CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

[tmar]

I think the “fear” is a load of BS. They have seemingly known each other since high school. She married someone else and had kids with him, so it’s not like PF was controlling her for all of those years. She knew who he was, and I doubt she all of a sudden became afraid of him, conveniently, when she becomes the subject of an investigation. She’s playing the poor poor martyr card, IMO, to save herself.

Spot on BRRI: KK using the poor poor martyr card, to save herself.
LE will check previous texts etc, to show KK was not fearful of PF.
MOO.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Me? Later, I’m ckg the AQHA. Never considered Arabs.
Pix I’ve found are clearly QH.
I think they might buy yearlings, break & train.
Jmo
I can check Arab registry, is there a need? Other than the track? Tysm

Nope. I just saw that you were going to look into the quarter horses and I made the suggestion of looking into another possibility.

 

[Herat]

I got nuthin.

I got nuthin, either.

I tried a scenario that BFF knew about Kelsey's disappearance because PF called KK asking if she knew what had happened to KB, but then I have to ask why he would call someone 700 miles away who we aren't sure even knows KB.

I got nuttin'

 

[susiQ]

And again, who would have been in a position to know the story about the missing woman proposed to LE by the BF might have included "pilot, left of her own volition"?

KK

Yes, I think we always need to remember that anything said about what happened at the onset, what was told to CB, his friends and clients was from PF's mouth. All lies. He's behind bars. We also need to keep in mind who is feeding this narrative via BFF to the R's. Both are self serving. JMO

 

[Lhughessk]

In the press conference it was stated it is very common for defense to move the preliminary hearing date, it gives them more time for preparation. I am sure not having the arrest warrant right away contributed to that. By the way Defense go the arrest warrant on Dec 31 but they were not allowed to reveal the contents to PF until the judge reviewed it on Jan 4th.

I don’t think your last statement is correct. The prosecution said during the 12/31 hearing that they were going to turn over the affidavit to the defense that day - but then they asked the judge to issue an order barring PF from seeing it for the time being. The judge declined to issue that order on the spot, and instead set it as an issue to be heard on Friday of that week.

I personally think that without that requested order on Monday, they did not turn the affidavit over to the defense. If they had, there would have been nothing precluding the defense from letting PF see it. So it’s most likely that they kept it for that four days (they had said they only needed a week anyway), and then turned it over on Friday so that during the hearing it would be a moot point and they wouldn’t need to waste time on it in court.

 

[tmar]

I agree. Covering her a** early.

Yes.
But now it has backfired, as others are being interviewed, with further 'insider' info being released, that only KK would know.
MOO.

 

[Jethro4WS]

In the press conference it was stated it is very common for defense to move the preliminary hearing date, it gives them more time for preparation. I am sure not having the arrest warrant right away contributed to that. By the way Defense go the arrest warrant on Dec 31 but they were not allowed to reveal the contents to PF until the judge reviewed it on Jan 4th.

It is pretty hard to work on a defense if you can't talk to your client about anything the prosecution has against them.

 

[tmar]

I wonder if Kelsey would have stayed in CO if they broke up though. She may have looked for jobs closer to family.

Moving closer to family, obtaining support seems the most logical.
Jobs closer to family would be ideal.
I wonder, if anything is released, about new job applications by Kelsey, from her computer etc.
Her present home could easily have been rented out.
Perhaps, Kelsey's plans, (if these exist) may be released later.
MOO.

 

[jaspermac]

I don’t think your last statement is correct. The prosecution said during the 12/31 hearing that they were going to turn over the affidavit to the defense that day - but then they asked the judge to issue an order barring PF from seeing it for the time being. The judge declined to issue that order on the spot, and instead set it as an issue to be heard on Friday of that week.

I personally think that without that requested order on Monday, they did not turn the affidavit over to the defense. If they had, there would have been nothing precluding the defense from letting PF see it. So it’s most likely that they kept it for that four days (they had said they only needed a week anyway), and then turned it over on Friday so that during the hearing it would be a moot point and they wouldn’t need to waste time on it in court.

Nope, watched the judge give the ruling several times. Defense got the affadivit with the condition it was not revealed until after the decision on Fri Jan 4. Will try and find it. It is a video with the actual judge talking- not reporters.

 

[Lhughessk]

Well

Nope, watched the judge give the ruling several times. Defense got the affadivit with the condition it was not revealed until after the decision on Fri Jan 4. Will try and find it. It is a video with the actual judge talking- not reporters.

I watched the court video too. I never heard a directive like that from the judge, but i could’ve missed it. I was listening specifically for that point, though.

 

[dkryder]

The reason was not released to the public. The judges changed, in scheduled rotation. That alone would be reason for rescheduling. Every motion that has been filed so far has been ruled on. In the interim, it would be normal for both sides to file motions, but the only one who would know what they are thinking is them.

oh, i thought the reason was very clear,
"Teller County District Judge Scott Sells granted a request by Patrick Frazee, 32, to delay the preliminary hearing from Jan. 29 to Feb. 19."
from,
Patrick Frazee hearing delayed to Feb. 19; prosecutors in Kelsey Berreth case release documents

for instance.

 

[Sweetsbeach]

I'm actually glad the defense was granted the date change. In cases where the evidence is insurmountable, the defense usually attacks the method in which the investigation and case was handled. They look for signs procedure wasn't followed or any rights violated. When the DA was trying to hold off on PF accessing the affidavit, I was thinking I hope this doesn't somehow work in PF's favor.

 

[KSinMT]

Anyone know what time the rest of the Rockstahls interview will be on tonight?

