CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[MassGuy]

Is it known whether KB dropped the baby off at the fiancés, he picked the baby up from her house or they met somewhere and exchanged her?

Current reporting says that he picked the baby up at her house.

ETA: There is contradictory information out there so this isn’t confirmed.

 

[Celtsleuth]

I was wondering.....Was it established that she had some family ties to Gooding, Id? Also, surprised mom didn't call earlier. Were they not very close? Ten days seems like a long time not to have mother/daughter contact. Wouldn't mom be suspicious a lot sooner? Did fiance have custody and Kelsey visitation? Thoughts, anyone? This situation is very weird.

 

[PommyMommy]

Is it known whether KB dropped the baby off at the fiancés, he picked the baby up from her house or they met somewhere and exchanged her?

Per PF's statement to LE, he picked her up in the afternoon. Location unspecified.

Woodland Park Police Department

 

[KSinMT]

Trying to give the fiancée the benefit of the doubt here.

Is there any way that he knows where she is but she asked him not to tell? Maybe she needed a break, dropped off the child and told him where she was going but asked him to not let anyone know. Like a staged disappearance. And he’s just following that plan.

It’s a very big long shot. But I’m trying to think of any other reason (beyond the obvious) of why he would be so removed from everything and not report her missing.

A few people have mentioned this possibility but I highly doubt he would go to the trouble of retaining an attorney and allow the public scrutiny to go on if this were the case.

 

[KathrynL]

I think it's very possible her mom didn't know all the details of KB and PF's relationship. For all she knows, it was a stable and loving relationship but that very well could have changed and her mom might not have known. People would say me and my mom are very close, we talk at least every other day but I don't always tell her what's going on with me personally or if I'm having problems in my relationships. My husband and I went through a very rough patch a couple years ago that most people we were close to, even my mom didn't know about. He even left the house and stayed at a hotel for a few days and I didn't tell my mom about it, and if anyone would've asked her she would have said everything was fine with us because she didn't know any better.

I, too, had an especially rough patch with my husband, and I did not share any details with anyone-so ita that her mom may not have known of any problems in their relationship.

When I watched an interview of Kelsey's mother, I was bothered by her lack of anxiety and sadness. She also seemed to be suppressing smiling. Then the real kicker was telling the public to just share the picture, don't try to figure it out, they have people doing that. What?....I thought she was a little strange. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

She definitely appeared to be choosing her words carefully. Maybe because what LE has advised her of, and/or her granddaughter is in the care of the father (last person known to see KB before disappearance).

 

[1mtroyal]

I tried to find out the amount of the reward but the segment said it wasn't disclosed yet. I predict a larger pool of reporters at the press conference tomorrow. The police chief said his officers are working "around the clock".

I hope it isn't so crowded that Patrick can't get in. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Just tell him to not answer any questions, just be there for moral support.

 

[MsBetsy]

Here's where I get lost in all of this. It has been stated she was supposed to have dinner with her fiance and he was going to take the little one to pick out a Christmas tree. It was also previously stated, and I wish I could link it, that Kelsey had no plans of making dinner that night. So, why would you transfer custody of a child in the middle of the afternoon if the plan is to be together again a couple of hours later for dinner? To me it seems like a bunch of senseless running around.

And why wouldn't she have been reported missing that night or at least the next day?

 

[YellowCat11]

It's listed on the exceptions:

"• To respond to a request for PHI for purposes of identifying or locating a suspect, fugitive, material witness or missing person, but the information must be limited to basic demographic and health information about the person.

https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/f...ergency/final_hipaa_guide_law_enforcement.pdf

This would be so tricky for a provider as it could be seen as a breach if person willingly checked in and could make case for not technically being missing. Provider would definitely need to be careful and definitely be contacted first by LE - as it says above. Any other form of confirmation would be violation.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I find the mother's demeanor odd. To put myself in her position I would be distraught, begging for help. She may just be different, but she seems very calm, no sense of urgency comes across. It's almost like she thinks someone is just hiding her somewhere.

 

[borndem]

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[Charlot123]

I keep coming back to the one sticking point in this whole thing, why wasn't she reported missing sooner? It doesn't make any sense.

My feeling is, it is not a relationship, but possibly a way out for both PF and KB. By having a fiance, KB provides "appropriateness" to her family situation (a single mom) in the eyes of her home community. To PF, it might be the way to avoid nosey question about his unmarried status. In this situation, it is quite understandable why he did not miss her (thought she was with someone else during the Thanksgiving, m.b.?)

 

[MassGuy]

This would be so tricky for a provider as it could be seen as a breach if person willingly checked in and could make case for not technically being missing. Provider would definitely need to be careful and definitely be contacted first by LE - as it says above. Any other form of confirmation would be violation.

