CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #31 *ARREST*

[Gardener1850]

Colorado district court: Murder case is sealed
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Media who identified themselves as an NBC reporter, an ABC producer and a freelance photographer for the U.K.’s Daily Mail converged Jan. 4 at a home in Twin Falls County expecting to find the FBI serving a search warrant, they said. What they found were “no trespassing” signs and a heavy chain across the entrance to the property.

Since then, the district attorney’s office in Colorado asked the Twin Falls County Sheriff’s Office to not grant any more interviews, sheriff’s spokeswoman Lori Stewart said.

Photo from above link:

This property looks different from the ones previously shown on the news. The previous addresses the news showed were incorrect (i.e. NOT KK's) based on my research. I wonder if this is the right address but they were there at the wrong time? Did the reporters miss LE action or are they being sent on wild goose chases by "tips" from social media?
Can anyone figure out the approx location of the above photo?
(As long as we don't name the owner names or post specific house numbers, I think it's ok to sleuth out the location where the media was reporting). MOO.

 

[InvSmith]

No, no something is wrong or being misinterpreted here.

You can get life if you helped and didn't even know that the intent was to murder.

Interesting article to read.
In the U.S., You Can Get Convicted of Felony Murder Without Killing Anyone. This Case Shows That Needs to Change.

Accessory to a Crime (C.R.S. 18-8-105) in Larimer, Grand or Weld County, occurs if a person intends to "hinder, delay, or prevent the discovery, detection, apprehension, prosecution, conviction, or punishment of another for the commission of a crime".

Complicity (C.R.S. 18-1-603), on the other hand, is a crime in which "[a] person is legally accountable as principal for the behavior of another constituting a criminal offense if, with the intent to promote or facilitate the commission of the offense, he or she aids, abets, advises, or encourages the other person in planning or committing the offense." The person charged does not have to be present when the crime is committed.

So, Complicity involves assistance before the crime and Accessory involves assistance after the crime.

If acting in complicity with another, you will be charged the same as the person committing the crime. If acting as an accessory, you will be charged with a lesser felony if the underlying crime is a felony, or with a petty offense, if the underlying crime is a misdemeanor.

There is no way you get a light sentence. If you look at complicity- it is as simple as having those conversations prior to the murder about murdering KB. Each time you have KK had a conversation with PF about it she was enabling and encouraging him by continuing that conversation. There have been other cases in Colorado where the secondary person involved got hammered just because they discussed it. Same sentence as the one who did the deed.

Accessory- got 9 yrs after pleading down to lesser charges
Accessory gets 9 years – The Denver Post

I am sure the the verified lawyers (@riolove77 , @gitana1 , @PrairieWind ) on the site can provide better insight into this than I can

I completely agree with these. Help the victim.

 

[jaspermac]

The topic was Accessory After The Fact -- and nothing else.

Right, and you aren't getting 2-6 yrs in Colorado for accessory after the fact when it is first degree murder.

 

[InvSmith]

BBM: Bull's-eye, scmom.

Those are the keywords.

IMOOC.

I can see him thinking there might be a financial motive but it was never going to happen.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Photo from above link:

This property looks different from the ones previously shown on the news. The previous addresses the news showed were incorrect (i.e. NOT KK's) based on my research. I wonder if this is the right address but they were there at the wrong time? Did the reporters miss LE action or are they being sent on wild goose chases by "tips" from social media?
Can anyone figure out the approx location of the above photo?
(As long as we don't name the owner names or post specific house numbers, I think it's ok to sleuth out the location where the media was reporting). MOO.

I think that photo was taken by a photo journalist that works for the news outlet that wrote the article. Based on what I see that in the photo it looks pretty good for being one of the right places. But it is definitely not the same place as shown by the Colorado news station in their video report.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Right, and you aren't getting 2-6 yrs in Colorado for accessory after the fact when it is first degree murder.

I linked the statutes for Accessory After the Fact in Colorado. The topic had nothing to do with all the ranges of charges that could be laid like Conspiracy to Murder, or Complicity to murder. It wasn't any discussion on the order of, gee, what could KK get charged with and how much time could they get.

It is extremely helpful if the post a person is responding to is read as well as the response they make to it. If you don't do that we end up out in the weeds.

 

[InvSmith]

I read 1984 in 1967 and it terrified me. And here we are....

Do you know today if you get a job with a large pharmaceutical company and you accept their health insurance plan, financial planning, fitness planning, medication benefits program, and others plus take the nice laptop and cell phone they give you, welcome to your company knowing every detail of your health. Their computer monitor where are at and can look in your room at home or your hotel.

 

[Stunned]

Do you know today if you get a job with a large pharmaceutical company and you accept their health insurance plan, financial planning, fitness planning, medication benefits program, and others plus take the nice laptop and cell phone they give you, welcome to your company knowing every detail of your health. Their computer monitor where are at and can look in your room at home or your hotel.

Wtf!

 

[jaspermac]

I linked the statutes for Accessory After the Fact in Colorado. The topic had nothing to do with all the ranges of charges that could be laid like Conspiracy to Murder, or Complicity to murder. It wasn't any discussion on the order of, gee, what could KK get charged with and how much time could they get.