 

[tmar]

Totally agree w/ you. I believe he called her and strung her along
about wanting to see her and/or baby and gave some vague mention of dinner later and/or going to get a Christmas tree.
He just wanted to make sure she'd be there for his plan.
That's why she was vague to her mother, she really wasn't sure what was up.
I believe KB was a "get along" type gal and didn't want to make
waves w/ him. He set her up to be in the home then came
over to do the deed.

PF making vague plans with KB explains KB's story with her mother, in their last phone conversations.
PF wanted KB to be home, for his actions.
Then we have our next saga, with KK entering the plan, regarding phone.
MOO.

 

[jaspermac]

Well

I watched the court video too. I never heard a directive like that from the judge, but i could’ve missed it. I was listening specifically for that point, though.

Okay, Found it for you. Prosecution motion was to release the probably cause warrant to defense counsel under a protective order, The protective order that was asked for was for a week. (warrant info can't be discussed with PF for a week). Prosecution Agreed to release the affadavit immediately (Jan 31) to defense and then a hearing was set for Jan 4 to decide on whether the protective order on the warrant would go for a week. Then on Jan 4, prosecution released the protective order on their own.

The video is thread 19 page 63 post 1253 listen around minute 16:23 for the prosecution motion to release it to defense

 

[Esma]

KB met PF March 2016
Who was Kelsey Berreth? Quiet life apparently ends in tragedy

 

[missy1974]

Okay, Found it for you. Prosecution motion was to release the probably cause warrant to defense counsel under a protective order, The protective order that was asked for was for a week. (warrant info can't be discussed with PF for a week). Prosecution Agreed to release the affadavit immediately (that day) to defense and then a hearing was set for Jan 4 to decide on whether the protective order on the warrant would go for a week. Then on Jan 4, prosecution released the protective order on their own.

The video is thread 19 page 63 post 1253 listen around minute 16:23 for the prosecution motion to release it to defense

Figured I would bring the link so it would be easier to find

Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

 

[v0x]

Anyone know what time the rest of the Rockstahls interview will be on tonight?

5pm MST I believe.

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ETA: Maybe not... looks like the 5pm slot is only on weekdays. Schedule from the link:

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[CatKelly]

I appreciate your honesty and intelligence. You also “appear” to be a local in the area and maybe have stated that and I missed it. I am always willing to give a charged person the benefit of the doubt. And too, I know there are many innocent people that have been convicted of crimes and the Innocence Project has helped so many.

For me, I am not from the area, do not know the WP LE, nor the folks in the DAs office. What I do know is that the FBI was brought in and the LE in Idaho are also a part of the investigation so while PF is locked up, I do believe investigators are looking at all leads, albeit they are focused on PF.

What to make of KK’s involvement if any? We don’t know do we? Nor do we know why the R’s have involved themselves in this case. The rumors are flying.

That leaves me with

1). Yes CB loved her daughter and wants the guilty person to pay. I am with her.
2). A little baby girl likely saw her mom murdered. In any case, she will never see her mother again.
3). After PF supposedly received a text saying KB was going on a road trip, she never followed up with him. Would a normal person question why he has not heard from the mother of her baby? Would she not call to ask how the baby is or to hear her little voice?
4). WHY did PF not report her missing?
5). WHY did PF not search for her? Reportedly, he knew she was headed out to see her grandmother.
6). WHY did PF not immediately contact CB and the police for help?
He has a brother in Le in Co Springs. Surely, they would have taken this seriously and helped him.
7) Why did PF not take part in a press conference and ask the neighbors of Florissant and Woodland Park to help find her?
8). WHY would PF not take part in the local vigil for CB?

Those things show to me a total lack of regard for his child’s mother. It didn’t matter if he was having an affair or dating ten other people. It is how he treated KBs disappearance that made others zero in on PF.

From what I understand it was KK who inserted herself into this mess. SHE is the one who told friends she was seeing him, And she told them before the murder ever happened. She lives in Idaho. That’s where the phone pinged. What was she or someone she knew doing with the phone and why was she in WP on the day that LE theorize KB was murdered? Looks real bad for her.

As for PFs family, his sister in law signed into WS long enough to tell us that WE needed to be looking for KB, she didn’t sound the least bit concerned. This is the aunt of little Kaylee Berreth! Yes, there are a few of us who didn’t buy the koolaid she was trying to sell us. Seems there are a lot of cold hearted people living in Florissant, Colorado.

WS members aren’t trying to tar and feather PF. He has every right to remain silent. But surely he could help investigators solve this, if he wanted to help.

Finally, I don’t know if you are a family member to PF, and won’t ask. But if you are, maybe you could ask some members of your family or yourself these questions.

One question I have is what was the text sent to PF. We don't know. We also don't know who sent them. We don't know if he killed KB in front of the baby(btw I strongly believe he would not do). We just don't know.
It bothers me all the wild and crazy, name calling and degrading comments about the supposed. I don't know who did it. I also don't know them. Like you I speculate that it was "possibly" a joint effort of KK and PF, but we don't know.
If KK was visiting PF during Thanksgiving what was she doing in WP? Also have you ever tried to drive 12 hours straight? Not many people can. Can't help but think someone was with KK in the car. Yep, this is bigger than what we think.
Also, there has not been a motive presented that makes sense to me. Just MHO

 

[CatKelly]

BBM. I know you said you were joking but that would sure throw a wrench into things if it happened!

Here's some info on spousal privilege laws in CO:

"Colorado, like many states, has enacted a statute, referred to as the “marital privilege,” which can prevent spouses from testifying against one another, even if they might otherwise be ready, willing, and able (and regardless of how critical they might be to the prosecution’s case). This privilege is purely a creature of state statute, not a constitutional right, and thus can be changed by the legislature at any time."

More at link: What’s Love Got to Do With It? - Spousal Privilege in Colorado

Wow that would be a bombshell and reason for speculation.