CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

[Charlot123]

And also...to me...no way PF's mother does not know something. Just no way.

We don't know her at all. When two family members live in close proximity and isolation, they start starting outlook on life, and usually the stronger one is the source of this outlook.

It would be reasonable to assume that PF shaped her view of KB since he lied to so many about the relationship, but it would be interesting to know how SF's perception of the situation changed now. She is alone, her son is in a county jail, baby K is gone, and she has all the information that we do.

PF is her youngest baby, and I feel very sorry for her. However, she should have understood that she was lied to about the relationship with KB, and a lot of other things.

How living with her shaped PF? Your guess is as good as mine.

 

[susiQ]

It stresses me out that they haven't arrested the nurse yet. Do you think they are waiting to try and get as much information out of her...or do you think they just don't have enough against her at this time? IMO I would think she could be charged with something at this point. I know they want to go after the "big fish" but I hope anyone else involved goes down too.

Lies have short legs (my mother always told us kids). Could it be that they are stringing her along for now, all the while building their case against her? She gives them tidbits of truth they need to help in prosecuting PF, while at the same time catching her in her lies? I ask, "Is she telling 'the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth'?" I doubt it.

 

[Trudie]

They could still interview her if she was in a hospital or facility.

Only if her doctor consents. They can’t march in her room demanding answers,
Idk if she’s in a hospital.
I think it’s the best possibility. IMO
Funny not one pic of her out & about, she’s not speaking, etc.
So, where might she be?
Where is the one place she’s safe from arrest for a minute or two. A hospital.
IMO
As a nurse, she would be well aware of this old trick, too. Imo

 

[jaspermac]

On the news they said that she was being interviewed and is cooperating. That means that she's not avoiding LE as your theory implies.

Sometimes I don't type everything that is in my head and assume everyone else knows what I'm thinking.

Not my theory, i was just acknowledging someone elses as credible.

I do believe she spoke to LE. But I think it is a possibility that when things got too hot she could have played this card. If you are going to use victimization as your defense and its a story not the entire truth, maybe you would add that extra step in of it is affecting you so much you have a mental breakdown.

I also believe it is equally possible that she is in protective custody. Its just taking so long for any charges that I am more open to possible other explanations that might delay charges.

 

[Gardener1850]

LOL, I didn't think of that. Now see, this is where it doesn't pay to be a commitment phobe like PF.

Lol. True. I don't think PF is smart enough to think of marrying his accomplice and probably too arrogant to do it as well-- I think he thought he was home free when KB wasn't reported missing for 10 days. But just for kicks, I looked it up and my research leads me to believe there is no way we would know if they secretly got married. Marriage records are confidential in CO according to this gov website:

"Vital records, including birth, death, adoption, marriage and divorce, are confidential per Colorado state statute (C.R.S. 25-2-117). As a result, Colorado vital records are not public records and therefore not searchable online. Vital records can only be released to those who are eligible. See eligibility and identification criteria. "
Searching Vital Records | Department of Public Health and Environment

So, speaking only hypothetically, if that happened, we could be waiting until court time when it is revealed they are married so she can't testify against him. Hopefully that didn't happen though. And hopefully the DA has an airtight case against PF with or without KK's testimony. MOO.

 

[enelram]

Do you have access to Arabian Racehorse registries? They race them at Arapahoe. Not likely as that is a smaller world. Arabians are usually used in other equestrian activities rather than racing.

The pics I've seen of PF's horse(s) look like grade horses (mutts)
certainly not Arabs.

 

[Kapua]

'This is completely out of character,' says mother of missing Colorado woman

THIS report has accurate dates. A few others do not. We went 'round and 'round about those early inaccurate reports; LE cleared up the dates in the Dec. 10 press conference.

Carry on.

 

[BRRI]

Obviously. Fear of him was her back up alibi should she be caught.

Now let’s just hope for some smart jurors.

 

[KSinMT]

Only if her doctor consents. They can’t march in her room demanding answers,
Idk if she’s in a hospital.
I think it’s the best possibility. IMO
Funny not one pic of her out & about, she’s not speaking, etc.
So, where might she be?
Where is the one place she’s safe from arrest for a minute or two. A hospital.
IMO
As a nurse, she would be well aware of this old trick, too. Imo

Yes, her doctor would need to ok it but they do question people in hospitals, it's not unheard of.

Or she could have been questioned before being checked in, which is where the info that she was being interviewed and cooperating came from. JMO.

 

[Dave F.]

I appreciate your honesty and intelligence. You also “appear” to be a local in the area and maybe have stated that and I missed it. I am always willing to give a charged person the benefit of the doubt. And too, I know there are many innocent people that have been convicted of crimes and the Innocence Project has helped so many.

