CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[SuziQ]

Am trying to thing of others who hired lawyers and later were completely cleared...anyone? But, that said...we do not know why he PK went to see a lawyer, do we? Could it be custody or has lawyer said otherwise?

Well he is a criminal defense attorney. My personal experience is that attorneys will refer you to another if your case is not one they specialize in.

 

[Jennifer17]

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Yet the mother is very consistent in saying these things - that they do not believe KB would willingly leave her daughter. Not a risk taker. Has never disappeared. Has always told her mother her plan. No drugs. No depression. This would be very out of character behavior. Sounded normal that morning. Asked for a recipe. Was asking for what was on people's Christmas lists in anticipation of doing her Christmas shopping. Cinnamon rolls left cooling on the counter. Nothing in house missing but purse.

So there could be pieces we aren't meant to know. And either that would explain some things. Or they are completely irrelevant, but could serve as a distraction (like Shanann Watts's blood alcohol level caused by decomposition) or are just irrelevant to why she is missing and none of our business. Or they do factor in but it's tied to the investigation going on behind the scenes.

Also, the family could have just been responding in general to being overwhelmed by the infiltration of comments by random people on the Internet aggressively demanding all kinds of personal info about their family.

I think that if they are hiding anything, it is about the state of the relationship on Thanksgiving or just before.

 

[Curiousobserver]

What do you mean, her mother didn't check? She was calling and calling, waiting for her adult daughter to reply.

Her mother knew that KB had a busy life and a loving fiancé and a baby. Surely of there was something amiss, her daughter's finance would know about it, right?

I know his behavior is weird but maybe there is something that explains it- the same something which makes it possible for nobody to request a welfare check or file a police report for almost 2 weeks. If I left for that long and didn't contact anybody, even if I told them I would be gone for a while, this is not what would happen.

 

[CurlyQ]

On the flip side - major holidays are often very depressing days for some people. Someone else mentioned why would she leave? She had the perfect life. Well, we don't know (as I clearly don't either) what goes on with someone in their most private moments, outside appearances (nice house, great job, new baby, etc.) can be very deceiving.

I'm always very cautious when parents are certain they know what's going on in their adult children's lives.

Just my two cents.

ETA, not my opinion in this case, however, I agree. I don't know that anyone wants to admit that their family member is capable of walking away to do self harm, but it happens frequently, and all the while exhibiting "normal" behavior.

Many years ago, one of our family members who seemingly had "everything" (gorgeous home, beautiful daughter, hard working-good looking husband, and a very well paying career) attempted to take her life (thankfully, she survived) because she was "tired". Tired of dealing with work, tired of being the primary caretaker of the child because husband was working, and tired of husband not being there.

On that day that she was found in the garage, almost dead from carbon monoxide poisoning; she had grocery shopped for the evening dinner, stopped at a home improvement store to pick up curtains, dropped clothes off at the dry cleaners, went to the gym, and then went home and sat in the car until her husband found her later (chance happening that he came home early).

It happens................

 

[Deleted member 718]

It's reassuring that the FBI is involved. Sometimes with small local LE, I worry they don't have the staff to devote.

Kelsey's story is still active in the news cycle. Thanks mainly to her mom doing interviews. The two ladies hosting the vigil don't know Kelsey but still extended their kindness and concern. I'm not feeling optimistic for a quick solution. It already feels stalled. ....

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I think the ping was a giant mistake a la CW neighbor home video and someone is scared. Ju

Thank you. This is where so much of the confusion is.

One thing that makes me go hmmm. Is didn't PF claim he last saw KB when she handed their baby off to him,Then at another point the baby was back with KB. So if the baby was back with KB Between then,and now who handed the baby backback to KB? And how did the baby winds up back with PF?
OR am I just dreaming?

 

[kirkassoc]

I know what that says to me. It says that KB did not plan to be away for long.

It also says to me that she knew the person she left with and took her purse with her phone inside. MOO

 

[CDB]

Welcome to Websleuths, Ccging. I don't remember reading anything about searches in Idaho, but I hope someone will correct me if I've missed it. MOO

I am not sure of any police searches in Idaho, but our local news stations carried this information and asked the public to be on the look out and report any information.

Not exactly a strong effort. Gooding is about 2 hours from me or I would go look around. The area is fairly rural so I would expect anything out of the norm to stick out and be investigated.

Oh and to answer another posters question on other airports in the area. This is agricultural area, and there are many small airports around, even private ones, they use them for crop dusting.

 

[justaparent]

One thing I have not read concerns the child care arrangement between KB and PF. Going on the assumption that perhaps they were not a close couple anymore, it may not be unusual for no contact between the two if each had the baby for extended periods.

I’m sure this is something else LE is aware of and not mentioning because perhaps they feel it will help the search.

