CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[Ultra Violet]

The vibe I've gotten all along is that most of her family and the police do not want help solving anything. Just share her image and move along. They don't seem to want much digging done by others

The messages seem to be the same thing, repeated over and over like a script, so if she strays it jumps out to me.

Mother of missing Woodland Park woman hopes for her safe return

Toward the end of this video, CB was asked about the video of her daughter in Safeway. Before being redirected by the reporter, she spent some time discussing how she has seen a lot of comments about a baby that age being held in a carrier, how the baby was actually a lighter baby and KB was strong.

After being redirected by the reporter, she mentioned that she was very surprised to see KS’s hair wasn’t done.

I am not sure what either means, but they jumped out as unusual observations to me compared to how consistent her message has been. The hair comment could mean she would want to go home before going anywhere, but those two comments just seemed a little out of place to me.

But it could be that she is just sleep-deprived and not concentrating towards the end? Or she is being very, very careful not to say the wrong thing so she is trying hard to find other things to say?

moo!

 

[PommyMommy]

Oh I’m absolutely leaning foul play, but I simply don’t have the confidence that I had in other cases.

For instance:

I was positive that Mollie Tibbetts had been kidnapped and was murdered.

I was positive that Chris Watts killed his entire family and his story was BS.

I’m just not positive of anything here.

I hear you. I was positive about both of those things too.

Are you thinking there is some family secret (like mental illness, for example) her family doesn't want discovered or that they've received threats? MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Upon confirmation of the date/time stamp of each text message transmission, and the date time of Idaho cell tower ping, we will know where these text messages originated from.

This information is readily available from the service provider, and whenever LE releases this info, we will have our answer. Also, be reminded that Colorado Open Records Act (CORA) provides that the public will eventually have access to much of the information being questioned here so rest assured you'll get your answers here. MOO

Haaaaa. Damn, I completely forgot about Colorado’s open records laws!

Answers will come.

 

[bestill]

I don't know about anybody else, but the comment I bolded seems awfully strange to me.
JMO

Mother of missing Colorado mom speaks out on daughter's disappearance

The couple, who do not live together, have a strong bond, said Cheryl Berreth, who lives in Idaho but has been staying in Colorado during the investigation.

"The relationship has been good. They're loving," she said.

She said she doesn't find the speculation circulating helpful to the case.

"Don't try to figure this out – we've got people trying to do that. Just share the photo There's more important things to be done," she said.

No disrespect to the mom but it would have been wise to not say that, imo. Of course people are going to try and figure out what happened, we can't help ourselves. None of us know what she knows, it's obvious she's satisfied with that but I do think it isn't helpful to make a statement like that.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

That tells me they have a good idea what happened and the goal now is to find her. This case reminds me so much of the incredibly sad case of Susan Powell.

I think they have a good idea or at least somewhat of an idea.
The ID channel had Susan's story on last night.

 

[MassGuy]

I hear you. I was positive about both of those things too.

Are you thinking there is some family secret (like mental illness, for example) her family doesn't want discovered or that they've been threatened? MOO

First one. I think that they’re worried that it will cause people to stop looking, as they will be inclined to believe that she just had an episode or walked off to commit self harm.

It’s a bit like how the DA didn’t want those autopsy results released in the Watts case, as people would speculate that SW was drunk when she arrived home.

It wasn’t true, but it would cause issues.

 

[PommyMommy]

Newbie here so forgive me if this may have been asked or answered previously, and I know there are ALOT of unknowns in this case, but why are they not organizing a search party where her phone pinged?? As a mom I’d want that area searched. They can narrow it down to a 1 mile radius, why not at least check the area?

Welcome to Websleuths, Ccging. I don't remember reading anything about searches in Idaho, but I hope someone will correct me if I've missed it. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

No disrespect to the mom but it would have been wise to not say that, imo. Of course people are going to try and figure out what happened, we can't help ourselves. None of us know what she knows, it's obvious she's satisfied with that but I do think it isn't helpful to make a statement like that.

I don’t think telling people not to try and solve this, is going to have any effect at all.

It’s not like anyone is going to listen.

 

[MyBelle]

Newbie here so forgive me if this may have been asked or answered previously, and I know there are ALOT of unknowns in this case, but why are they not organizing a search party where her phone pinged?? As a mom I’d want that area searched. They can narrow it down to a 1 mile radius, why not at least check the area?

LE may be searching and we have no way of knowing it. The area could be very rural and no media there to notice it. Or, they've already tracked the info and connected the dotes with the help of Verizon. They aren't about to share such details with the public. JMO

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I don’t think telling people not to try and solve this, is going to have any effect at all.

It’s not like anyone is going to listen.

I agree. And they don't want people to do anything except get her face out there. Which leads me to believe they think she walked away and somebody is going to recognize her.

 

[MyBelle]

No disrespect to the mom but it would have been wise to not say that, imo. Of course people are going to try and figure out what happened, we can't help ourselves. None of us know what she knows, it's obvious she's satisfied with that but I do think it isn't helpful to make a statement like that.

The mom blurted out the fact that the couple never lived together at the news conference and I think she regrets it because it set-off a lot of speculation as to why an engaged couple with a baby aren't living together in the home owned by the mother. JMO

 

[alucardsdream]

Oh I’m absolutely leaning foul play, but I simply don’t have the confidence that I had in other cases.

