CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[The Night Watchman]

I agree and would drive over there and search for her in a heartbeat if I knew exactly where the phone pinged. But there's a lot of desert to search out there without having a clue as to where to start. I wish they would release more info about that ping. But is she with her phone? That's the big question.

If they thought she was in Idaho, particularly nearing Gooding, they would most certainly would be searching and making more of an effort there. It is telling that they have not. It is most likely the FBI feels that she was never in Idaho after Thanksgiving Day.

 

[MassGuy]

BBM - Mom has been adamant about it being out of her character to just walk away. I know that would be the best outcome and if she is hoping that's the case maybe she needs to not say Kelsey would never do that. I love her mom, I think she's her daughter's best champion and loves her dearly, if it were me I would be a basket case. I admire her strength so much. Just can't help but wonder about and question what little bit we know and don't know.

Kelsey where are you!

That’s a good point, I’m (mistakenly) looking at this more through my eyes than hers.

What she doesn’t realize, is that’s probably the only way that her daughter is still alive.

She left willingly, or she is dead.

There really aren’t any other plausible options, atleast that I can think of.

 

[alucardsdream]

I think KB's mom has been put in a difficult situation because KB was giving Mom some phony information, to try and soften things. I think KB wanted her Mom to feel comfortable about KB's situation so KB painted a rosier picture than what the reality was.

So KB says 'yah, going to have Thanksgiving dinner with my fiancé'. ' and 'Yah, we three will go pick out our Christmas Tree soon...' But none of that was true or realistic. But she didn't want her mom to worry about her or be disappointed in her, so she portrayed a sweet little family life, to try and soften things up.

I can see that. I think most of us have told a little white lie every now and then because we don't want our parents to worry about us. It does put KB's mom in an awkward position, especially if she thought that she and KB were close enough that KB shared everything with her.

 

[PommyMommy]

I definitely do not want this to sound like victim-bashing or anything bad about Kelsey, but could she be involved in some kind of dynamic thta her family or church would not condone? (Outside of the baby out of wedlock scenario, of course.)

Could Kelsey maybe have a friend or relationship that is considered to be taboo by her family or church? Earlier, I was wondering earlier if she was having a relationship with another woman, but her brother being in a same-sex relationship makes that seem like it would not be a taboo.

What kind of friendships or relationships would the family of a missing person want to avoid discussing? A relationship with someone at work? At church? Or with someone who is married? Or well-known? Would any of these things be something family or LE would not want to disclose?

And I know we are are not sluething her fiance. But because he is one half of her current relationship. Could we ask all these same questions about him?

moo!

There are many possibilities and if LE discovers some kind of relationship and believes releasing that information would be helpful in finding Kelsey, they will do so.

Moo back 'atcha.

 

[Kapua]

Maybe so but the comment made by the mom about her hair not being done leads me to believe that she normally didn't go anywhere (including the grocery store) without her hair being done. It was probably just an observation by her mom but maybe her mental state wasn't good.

It sounds like something my mom would say. But she was a hairdresser.

 

[Seattle1]

I hear you. I was positive about both of those things too.

Are you thinking there is some family secret (like mental illness, for example) her family doesn't want discovered or that they've received threats? MOO

KB's life is not an open book on social media (and presume PF similar) so we don't have a clue about the status of their relationship, whether they've previously spent holidays together, or what is normal to them as a couple. It's possible that there's estrangement between KB and his family, and by choice-- KB was spending Thanksgiving Day on her own, and PF and child with his Mum and extended family.

There's also the possibility that KB is suffering postpartum depression, and may have fears that treatment will be a career killer for an aviator. We know that LE reported no prior domestic calls from her residence but it's always possible there were unreported domestic incidents between the couple. Unfortunately, more questions than answers.... MOO

 

[JKathryn]

I totally believe it is foul play. Either significant other, someone she knows, or a stranger. I am heavily leaning towards someone she knows. I get the feeling that they know who the person is, but don't know where the person is. I think they are hoping she will be found alive but its possible she isn't-and that's the road her mother 'doesn't want to go down' because she said it wasn't helpful. Her mother keeps saying 'I know someone knows where she is'. Do you get the feeling it's a race against the clock and that's why no information is being released? Is law enforcement desperately trying to find her before information is given out in the public in order to keep her safer if she is still alive?

I think I remember Mollie Tibbet's father saying the same thing about somebody knowing where she is during their search. Unfortunately there's a huge waiting game with the technology they are looking at, if it is anything like her case. This time they are getting such a late start from when she was last seen until their investigation began. We may be waiting awhile longer to hear anything more.

 

[Celt1997]

I can't catch up!

Flightaware indicates that FedEx does fly in/out of Gooding, ID. Type "Gooding" select "GNG"

Live FedEx Flight Status ✈ FlightAware

Does someone have a POB, friend, piece of land with just a mailbox out in Gooding?

It could be that KB's phone pinged along the driving route or elsewhere, and LE is withholding that info. It seems per LE that her phone pinged in Woodland Park ---> then Gooding.

I've been pouring over FlightAware and don't see where FedEx uses KGNG. Granted I can only see back to 12/1, but it only shows a handful of (very small) aircraft that use that airport. Can you link me to a specific flight where FedEx used the airfield?

 

[K9Enzo]

JMO
I politely disagree because of all the days in a year if I was planning on running off and not letting family know I surely would not pick Thanksgiving Day or any other major holiday. For the obvious reason that usually there is contact between family members on the holidays and there was in this case too. Mom said she talked to her twice that day already before she identified she was missing in the days that followed.

On the flip side - major holidays are often very depressing days for some people. Someone else mentioned why would she leave? She had the perfect life. Well, we don't know (as I clearly don't either) what goes on with someone in their most private moments, outside appearances (nice house, great job, new baby, etc.) can be very deceiving.