Not in this case.

LE: “You know that missing woman who is the subject of national news headlines? Her name is Kelsey Berreth, is she in your facility?”

Hospital: “No.”

There’s no gray area here.

 

[MyBelle]

So it appears that she made the cinnamon rolls for breakfast and some had been eaten because the remainder were on the stove top. She didn't make them to take to a dinner or for some kind of peace offering. It sounds like she didn't clean up right away.

Kelsey doesn't go out without her hair done or makeup yet her mom says her hair wasn't done when she went to Safeway. Maybe she was a frazzled mom going through a rough time.

The question I now have is did she eat them alone? That's hardly a healthy breakfast for an infant and am wondering if KB spent the night alone. JMO

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

When I watched an interview of Kelsey's mother, I was bothered by her lack of anxiety and sadness. She also seemed to be suppressing smiling. Then the real kicker was telling the public to just share the picture, don't try to figure it out, they have people doing that. What?....I thought she was a little strange. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

It sounds earilly farmiliar to me, unfortunately. Have you ever heard of the case of Laura Wallen, missing Md teacher? This case has many similarities. Let's just see what transpires, I won't say much more than that! The case is being worked hard even unbeknownst to the person or people who may likely have involment! Time will tell!

 

[alucardsdream]

This would be so tricky for a provider as it could be seen as a breach if person willingly checked in and could make case for not technically being missing. Provider would definitely need to be careful and definitely be contacted first by LE - as it says above. Any other form of confirmation would be violation.

Absolutely, they have no obligation to volunteer the information, but if LE has a missing persons report that they are following up on, the hospital will cooperate. (I've never bothered getting verified as an attorney on here because most of the questions are always about criminal law, which I learned in order to pass the bar exam and then promptly forgot. I work in-house for a health system. We try to cooperate with police whenever necessary provided they have the right documentation.)

 

[Gardener1850]

Most people would have a hard time explaining away a large block of time on Thanksgiving Day, especially if they have family commitments so I'm having a hard time coming up with a scenario that includes anyone she knew.

I imagine the amount of time it takes to "exchange" your baby with your fiance might be a variable block of time. I mean, it could take 30 minutes (the time it takes to drive 15 miles pick up baby without much of a word and return) or it could take several hours if you claimed to be in a "good" and "loving" relationship and wanted to spend some time with your fiance. And I always find the late evening of Thankgiving and the early morning hours the next day especially easy to slip away from the house under the guise of going "Black Friday" shopping for Christmas gifts. JMO.

 

[Celtsleuth]

I don’t think she’s allowed to say anything per LE.

I hope LE didn't tell her to tell the public..."don't try to figure it out, we have people working on it." That doesn't make sense to me.

 

[MassGuy]

Absolutely, they have no obligation to volunteer the information, but if LE has a missing persons report that they are following up on, the hospital will cooperate. (I've never bothered getting verified as an attorney on here because most of the questions are always about criminal law, which I learned in order to pass the bar exam and then promptly forgot. I work in-house for a health system. We try to cooperate with police whenever necessary provided they have the right documentation.)

Well there we go.

Settled.

 

[Charlot123]

We don’t know what the text from her phone to his said.

We also don't know how often they communicated. If the relationship was in form only, it might have been typical for her not to call him for days.

 

[PommyMommy]

I find the mother's demeanor odd. To put myself in her position I would be distraught, begging for help. She may just be different, but she seems very calm, no sense of urgency comes across. It's almost like she thinks someone is just hiding her somewhere.

She was calmer during her interviews but did you see the press conference? She was barely holding it together. Maybe she's been prescribed something. MOO

 

[Jethro4WS]

This is from a new article today. Most of it is a recap except this part with a quote from LE today:

Thursday, December 13th 2018
"According to police, Frazee told authorities he picked up the couple's daughter, Kaylee, from Kelsey that afternoon. Susan Medina, a spokeswoman for the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, said Thursday that police would not speculate on why the couple was exchanging their daughter on the holiday."

Investigation yields few clues on missing Colorado woman

Something about the exchange is hinky. We know that but what could it be?

Seriously! This is something that her family has been dancing around and now law enforcement is dancing around. We know PF nor his family are speaking to the media so they aren't going to tell. The more this goes on without the reason for this arrangement, the more it ends up looking like Kelsey had done something to create that situation. Because the way I see it, if PF had done something to cause the arrangement - cheated, abuse, etc - we would have heard about the reasons for what was going on and the media would be out there tarring and feathering him. It is not as if PF doesn't know he is a target.