CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

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[Esma]

I’m going to venture out and say KK lied to her BFF. Worried if she might get caught, already planting the seed (lie) that she was ‘afraid of him’. I think it might have been KK panicking that got her to tell the BFF KB was already missing 11/26. She lost her mind in fear of being caught and maybe thought she was making her alibi better by doing so? Telling her BFF anything to begin with may have been motivated by her fear of being caught, so she laid down the foundation of her alibi. Quite stupidly.

 

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[indicolite22]

Welcome to Websleuths, indicolite22. Thank you for joining us.

Thank you for the welcome. I've been reading here for a while.

We don't know what KL is telling the police. I wonder in what scenario she would have been arrested by now? She either cut a deal or they don't have enough to charge her yet.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Duh............Every residence that KK has ever occupied can be located on Google Earth. They all have one thing in common........a practice roping arena that is well used.
For that reason, and that reason only, I believe that the R's story had enough legs for investigators to contact KK. Could the rest of world's worst BFF secondhand gossip story be also possible? Yeah.....in the category of best novel by a new writer.

So tell us Dave, do you believe PFs charges are bogus and further, do you believe KK is guilty of murder? Or are you just against the prosecutors in this county and State of CO?

 

[The Farm]

And, even if the victim finds the strength and courage to break free and walk away, the narc isn't finished with them. They will continue to inflect themselves into the victims life, always taking another stab when the opportunity arises. Of course, MOO.

And if there is a child in the mix forget it.

My brother was married to a severe narc, just when he decided he had enough and was going to get out of the marriage she got pregnant. He stayed for years because of the child and endured hell on earth.

She still haunts him to this day and the child is in her 20's. You are never free unless you change your name and disappear I think.

 

[Dave F.]

I worked for our county Drug Court for years. I know how people lie to avoid prison. Stupid lies.
Not implying drug use in this case.
I didn’t deal with murderers.
The biggest % had criminal charges added to drug related charges. Most were looking @ 8+ years if they failed to complete DC.
Based on my experience, one might really lie to avoid the DP or LWOP.
I would probably lie. Wouldn’t hurt to try, right?
Very few cases do we see a suspect confess, imo.

Retired Boulder (Colorado) Sheriff's Department Detective Steve Ainsworth has often spoken of the soaring exstatic disillusion that murderers invariably experience shortly after commiting the crime that results in mistakes that have to be covered by lies. He strongly states that disproving the little lies lead to making the case; and describes the process as "building a wall, brick by brick, and when the wall is finsished I push it over on them." Ainsworth had a remarkable "solve rate" in his career.

 

[?mysterian?]

From thread 29, post 1510:

"ADMIN NOTE:

Just want to point out that, to our knowledge, PF has not been diagnosed with any psychiatric condition or personality disorder.

Any discussion related to narcissism and psychopathy is strictly individual members' speculative opinion and is not based on any known fact in this case.

sillybilly, Today at 12:46 AMReport
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Bringing this forward. I'd hate to see the thread shut down.

 

[Stunned]

I’m going to venture out and say KK lied to her BFF. Worried if she might get caught, already planting the seed that she was afraid of him. I think it might have been KK panicking that got her to tell the BFF KB was already missing 11/26. She lost her mind in fear of being caught and maybe thought she was making her alibi better by doing so? Telling her BFF anything to begin with may have been motivated by her fear of being caught, so she laid down the foundation of her alibi. Quite stupidly.

I agree. Covering her a** early.

 

[cluciano63]

So even if KK and PF wanted to get together and be jolly ranchers, why the need to murder KB? For custody alone seems a stretch. Couldn’t he just break it off and settle for visitation? Unless he and KK had some million dollar horse breeding plans and he didn’t want to pay child support based on his income potentials.

I wonder if Kelsey would have stayed in CO if they broke up though. She may have looked for jobs closer to family.

 

[susiQ]

And if there is a child in the mix forget it.

My brother was married to a severe narc, just when he decided he had enough and was going to get out of the marriage she got pregnant. He stayed for years because of the child and endured hell on earth.

She still haunts him to this day and the child is in her 20's. You are never free unless you change your name and disappear I think.

Yes, my son too. It's important to know, there are female narcs as well and they are every bit as capable of inflicting incredible pain and suffering, especially when children are involved.

 

[Esma]

I agree. Covering her a** early.

She was afraid alright, of getting caught!

 

[susiQ]

From thread 29, post 1510:

"ADMIN NOTE:

Just want to point out that, to our knowledge, PF has not been diagnosed with any psychiatric condition or personality disorder.