For me, I am not from the area, do not know the WP LE, nor the folks in the DAs office. What I do know is that the FBI was brought in and the LE in Idaho are also a part of the investigation so while PF is locked up, I do believe investigators are looking at all leads, albeit they are focused on PF.

What to make of KK’s involvement if any? We don’t know do we? Nor do we know why the R’s have involved themselves in this case. The rumors are flying.

That leaves me with

1). Yes CB loved her daughter and wants the guilty person to pay. I am with her.
2). A little baby girl likely saw her mom murdered. In any case, she will never see her mother again.
3). After PF supposedly received a text saying KB was going on a road trip, she never followed up with him. Would a normal person question why he has not heard from the mother of her baby? Would she not call to ask how the baby is or to hear her little voice?
4). WHY did PF not report her missing?
5). WHY did PF not search for her? Reportedly, he knew she was headed out to see her grandmother.
6). WHY did PF not immediately contact CB and the police for help?
He has a brother in Le in Co Springs. Surely, they would have taken this seriously and helped him.
7) Why did PF not take part in a press conference and ask the neighbors of Florissant and Woodland Park to help find her?
8). WHY would PF not take part in the local vigil for CB?

Those things show to me a total lack of regard for his child’s mother. It didn’t matter if he was having an affair or dating ten other people. It is how he treated KBs disappearance that made others zero in on PF.

From what I understand it was KK who inserted herself into this mess. SHE is the one who told friends she was seeing him, And she told them before the murder ever happened. She lives in Idaho. That’s where the phone pinged. What was she or someone she knew doing with the phone and why was she in WP on the day that LE theorize KB was murdered? Looks real bad for her.

As for PFs family, his sister in law signed into WS long enough to tell us that WE needed to be looking for KB, she didn’t sound the least bit concerned. This is the aunt of little Kaylee Berreth! Yes, there are a few of us who didn’t buy the koolaid she was trying to sell us. Seems there are a lot of cold hearted people living in Florissant, Colorado.

WS members aren’t trying to tar and feather PF. He has every right to remain silent. But surely he could help investigators solve this, if he wanted to help.

Finally, I don’t know if you are a family member to PF, and won’t ask. But if you are, maybe you could ask some members of your family or yourself these questions.

I am guilty of being born in Colorado Springs and of living in PF's neighborhood before PF was born. In my childhood, Woodland Park was a summer community surrounded by summer camps. I spent a couple of weeks every summer at one or more of them. I worked two full summers in the mountains south of Deckers, north of Woodland Park. I attended the University of Colorado at Boulder, then left the state. In my career, I worked on contract for a Colorado Springs firm for two full years in the 1990's, but my work was not in Colorado. Only two of five children ever left the area, so I have visited way too many times to count.
It makes it much easier to research specific facts of the case, but no......I don't know anyone in PF's family.
I think your questions are all legitmate, and am convinced that the prosecution has already covered them pretty well. If they fell neatly into place, I'm sure the prosecutors would have already moved forward. Going to trial is kind of the object of their work.
As a child, I once got mad-as-hell at a camp counselor near Woodland Park and decided to walk 3-1/2 foot tall chubby self out of there. I literally disappeared into thin air, but as I remember they found me walking down the shoulder of Highway 24, down Ute Pass many miles from where I was last seen.
Note to self: Next time, don't take the highway. Suggestion: Rampart Range Road
Oh, sorry, I drifted. My point is that there were, on December 2nd, many possibilities open. The "last person to see her did it" is a valid supposition, but it's not the only possibility.

 

[Trudie]

It is expensive today.For a medical facility, one has to.have a good reason as one day costs a lot. For a psychiatric one, the person has to be suicidal, depressed or homicidal. Plus, any facility would have to put an officer at her door to protect her. Too expensive.

They can’t prevent a person receiving health care if the doctor deems it necessary. Moo

 

[dkryder]

It really is and with the very recent Colorado Chris Watts case and so many other murderers eventually getting caught and prosecuted, it is mind boggling what made either one of them think they could get away with it.

Screams of arrogance or is it ignorance or both.

Someone a few days back mentioned something very interesting. They mentioned that PF and company seems to have tried not to make the same mistakes Chris Watts had made and did the opposite.

CW left wifes phone in home. PF took KB's phone.

CW didnt have a good excuse why wife was gone. PF and Co. sent texts to her employer giving an excuse why she was gone.

CW killed the kids too. PF took his kid home to mama.

