged. I bet their only relationship is exchanging the baby. And I have seen reports that he has the baby more than her because of her work. So having the baby for long periods without talking to KB might not be unusual. Not every mom is totally committed to motherhood. There are plenty of mom’s who don’t dote over their kids.

And as religious as KB’s mom is, how do we know the engagement story wasn’t just something KB told her to mitigate the fact she was an unwed mother?

If they are not engaged, PF can’t come out now and say it because the court of public opinion would say he was lying to divert suspicion. But by NOT correcting it, he looks like a guy who didn’t really love his fiancé. He’s stuck now.

But if I were asked to bet on it, I would bet a whole paycheck that the engagement was a story KB told her mom to keep her off her back. We have absolutely no proof of it.

And the total lack of friends of KB, or even coworkers, who are in her life right now, means all we have are her mom’s “facts.” And she has no independent verification of what she knows.

My daughter was murdered when she was 22. She was shot along with another young lady by her ex-boyfriend. All the way through his trial, everyone portrayed her as good friends with the other victim. But that was not true. They were acquaintances at best. But the narrative was more interesting if they were friends and so that’s the story that was out there. But only the parties involved in a relationship will ever truly understand it. Not their friends or coworkers. And not their families. Everyone only knows what they are told. And I find it extremely telling that no one has come forward to corroborate the engagement story.

If PF hurt her, either by accident or on purpose, he should pay dearly. But... if he didn’t, then all those who have convicted him already should be ashamed that you didn’t spend more time actually looking for her. And I tend to think he didn’t do it.

I am very sorry for your loss. I know that must be tragic. I think your post is right on point. I do think that PF did at one point also say the word "fiance'" however. That that doesn't invalidate your theory. I sort of had the same feelings. Maybe there had been engaged, but then they backed off and were fairly distant at this point and she just hadn't had the courage to tell her mom yet. It would explain a great many things regarding PF's behavior.

 

[azure]

I completely understand the "why" as to getting a lawyer even if innocent. Can anyone remind me of a similar recent case where a SO "lawyered up" fairly quickly, avoided reporters, etc, and was indeed found to be innocent?

I’ve been here since 2005 (I think!) and I can’t think of one. Maybe that Australian case that wound up being a suicide where the mom was found in the ocean by a cliff? Can’t remember her name or if husband actually got a lawyer.

 

[1mtroyal]

Is there a map anywhere on the internet showing the location where the phone was located? I am sure the police have checked out if there were any UPS, USPS or Fedex vehicles in the area. If this was a diversion, there would probably be no return address and probably not deliverable and sitting in a post office, fedex or UPS office and the police may have contacted all of these offices to see if there was any undeliverable mail. This might be risky since these offices may open undeliverable mail. But I would like to know if this ping location in Idaho is available publicly, other than around Gooding Idaho.

 

[Kapua]

Yes I know about malware. One sign that it has been on one’s phone - shorter battery use.

But the pings? They should show some track, right? And one can easily cover 600 miles in 3 days esp. if he stays on the main roads. So there probably would be ways to check TV towers close to them? If someone switches the phone off and then on (in a hotel or wherever people sleep) this will be registered. Last, people use free WiFi offered by many places. This, too.

Her mom’s phrase “she loves her God” sounds like a plea, or a reminder. (Because in general, taking off and cutting communication with the family does not mean stoppping to love the God. God is the least stationary entity). So it is either “Kelsey, you love your God, go home”, or a message about ungodly act to someone else? Anyone sees some peculiarity in it?

It's 800+ miles and about a 12 hour drive one way according to Google Maps (I checked yesterday.) Via I-80 and I-84 IIRC.

 

[PrairieWind]

I had a daughter who attended CUBoulder. Boulder has plenty of danger. I would think that it would be easier to avoid dangerous places at CSUPueblo, but I haven't really been there to check it out. I'm so glad to done with Boulder.

LOL. I was thinking the exact same thing. I know both cities well and while Pueblo has its crime/gang problems, they are fairly easy to avoid. I would actually feel MUCH better about a daughter going to school in Pueblo than in Boulder.

 

[Jethro4WS]

The circle of people who knew that is small and one of them took a trip to Idaho recently. Normally I am in the camp of the LE should release everything they have to help find someone but in this case I think they have a lot of threads left to pull on before this is a cold case.

Yes. It would be a small circle. How many spouses or significant others would know the first and last names of their spouse's/SO's supervisor or HR contact. I know I wouldn't. That is why I would like to know if the contact that the message went to was a specific person or a generic destination.

 

[NervousNellie]

Is there a map anywhere on the internet showing the location where the phone was located? I am sure the police have checked out if there were any UPS, USPS or Fedex vehicles in the area. If this was a diversion, there would probably be no return address and probably not deliverable and sitting in a post office, fedex or UPS office and the police may have contacted all of these offices to see if there was any undeliverable mail. This might be risky since these offices may open undeliverable mail. But I would like to know if this ping location in Idaho is available publicly, other than around Gooding Idaho.

I'm not sure I'm following you... Are you suggesting the phone is in a package that was mailed/shipped/couriered to Gooding, ID? If that is the case, why did it not ping (as far as we know) along the way - anywhere other than Gooding? A phone can't turn itself on (yet).

 

[PrairieWind]

This thread is moving pretty fast, so I apologize if this has already been discussed. But what do we know about PF's whereabouts on Friday, Sat, Sun following Thanksgiving? Just wondering if he could have driven to Idaho and back or are their witnesses that place him Colorado during that time? This is something that LE certainly has already ascertained.