I'm always very cautious when parents are certain they know what's going on in their adult children's lives.

Just my two cents.

 

[PommyMommy]

KB's life is not an open book on social media (and presume PF similar) so we don't have a clue about the status of their relationship, whether they've previously spent holidays together, or what is normal to them as a couple. It's possible that there's estrangement between KB and his family, and by choice-- KB was spending Thanksgiving Day on her own, and PF and child with his Mum and extended family.

There's also the possibility that KB is suffering postpartum depression, and may have fears that treatment will be a career killer for an aviator. We know that LE reported no prior domestic calls from her residence but it's always possible there were unreported domestic incidents between the couple. Unfortunately, more questions than answers.... MOO

Oh, I think it's pretty obvious there's estrangement between KB and PF/family. MOO

 

[kirkassoc]

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[justaparent]

He was invited.

His attorney said that he only had an hour notice about the press conference. That he would have attended with more notice. I have no idea if that’s accurate but that’s what was reported by the attorney.

 

[celticthyme]

Usually in cases like this, I’m very confident in what I think happened, one way or another.

This one is different for me.

If foul play happened, then I’m looking at one place.

Nothing is right about the behavior there, and I find it incredibly unsettling.

That being said, something is not adding up for me as to the overall picture of KG. I feel like we are in the dark about some things, and there may be ingredients there that lend themselves to an alternative explanation, one that does not involve foul play.

It’s hard to get past the strange behavior of the fiancé, and that damn ping is very intriguing.

But I’m not absolutely sold as to what I think happened, as strange behavior doesn’t necessarily mean that foul play occurred, and a particular person is responsible for it.

Whichever way this goes, I wouldn’t be very surprised.

I just hope we get some clarity soon, and an answer eventually.

Aside from the result we don't want to think about .....
The only other situation that comes to mind for me is if one or the other of them had shown an open or secret interest in another partner, and it set the other one off. Stranger things have happened. We just don't know enough to make any kind of informed guess.

 

[katydid23]

It sounds like something my mom would say. But she was a hairdresser.

Yes, I think that might just be a Mom thing and an older generation thing. Recently I was visiting my 88 yr old Mom, and I was rushing out to get us some milk and bread for lunch makings. As I was leaving, My mom said 'aren't you going to change your clothes and do up your hair?' She truly looked puzzled that I was running out the door , with hair still drying from my shower, and a sweatshirt and jeans.

I had to comfort her that Albertsons had no dress code and I would be back really quickly, in time to dress for lunch. lol

 

[PommyMommy]

His attorney said that he only had an hour notice about the press conference. That he would have attended with more notice. I have no idea if that’s accurate but that’s what was reported by the attorney.

We knew the day before there was a press conference. If he wanted to be there, all he had to do is call and ask for the time. MOO

 

[Kapua]

That’s a good point, I’m (mistakenly) looking at this more through my eyes than hers.

What she doesn’t realize, is that’s probably the only way that her daughter is still alive.

She left willingly, or she is dead.

There really aren’t any other plausible options, atleast that I can think of.

She may have left willingly. But IMHO, she is not staying gone and out of touch with her loved ones willingly.

 

[scdiv]

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Yet the mother is very consistent in saying these things - that they do not believe KB would willingly leave her daughter. Not a risk taker. Has never disappeared. Has always told her mother her plan. No drugs. No depression. This would be very out of character behavior. Sounded normal that morning. Asked for a recipe. Was asking for what was on people's Christmas lists in anticipation of doing her Christmas shopping. Cinnamon rolls left cooling on the counter. Nothing in house missing but purse.

So there could be pieces we aren't meant to know. And either that would explain some things. Or they are completely irrelevant, but could serve as a distraction (like Shanann Watts's blood alcohol level caused by decomposition) or are just irrelevant to why she is missing and none of our business. Or they do factor in but it's tied to the investigation going on behind the scenes.

Also, the family could have just been responding in general to being overwhelmed by the infiltration of comments by random people on the Internet aggressively demanding all kinds of personal info about their family.

 

[Esma]

Oh, I think it's pretty obvious there's estrangement between KB and PF/family. (Speaking for myself.) MOO

Or that's the perception they want to be put out there so her fiancé is in the hot seat, taking pressure off of the perp while they try to nab him. I believe they are thinking there's possibility she is still alive.

 

[Ccging]

I agree and would drive over there and search for her in a heartbeat if I knew exactly where the phone pinged. But there's a lot of desert to search out there without having a clue as to where to start. I wish they would release more info about that ping. But is she with her phone? That's the big question.

Good question! I was hoping if they searched that area they would come across her phone and/or purse and/or her.

 

[Kapua]

<modsnip - discussing SM comments>

Yet the mother is very consistent in saying these things - that they do not believe KB would willingly leave her daughter. Not a risk taker. Has never disappeared. Has always told her mother her plan. No drugs. No depression. This would be very out of character behavior. Sounded normal that morning. Asked for a recipe. Was asking for what was on people's Christmas lists in anticipation of doing her Christmas shopping. Cinnamon rolls left cooling on the counter. Nothing in house missing but purse.

So there could be pieces we aren't meant to know. And either that would explain some things. Or they are completely irrelevant, but could serve as a distraction (like Shanann Watts's blood alcohol level caused by decomposition) or are just irrelevant to why she is missing and none of our business. Or they do factor in but it's tied to the investigation going on behind the scenes.

Also, the family could have just been responding in general to being overwhelmed by the infiltration of comments by random people on the Internet aggressively demanding all kinds of personal info about their family.

I wonder if she might be pregnant.