There may be more things like this but it does seem PF and Co. may have thought if they corrected all of Chris Watts mistakes then they would get away with it.

yeah, maybe. but that scenario requires me to believe tha PF was a sorta student of prior episodes of this type crime. almost like PF was a genius of how to do it by building off of previous cases and i don't currently see PF as being that. but, great theory!

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

Now let’s just hope for some smart jurors.

Terrifying thought. After seeing the people coming out of the woodwork in ID, it does make me grateful the trial will be in CO!

 

[jaspermac]

Lol. True. I don't think PF is smart enough to think of marrying his accomplice and probably too arrogant to do it as well-- I think he thought he was home free when KB wasn't reported missing for 10 days. But just for kicks, I looked it up and my research leads me to believe there is no way we would know if they secretly got married. Marriage records are confidential in CO according to this gov website:

"Vital records, including birth, death, adoption, marriage and divorce, are confidential per Colorado state statute (C.R.S. 25-2-117). As a result, Colorado vital records are not public records and therefore not searchable online. Vital records can only be released to those who are eligible. See eligibility and identification criteria. "
Searching Vital Records | Department of Public Health and Environment

So, speaking only hypothetically, if that happened, we could be waiting until court time when it is revealed they are married so she can't testify against him. Hopefully that didn't happen though. And hopefully the DA has an airtight case against PF with or without KK's testimony. MOO.

Since what we are saying is so crazy. I will go one step further the plea deal is for conjugal visits. LOL But if anyone was going to release the info it would be the R's. JMO

 

[BRRI]

She wasn't missing on 11/26.

CB hadn't reported her missing. At best, she might have wondered why her calls were going to voice mail at that point.

PF's story was that she took some time off to go visit her grandmother at that point in time.

So I am going with, the Rs didn't remember the exact date and sourced one of those inaccurate early MSM reports to refresh their memory. MOO

She was missing though. Just not in MSM/LE’s eyes. PF and KK would have known she was missing by that date.

 

[gngr~snap]

With all the "damage control" spin, by people who claim to have not ever met her and how "afraid" she is, my vote is she is in hiding with help.
LE is waiting... while certain people, who have found themselves in a hole, continue to dig.
I'm hoping within the next 48 hours we will have news from LE or a BOLO, about 1 person. (or more).
Moo

 

[BRRI]

Terrifying thought. After seeing the people coming out of the woodwork in ID, it does make me grateful the trial will be in CO!

Right? At this rate, it’s like half of Idaho is involved in this somehow. Blowing my mind.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I am guilty of being born in Colorado Springs and of living in PF's neighborhood before PF was born. In my childhood, Woodland Park was a summer community surrounded by summer camps. I spent a couple of weeks every summer at one or more of them. I worked two full summers in the mountains south of Deckers, north of Woodland Park. I attended the University of Colorado at Boulder, then left the state. In my career, I worked on contract for a Colorado Springs firm for two full years in the 1990's, but my work was not in Colorado. Only two of five children ever left the area, so I have visited way too many times to count.
It makes it much easier to research specific facts of the case, but no......I don't know anyone in PF's family.
I think your questions are all legitmate, and am convinced that the prosecution has already covered them pretty well. If they fell neatly into place, I'm sure the prosecutors would have already moved forward. Going to trial is kind of the object of their work.
As a child, I once got mad-as-hell at a camp counselor near Woodland Park and decided to walk 3-1/2 foot tall chubby self out of there. I literally disappeared into thin air, but as I remember they found me walking down the shoulder of Highway 24, down Ute Pass many miles from where I was last seen.
Note to self: Next time, don't take the highway. Suggestion: Rampart Range Road
Oh, sorry, I drifted. My point is that there were, on December 2nd, many possibilities open. The "last person to see her did it" is a valid supposition, but it's not the only possibility.

LOL! This made my day. You are a good writer. Do you have a link where I can read the article you wrote?

 

[susiQ]

I had not thought about this but you could be right. Her being in a facility of some sort would explain a lot of things that confuse me, like why she has not been arrested.

I find it strange and interesting that we are now discussing KK being in a mental health ward. Isn't this what some members postulated early on about KB when she was still considered "missing" not murdered? And round in circles we go

edit: gr

 

[Gardener1850]

Since what we are saying is so crazy. I will go one step further the plea deal is for conjugal visits. LOL But if anyone was going to release the info it would be the R's. JMO

LOL! I don't think such a deal can be made. IIRC from reading on the Watts case threads someone said there are no conjugal visits allowed for inmates in CO. I'm not going to bother to look that one up, however. I also learned from the Watts case that he could be transferred out of state after conviction. Chris Watts is doing his life sentence in Wisconsin.