They are probably also looking at video from airports with private plane traffic. Not that she flew a plane herself but to see if maybe she left with someone she met at work (consent or otherwise).

 

[alucardsdream]

One thing that makes me go hmmm. Is didn't PF claim he last saw KB when she handed their baby off to him,Then at another point the baby was back with KB. So if the baby was back with KB Between then,and now who handed the baby backback to KB? And how did the baby winds up back with PF?
OR am I just dreaming?

I thought there was just one hand-off, from KB to PF. Did PF say that KB got the baby back after that?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Papini's husband called 911 right away. He was on the news requesting for help finding her. He was not evasive as in this case.

IIRC he looked very worried and totally stunned by her disappearance. I don't think you can fake that.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Media is banned from the vigil so it may be hard to know if PF attends. Not sure if photos or anything will be shared

I doubt he will be there. He knows what most people are thinking about him right now. Even if he had nothing to do with her disappearance, he'd likely prefer to stay home rather than going and having everyone judge him

Banned from the vigil? Banned by whom?

 

[Esma]

I believe law enforcement, FBI and family know quite a bit. Without the details that are being held quiet, what we conclude, on so few and incomplete puzzle pieces, must look much different than the behind the scenes reality of the events.

 

[Mountain Misst]

IMO, Kelsey was still on her feet when she sent the text 5:13pm, 25 November and if the location was indeed Gooding, Idaho for the phone pings, then I'd be focusing in that area.

Questions I'd be asking:
Was her flight bag missing from home?
Who may she have hitched a ride in a plane with on 22 November?
Flight plans logged into GNG - have they been checked over the 3day period?
etc etc

 

[Bill Carson]

His attorney said that he only had an hour notice about the press conference. That he would have attended with more notice. I have no idea if that’s accurate but that’s what was reported by the attorney.

You know....it would scare me to death to have to stand up in front of a bunch of cameras and make some sort statement knowing good and well that nothing I could say would be good enough for all of the people looking for a reason to suspect that am somehow responsible for the disappearance. You don't want to say the wrong thing or say the right thing in the wrong way. Police have told you that they want to withhold some information so they can corroborate any confession they might receive. You are probably emotional. I think it takes more than an hour to prepare for that.

On the other hand, there have been plenty of cases where LE made sure that a suspect attended and spoke at a press conference so that they could use his/her words against him and watch his/her demeanor. (CW being the ultimate example.) . That leads me to believe that they really don't consider PF to be a POI, because if they did they would have given him as much time as he needed (certainly more than an hour) to be present and to get in front of the microphones and cameras.

MOO

 

[Esma]

DBL post sorry

 

[JKathryn]

On the flip side - major holidays are often very depressing days for some people. Someone else mentioned why would she leave? She had the perfect life. Well, we don't know (as I clearly don't either) what goes on with someone in their most private moments, outside appearances (nice house, great job, new baby, etc.) can be very deceiving.

I'm always very cautious when parents are certain they know what's going on in their adult children's lives.

Just my two cents.

People would look at my life and say the same thing. I do have a great life, but darn if I haven't thought about how to escape sometimes and that I'm going to be a burden to my kids in the future. I've often thought my husband would be better at going it alone as he's a great dad. PPD is serious and it's certainly not something KB would probably be discussing with anyone, if that could be the case here.

All that said, my own mother (that I'm very close to) would also say it was out of character if I up and disappeared!

I'd love to hear that KB ran off with a someone, traveled across the country and flew their own plane across the Atlantic and are overseas somewhere. It's not likely, but it COULD happen.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Perhaps they believe someone is holding her and they don't want any heat put on that might scare and agitate the person?

Or horror of horrors have the baby get hurt.

 

[Curiousobserver]

IMO, Kelsey was still on her feet when she sent the text 5:13pm, 25 November and if the location was indeed Gooding, Idaho for the phone pings, then I'd be focusing in that area.

Questions I'd be asking:
Was her flight bag missing from home?
Who may she have hitched a ride in a plane with on 22 November?
Flight plans logged into GNG - have they been checked over the 3day period?
etc etc

Bingo- those texts are the key to all of this. They had to be made by someone with intimate knowledge of exactly who to call. That is a small circle of people (including KB) many of whom have iron-clad proof they were not in Idaho. The number of people LE needs to look at is relatively small.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Only

Oh I’m absolutely leaning foul play, but I simply don’t have the confidence that I had in other cases.

For instance:

I was positive that Mollie Tibbetts had been kidnapped and was murdered.

I was positive that Chris Watts killed his entire family and his story was BS.

I’m just not positive of anything here.

Only thing is, people on this site seem to be more worried than her fiancee seems to be. Now that's puzzling.