CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #31 *ARREST*

[Yellow Rose]

Gosh the FBI would have had a lot of this information the minute they had PF's phone. I don't think the information is entirely deleted if he'd tried to. They would have gone over every single text, every single contact, every single phone call. I think they had a large portion of this murder already figured out. I'm hoping once they've tied up the loose ends they will divulge! At this point I don't believe there is a body to be found and unfortunately think KB's family are already aware of this. Kept thinking last Friday that they'd release more details but it didn't occur. Hopefully SOON

 

[Hatfield]

Gosh the FBI would have had a lot of this information the minute they had PF's phone. I don't think the information is entirely deleted if he'd tried to. They would have gone over every single text, every single contact, every single phone call. I think they had a large portion of this murder already figured out. I'm hoping once they've tied up the loose ends they will divulge! At this point I don't believe there is a body to be found and unfortunately think KB's family are already aware of this. Kept thinking last Friday that they'd release more details but it didn't occur. Hopefully SOON

JMO
I wonder if there was another phone or two that PF or KK was using and maybe it ends up being involved in this case. If PF had a person on the side in Idaho that he was seeing then I do think its possible there was another phone or two involved that may have been used.

It sure seemed like he gave up his phone too easily at first. Maybe he had another phone that had all the goods on it.

 

[Yellow Rose]

JMO
I wonder if there was another phone or two that PF or KK was using and maybe it ends up being involved in this case. If PF had a person on the side in Idaho that he was seeing then I do think its possible there was another phone or two involved that may have been used.

It sure seemed like he gave up his phone too easily at first. Maybe he had another phone that had all the goods on it.

I'd almost be willing to bet they have that one too....and yes, they probably did have another throwaway.

 

[jewelsmac]

Someone asked several pages back about the prelim and what it will entail. Sorry, I don’t remember who it was.

Essentially, the point of the prelim is that the prosecution puts forth their case and what they believe it will show so that the judge can determine if there is probable cause for the case to be carried over. So during prelim the prosecution definitely shows their hand. They can put on witnesses and question them. Think of it like a mini trial, except instead of a verdict, the judge determines if the case will in fact go to trial or if there is no probable cause and the suspect must be released.

Don’t worry - that’s not happening here!

thanks for explaining. So nice having verified experts on here.

 

[Hatfield]

Has anyone been tracking the status of the guy in Idaho that was arrested for murder conspiracy that was discussed briefly a few threads back? Any updates?

Yes, its been discussed quite a bit and the concensus is it was totally unrelated to this case.

WS has a thread here for that guy and the charges on him. Link below

ID - Ricky Eugene Weaver charged w/Solicitation for Murder, Elmore County, Dec 2018

 

[Thinker22]

Thinker22 said: ↑

I've wondered what the chances are that a phone could be turned on accidentally, like if it were disposed of on a road and driven over, thrown over a cliff, or hit with a hammer. Pure speculation.

It could but texts were sent it now appears to KB's family, work, and PF. They needed it to ping so it looked like she was traveling on her own.

I don't think it's been established just where the texts were sent from. They could have even been set from Winter Park, CO, based on the info we have. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) I've wondered if that ping in Idaho was an accident and have been pondering my original question for awhile.

 

[Hatfield]

Thinker22 said: ↑

I've wondered what the chances are that a phone could be turned on accidentally, like if it were disposed of on a road and driven over, thrown over a cliff, or hit with a hammer. Pure speculation.





I don't think it's been established just where the texts were sent from. They could have even been set from Winter Park, CO, based on the info we have. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) I've wondered if that ping in Idaho was an accident and have been pondering my original question for awhile.

JMO
I also think it could have been an accidental ping in Idaho.

Until we know for sure where the texts were sent from I do think its possible that the ping in Idaho may have been a stupid mistake on the perp(s) part.

I always wondered if during the smashing of the phone it may have turned on accidentally before being crushed or stomped on.

 

[dkryder]

I'm late to the party on this so it might have been mentioned already.

I think "whoever" had KB's phone got nosey. The texts to DOSS and PF could have been sent earlier on the trip. I could envision "someone" wanting to sleuth KB, get into her email, friends texts and such getting to know more about her, unless PF had already "wiped" things clean. There's one person in particular that I think would do this MOO
Just to add, if someone had my phone and passcode or if it was not passcode protected, they could see all the emails I've kept over the last 10 years.

ok, off topic but i had strong feeling i needed to chime in. you don't [or should not] want the " just to add situation". my suggestion is back up the 10 years, move it off the phone to encrypted archive and get rid of the stuff on the phone.

I have never seen a case where a news station would interview third-hand information in this manner. Since, these two seem to know the information and were concerned it makes you really wondered why they would say you have twenty-four hours to report then blindly trust a person knee deep in a suspected missing persons case or worse case at the time a homicide.

yeah. this R couple while, IMO, not involved in the crime, are involved in, (based on their self-admitted behavior), the cover-up and seem to me real close, if not actually, to obstructing justice for KB.

 

[Kapua]

Thinker22 said: ↑

I've wondered what the chances are that a phone could be turned on accidentally, like if it were disposed of on a road and driven over, thrown over a cliff, or hit with a hammer. Pure speculation.





I don't think it's been established just where the texts were sent from. They could have even been set from Winter Park, CO, based on the info we have. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) I've wondered if that ping in Idaho was an accident and have been pondering my original question for awhile.