It is extremely helpful if the post a person is responding to is read as well as the response they make to it. If you don't do that we end up out in the weeds.

Did I quote your post?

Did I say you were misinterpreting?

I only responded to artis and let him know what I know re sentencing and 2-6 yrs.

But okay...

 

[Love Never Fails]

Do you know today if you get a job with a large pharmaceutical company and you accept their health insurance plan, financial planning, fitness planning, medication benefits program, and others plus take the nice laptop and cell phone they give you, welcome to your company knowing every detail of your health. Their computer monitor where are at and can look in your room at home or your hotel.

Yes I know but people buy into that just like we talked about here. We are so used to knowing everything right now and we think we cannot live without a cell phone. My goodness, and to think I used to drive miles and miles with not a store in sight, no cell phone, and no fear. I felt safe. Now we have technology everywhere and no longer feel safe or secure. We seem to have a fake security that our cell phone will save us. And we tell ourselves we don’t mind giving up our privacy for that false sense of security. We are all guilty of it.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Did I quote your post?

Did I say you were misinterpreting?

I only responded to artis and let him know what I know re sentencing and 2-6 yrs.

But okay...

Yes, you did.

 

[jaspermac]

This is interesting..

In 2003, 20-year-old Ryan Holle loaned his car to his roommate, who proceeded to drive with several accomplices to steal a safe from an acquaintance’s house. When they found a woman at home, one of the accomplices beat her to death. Holle, who was miles away at the time, is serving life without parole in Florida.

It makes you wonder with all the people who knew various things prior to the crime, and may or may not have helped out in any way. Even as simple as borrowing a cell phone to communicate for a short period of time.

Would LE go so far as to lay charges?

Or is the example above just an outlier and not the norm- where charges usually aren' t laid??

 

[jaspermac]

Yes, you did.

Not that I can see. I didn't have any communication with you.

But if I offended you, my apologies. It won't happen again.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Not that I can see. I didn't have any communication with you.

But if I offended you, my apologies. It won't happen again.

Um, post #246.

 

[Love Never Fails]

This is interesting..

In 2003, 20-year-old Ryan Holle loaned his car to his roommate, who proceeded to drive with several accomplices to steal a safe from an acquaintance’s house. When they found a woman at home, one of the accomplices beat her to death. Holle, who was miles away at the time, is serving life without parole in Florida.

It makes you wonder with all the people who knew various things prior to the crime, and may or may not have helped out in any way. Even as simple as borrowing a cell phone to communicate for a short period of time.

Would LE go so far as to lay charges?

Or is the example above just an outlier and not the norm- where charges usually aren' t laid??

Life isn’t fair. And justice isn’t handed down evenly is it? That’s a sad story and breaks my heart. I doubt the enablers will be charged but they should be.
Likewise, Ryan Holle should not be in prison. But I guess we are known by the company we keep.

 

[jaspermac]

Um, post #246.

I looked at 246, because I wanted to be 100 percent fair to you and I thought maybe I really had a mini stroke and have no memory.

You responded to my post to artis in post 246. I wasn't responding to your original post- I never did. Nor did I question you.

But seriously, I have ticked you off enormously. That doesn't make me feel good. So lets call it a day.

 

[Dave F.]

This is interesting..

In 2003, 20-year-old Ryan Holle loaned his car to his roommate, who proceeded to drive with several accomplices to steal a safe from an acquaintance’s house. When they found a woman at home, one of the accomplices beat her to death. Holle, who was miles away at the time, is serving life without parole in Florida.

It makes you wonder with all the people who knew various things prior to the crime, and may or may not have helped out in any way. Even as simple as borrowing a cell phone to communicate for a short period of time.

Would LE go so far as to lay charges?

Or is the example above just an outlier and not the norm- where charges usually aren' t laid??

Colorado will exradite a father for delinquent child support, even if the child is grown and gone. You had better believe they will extradite anyone in this case that they think they have a reasonable chance of convicting.

 

[jaspermac]

Life isn’t fair. And justice isn’t handed down evenly is it? That’s a sad story and breaks my heart. I doubt the enablers will be charged but they should be.
Likewise, Ryan Holle should not be in prison. But I guess we are known by the company we keep.

I am hoping that maybe they didn't give the entire info in that case, like maybe he knew they had been talking about doing it.

I just wonder how it all ties into all of shenanigins that the R's have said happened, if it is true.

 

[jaspermac]

Colorado will exradite a father for delinquent child support, even if the child is grown and gone. You had better believe they will extradite anyone in this case that they think they have a reasonable chance of convicting.

Good to know because I am starting to lose faith a bit because we have seen any additional arrests. I keep holding on to the fact they want to know everything they are dealing with and not have missed anything before they charge but it is taking forever...

 

[Love Never Fails]

Colorado will exradite a father for delinquent child support, even if the child is grown and gone. You had better believe they will extradite anyone in this case that they think they have a reasonable chance of convicting.

Ha...this makes me feel better about this case.