Any discussion related to narcissism and psychopathy is strictly individual members' speculative opinion and is not based on any known fact in this case.

sillybilly, Today at 12:46 AMReport
#1510Unlike"

Bringing this forward. I'd hate to see the thread shut down.

Absolutely, it is our speculation based on the behaviour PF exhibits. So much of what we "theorize" here is also "speculation". We are all trying to understand how this tragedy happened, what contributed to this. How did this beautiful, intelligent woman end up murdered. Perhaps if PF allowed himself to be seen by a psychologist, we'd get the diagnosis. I doubt that will happen, ever. JMO

 

[The Farm]

From thread 29, post 1510:

"ADMIN NOTE:

Just want to point out that, to our knowledge, PF has not been diagnosed with any psychiatric condition or personality disorder.

Any discussion related to narcissism and psychopathy is strictly individual members' speculative opinion and is not based on any known fact in this case.

sillybilly, Today at 12:46 AMReport
#1510Unlike"

Bringing this forward. I'd hate to see the thread shut down.

Oh no I was not implying that neither PF nor KB were as we have no facts of any of that. I was just throwing a comment in about a narc in general.

 

[SandyQLS]

Does anyone have a link please? Is that in the media thread?

PICTURED: Female nurse, 32, 'who assisted killer fiance Patrick Frazee' | Daily Mail Online
January 4, 2019

"...Divorced mother-of-two KL is being investigated over her role in the mystery of the disappearance of KB.

KL, 32, is believed to have been having an affair with PF who has been charged with KB's murder even though her body has not been found.

KL, who lives in Twin Falls, Idaho, has not been formally identified by police as the woman they are investigating, but sources confirm she is the woman involved. ...

...DailyMail.com spoke with two people who know Lee professionally, and they both said they had been told that Frazee was having an affair with her. The couple had met at a rodeo. ..."

 

[BRRI]

I just am curious how far this spiderweb is going to go. And it makes me so, so, sad for KB and her daughter.

I hope PF just realizes he’s never getting out of prison, and starts ratting people out left and right. Sigh.

 

[Dave F.]

So tell us Dave, do you believe PFs charges are bogus and further, do you believe KK is guilty of murder? Or are you just against the prosecutors in this county and State of CO?

First, I do not believe that the Woodland Park Police investigated all of the probabilities in this case. They have excellent training, but simply don't have the manpower to lead and investigation of this magnitude. I believe that handing the investigation over to a well staffed and highly experienced prosecutors office was the best move.
Second, I believe that CB had an incredible bond with her daughter and is a remarkably sincere human being. She seems to know in her heart that her bond with KB has been broken by death, and that's all I need. There is literally no evidence, at this time, for any other possibility.
Third, it is proven that someone took the phone to about the most remote spot in Idaho, and that person has not yet been identified.
Fourth and finally, my opinion on KK has not yet been formed. You can't build a brick wall using horse pucky for mortar.
I need to take some time to delete my high school flame from my contacts list.
I think that the prosecutors are doing an excellent job, but the news folk, and a few WS members, refuse to understand that the case is still in the investigative phase.
I might point out that when the prosection moved immediately to shut off all information about the charge, their first point of argument was that in any murder case, it is their experience that "bad actors" come forward with useless and misleading information which tends to clog the investigation and create needless delays.
Duh?

 

[BRRI]

HMMMMMM. Why would he make a threat only toward her daughter? If this is true? That's rather odd. (Not that he should make threats to all her children)
And why didn't she call Police,FBI? She apparently blabbed to her BFF,and who knows who all else.
It just gets curiouser,and curiouser.
MOO

The tangled web that bad people weave, eh? Just so sad.

 

[BRRI]

I just have a feeling that PF came up with this plan (likely with heavy input from KK), his/her friends all agreed to help in different areas of the crime, and a lot of it went perfectly but some parts didn’t. I believe everything was calculated. I believe they contacted legal experts for guidance along the way, possibly even before the crime so they would know what they were doing.

 

[BRRI]

I’m going to venture out and say KK lied to her BFF. Worried if she might get caught, already planting the seed that she was afraid of him. I think it might have been KK panicking that got her to tell the BFF KB was already missing 11/26. She lost her mind in fear of being caught and maybe thought she was making her alibi better by doing so? Telling her BFF anything to begin with may have been motivated by her fear of being caught, so she laid down the foundation of her alibi. Quite stupidly.

I think the “fear” is a load of BS. They have seemingly known each other since high school. She married someone else and had kids with him, so it’s not like PF was controlling her for all of those years. She knew who he was, and I doubt she all of a sudden became afraid of him, conveniently, when she becomes the subject of an investigation. She’s playing the poor poor martyr card, IMO, to save herself.