No, it has never, to the best of my knowledge, been established that the texts were sent from ID, only that the phone pinged there. We don't even have a time of day for the ping, only Nov. 25. So yes, the ping could have been either intentional or unintentional. We don't know.

 

[Esma]

Wouldn’t it be funny if KK thought she was being so smart to pay cash at Sonic but left the trash and receipt in her car which led LE to Sonic and proves she was in WP? Oh that would be a hoot. Active imagination today that would be called a Sonic BOOM!

 

[jaspermac]

Wouldn’t it be funny if KK thought she was being so smart to pay cash at Sonic but left the trash and receipt in her car which led LE to Sonic and proves she was in WP? Oh that would be a hoot. Active imagination today that would be called a Sonic BOOM!

lol, that is something i would do.

 

[mrstfs]

No, it has never, to the best of my knowledge, been established that the texts were sent from ID, only that the phone pinged there. We don't even have a time of day for the ping, only Nov. 25. So yes, the ping could have been either intentional or unintentional. We don't know.

Wanted to add, we know the texts were received on Nov 25 also. I don’t recall seeing what time on Nov 25.

 

[Trudie]

Sometimes a deal is made for immunity/reduced charges even before an arrest and I can guarantee it because we had a case here with that happening.

The Holly Bobo case. If I remember right, the guy that ultimately (allegedly) committed suicide in Florida had a deal like that. No charges were initially ever brought down on him and he definitely had some sort of formal deal with LE. He was still free and on his own when he ended up dead in Florida.

Tysm, Hatfield

We don’t do that where I live. If I’m caught shoplifting, for example, I can’t avoid arrest. The arrest gets me in the system, after I’m in, I could barter with the DA, maybe.

 

[SandyQLS]

No, it has never, to the best of my knowledge, been established that the texts were sent from ID, only that the phone pinged there. We don't even have a time of day for the ping, only Nov. 25. So yes, the ping could have been either intentional or unintentional. We don't know.

I think it has been widely reported that the ping was at 5:13PM on Nov 25.

New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho | East Idaho News

"... The same day officers conducted the welfare check, Berreth’s cell phone was pinged near Gooding at 5:13 p.m – over 800 miles from her home in Colorado. Steve Van Dinter, a Verizon spokesman, tells EastIdahoNews.com that the ping would be accurate within a mile of the location coordinates. ..."

 

[Trudie]

JMO
I wonder if there was another phone or two that PF or KK was using and maybe it ends up being involved in this case. If PF had a person on the side in Idaho that he was seeing then I do think its possible there was another phone or two involved that may have been used.

It sure seemed like he gave up his phone too easily at first. Maybe he had another phone that had all the goods on it.

I wondered ‘this, too. Did KK, also? Hmmmm
The R’s prob know.

 

[Herat]

Artis~I think, down the road, we’ll learn someone in the B family knew of KK. Time will tell. I have strong suspicion KB had reason to discuss her with her mom, bro, BIL or. aunt. I hope I’m right. Bc there could be emails or texts, with info helpful to LE. I see no way their paths did not cross. Jmo

KB's arrangement with PF was unusual. I really don't believe she or her mother thought they would get married, and would only espouse the "engagement" for others of their church & community, as well as for Baby K as she got older to have a socially acceptable story.

As KB was really operating independently of PF outside of childcare, I'll bet she had some discussion with Mom about the future, about her expectations for schooling, religious upbringing, childrearing, and likely even custody should things get ugly. Her mother strikes me as a strong sensible woman who could see the difficulties ahead for KB.

And KB may very well have turned to her mother to confide in PF's faults, like the presence of KK (or others) in his life, and the problems with her family.

I think the Berroth family knew alot about the problems and I'm sure they quickly got to the point to get custody of Baby K and the wrongful death suit to keep her safe.

 

[InvSmith]

I agree that are despicable people, and shutting up would of been their best move, but they are loud and proud. I hope they go crawl back under their rock asap.

When the brother of the victim calls you monster, it is time to zip it!
Couple who exposed Patrick Frazee knew he planned to murder Kelsey Berreth weeks before her death | Daily Mail Online

 

[Herat]

How do we know that she was in Colorado on Saturday?

Well, there was that news many thread back that LE had found her credit card was used in WP on Sat. Nov 24 at the Sonicburger there. We saw some video, which ended up being a SonicBurger manager showing MSM what their video could capture.

But we have had NO verification of this as being correct.

Then the R's used the teaser that they would discuss "KK's trip to Colo over Thanksgiving ( or something to that effect) on Episode #3. But we didn't get anything that really confirms it, do we?

 

[InvSmith]

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PF's motives for the murder are going to prove to be financial ones.
Bet on it.
IMAYSO.

There was NO way under heaven and on earth that he was going to get the home or control of KB's inheritance as demonstrated by the civil suit. You just don't eliminate a life and risk yours really for the money. She was a problem for him.

 

[Herat]

What? She sent text to the B's!!!!!!!!! This had crossed my mind then I erased the thought. No one could do that to a mother right?! You have to be kidding me. Lock her up! Lock her up!

I think this is a bad slip-up in the MSM reporting. The reporting is slipshod and I don't think the interviewer really came at this to find fact, but more of entertainment news. I don't think she really understood what she missquoted.

I don't think it's true