For instance:

I was positive that Mollie Tibbetts had been kidnapped and was murdered.

I was positive that Chris Watts killed his entire family and his story was BS.

I’m just not positive of anything here.

This. This is exactly how I feel. There is just something off about this case that I can't seem to grasp.

 

[MassGuy]

I agree. And they don't want people to do anything except get her face out there. Which leads me to believe they think she walked away and somebody is going to recognize her.

I think they want to believe that she walked away, as the alternative is unbearable.

In one scenario she could still be alive.

In the other scenario, she is almost certainly dead.

I think this is about hope though, and not a conclusion reached by looking at the evidence.

 

[Esma]

I totally believe it is foul play. Either significant other, someone she knows, or a stranger. I am heavily leaning towards someone she knows. I get the feeling that they know who the person is, but don't know where the person is. I think they are hoping she will be found alive but its possible she isn't-and that's the road her mother 'doesn't want to go down' because she said it wasn't helpful. Her mother keeps saying 'I know someone knows where she is'. Do you get the feeling it's a race against the clock and that's why no information is being released? Is law enforcement desperately trying to find her before information is given out in the public in order to keep her safer if she is still alive?

 

[sassyblue]

Newbie here so forgive me if this may have been asked or answered previously, and I know there are ALOT of unknowns in this case, but why are they not organizing a search party where her phone pinged?? As a mom I’d want that area searched. They can narrow it down to a 1 mile radius, why not at least check the area?

I agree and would drive over there and search for her in a heartbeat if I knew exactly where the phone pinged. But there's a lot of desert to search out there without having a clue as to where to start. I wish they would release more info about that ping. But is she with her phone? That's the big question.

 

[MassGuy]

I totally believe it is foul play. Either significant other, someone she knows, or a stranger. I am heavily leaning towards someone she knows. I get the feeling that they know who the person is, but don't know where the person is. I think they are hoping she will be found alive but its possible she isn't-and that's the road her mother 'doesn't want to go down' because she said it wasn't helpful. Her mother keeps saying 'I know someone knows where she is'. Do you get the feeling it's a race against the clock and that's why no information is being released? Is law enforcement desperately trying to find her before information is given out in the public in order to keep her safer if she is still alive?

If she was kidnapped, she is dead. She’s probably been dead since the beginning.

You can’t really race a clock that has been ticking for 3 weeks.

That clock started ticking on Thanksgiving and no one knew it.

 

[Ultra Violet]

I hear you. I was positive about both of those things too.

Are you thinking there is some family secret (like mental illness, for example) her family doesn't want discovered or that they've received threats? MOO

I definitely do not want this to sound like victim-bashing or anything bad about Kelsey, but could she be involved in some kind of dynamic thta her family or church would not condone? (Outside of the baby out of wedlock scenario, of course.)

Could Kelsey maybe have a friend or relationship that is considered to be taboo by her family or church? Earlier, I was wondering earlier if she was having a relationship with another woman, but her brother being in a same-sex relationship makes that seem like it would not be a taboo.

What kind of friendships or relationships would the family of a missing person want to avoid discussing? A relationship with someone at work? At church? Or with someone who is married? Or well-known? Would any of these things be something family or LE would not want to disclose?

And I know we are are not sluething her fiance. But because he is one half of her current relationship. Could we ask all these same questions about him?

moo!

 

[katydid23]

I think KB's mom has been put in a difficult situation because KB was giving Mom some phony information, to try and soften things. I think KB wanted her Mom to feel comfortable about KB's situation so KB painted a rosier picture than what the reality was.

So KB says 'yah, going to have Thanksgiving dinner with my fiancé'. ' and 'Yah, we three will go pick out our Christmas Tree soon...' But none of that was true or realistic. But she didn't want her mom to worry about her or be disappointed in her, so she portrayed a sweet little family life, to try and soften things up.

 

[bestill]

I think they want to believe that she walked away, as the alternative is unbearable.

In one scenario she could stilll be alive.

In the other scenario, she is almost certainly dead.

I think this is about hope though, and not a conclusion reached by looking at the evidence.

BBM - Mom has been adamant about it being out of her character to just walk away. I know that would be the best outcome and if she is hoping that's the case maybe she needs to not say Kelsey would never do that. I love her mom, I think she's her daughter's best champion and loves her dearly, if it were me I would be a basket case. I admire her strength so much. Just can't help but wonder about and question what little bit we know and don't know.

Kelsey where are you!

 

[Esma]

If she was kidnapped, she is dead. She’s probably been dead since the beginning.

You can’t really race a clock that has been ticking for 3 weeks.

That clock started ticking on Thanksgiving and no one knew it.

If they have figured out the who and why, but not the where, I can see holding out all hope that she is still alive.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I think they want to believe that she walked away, as the alternative is unbearable.

In one scenario she could stilll be alive.

In the other scenario, she is almost certainly dead.

I think this is about hope though, and not a conclusion reached by looking at the evidence.

Maybe so but the comment made by the mom about her hair not being done leads me to believe that she normally didn't go anywhere (including the grocery store) without her hair being done. It was probably just an observation by her mom but maybe her mental state wasn't good.