CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #31 *ARREST*

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If a witness or party to the crime is talking, might not be any trials. Once the defendant knows what the DA has, what the penalty might be, etc., there could be a plea.
Correct. I was responding to the statement that even moving to Denver wouldn't help because the case has been big news and highly talked about there.
 
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When you say it was, "noted." Noted where? I haven't seen LE or media report to be looking for the car seat, or having said a word about anything that may have been missing or out of sorts. Where did this statement originally arise?
But who said it was missing?? It was pointed out that the car seat KB had for baby K was different than the one PF had her in, but that's all I remember. Do you have a link for this?

Eta : NM I found the post in question; but it only referenced that PF had a separate car seat...and a little speculation here at WS about it. No msm references.

I'd assume the parents both had separate car seats as it would make transfers much easier.
 
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Reportedly, KK/PF dated as teens, friends of hers claim they rekindled their “relationship” in or around 2016.

Imo:

Woman + cowboy + woman = murder

Those rekindling things are touchy. I fell in love with a red headed boy when I was 14. At 17, we broke up because of Vietnam and both of us got married to other people. Every time a divorce happened, (him more than I) we rekindled. And each and every time, I wondered why the heck I was doing this to myself because he would break it off. At 65, this sucker showed up again, red hair white as snow. I agreed to try again, only this time before he left, I told him I had always been madly in love with him only now since I lived my life without him, I had no intentions in letting go of him this time.
Point of the story....if this guy showed up one more time at my door, I was going to have to kill him! So ladies....you wanna never see a man again, tell him of your undying love and wanting to plan your lives together for all time, and you don't have to kill anyone! They run like the wind! Even when they're 65! :D:rolleyes::D
 
  • #525
I'd equate this situation to an emergency, in KK and PF's eyes. KK was protecting PF (and likely herself) from life in prison or worse. Not to mention the adrenaline pumping just like an emergency. Even if I didn't commit a crime, if someone told me my freedom, or someone I cared for deeply's freedom (from jail or otherwise) or life depended on me driving for 12 hours straight. I'd do it. I'd force myself to do it.

It's not an emergency if they pre-planned it. By definition, emergencies are unexpected. A ridiculous and risky 16 hour round-trip drive for a phone is something that easily could've been circumvented and made easier with planning---which he was doing.

He could've just as easily sent that phone by mail and accomplished the same thing.

There is no way he waited until Friday night to tell her: "hey, I killed Kelsey yesterday. Drive down here tomorrow (Saturday) and get Kelsey's phone...the one I could've dropped in a dropbox last night and would be to you probably tomorrow, Monday at the latest had I done so."

How would he know she would be able to? What if she was working that weekend? What if she had plans that weekend? He knew none of this was happening because it was planned and KK knew about it. If her sole role was the phone, the less risky way to handle it would be to mail it to her.
 
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I haven’t heard a single thing reported regarding the car seat being missing.

I think an unfounded rumor is growing legs here.

It may have been speculated only here at WS.
I can go back and edit my post. I'm still reading backwards but if the only thing missing is her purse, then hopeful that item will be found.
If her purse is found... more than likely the perp(s) disposed of it long ago.
MOO
 
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Yes. The Holly Bobo case comes to mind, as one example.

There were many co-defendants in that case, arrests of the animals involved were made over the course of several months.

And several of the attorneys, DA's on line here have said don't worry charges will be laid.

So I hang on to that.
 
  • #528
Those rekindling things are touchy. I fell in love with a red headed boy when I was 14. At 17, we broke up because of Vietnam and both of us got married to other people. Every time a divorce happened, (him more than I) we rekindled. And each and every time, I wondered why the heck I was doing this to myself because he would break it off. At 65, this sucker showed up again, red hair white as snow. I agreed to try again, only this time before he left, I told him I had always been madly in love with him only now since I lived my life without him, I had no intentions in letting go of him this time.
Point of the story....if this guy showed up one more time at my door, I was going to have to kill him! So ladies....you wanna never see a man again, tell him of your undying love and wanting to plan your lives together for all time, and you don't have to kill anyone! They run like the wind! Even when they're 65! :D:rolleyes::D

Love this!
See, you’ve proven my point, lol. It happens. Some women can’t get past a certain guy, her love/infatuation lasts a lifetime. Men are prob the same.
I think PF is the man of KK’s dreams.
I’ve heard more than one cowboy say, “a cowboy has one special horse, dog & woman, in his lifetime.” Might be true for a cowgirl, too. Jmo
IMO, P was possibly trying to break things off with KK...., she blamed KB. Is it not possible she felt she would never have P, that he’d end up with the mother of his child?
This is the only thing that makes sense to me.
Again, imo, P did not need money & easily made 4X what KB made.
He could not afford the horses, trips, rodeos, etc., if destitute. Horses are costly pets.
 
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It's not an emergency if they pre-planned it. By definition, emergencies are unexpected. A ridiculous and risky 16 hour round-trip drive for a phone is something that easily could've been circumvented and made easier with planning---which he was doing.

He could've just as easily sent that phone by mail and accomplished the same thing.

There is no way he waited until Friday night to tell her: "hey, I killed Kelsey yesterday. Drive down here tomorrow (Saturday) and get Kelsey's phone...the one I could've dropped in a dropbox last night and would be to you probably tomorrow, Monday at the latest had I done so."

How would he know she would be able to? What if she was working that weekend? What if she had plans that weekend? He knew none of this was happening because it was planned and KK knew about it. If her sole role was the phone, the less risky way to handle it would be to mail it to her.
It was an emergency in the sense that you are in full on fight-or-flight mode to save your life. You're going to feel that rush that allows you to realize if you have this phone in your possession later, you are chopped liver. So you drive, and drive, and ignore being tired because it feels like your only way to be safe at this point.
 
  • #530
And several of the attorneys, DA's on line here have said don't worry charges will be laid.

So I hang on to that.

Me, too, j-mac. I trust the experts here.

Many thanks to the attorneys actively participating on KB's thread; your willingness to talk shop off the clock is much appreciated!
 
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Better yet, what prompted the discussion between M and the Rs in the first place? My boss, even if he IS a lawyer, is not who I would have talked to first. It would have been my girlfriends.
I agree.... I've wondered if it's more than an employer/employee relationship, for example, if her parents were friends with, or related to, the R's, or something like that...
 
  • #532
I could be wrong.

Eta : Never mind.
Cannot find it... although I thought I might have replied to the speculation.
(Thinking out loud is not always my best choice.)
I wondered about her use of the carseat at all, in the grocery cart. In the various videos, PF can clearly be seen carrying the child with arm arm under her posterior and she is holding herself erect. When he places her in his truck and straps her into the car seat, which is already in place. In the store video, KB is carrying the car seat with the child strapped into it. Those car seats are meant to be strapped into a back-facing position with the car restraints. It is not easy to get it done right, so many parents just leave them in place.
KB's neighbor gave her a used toddler gate to use at the top of her stairway in the condo just a couple of weeks earlier, so I'm assuming she was worried about her crawling child taking a header out of the loft, which is the only bedroom. Again, if she was crawling actively, did she need to be restained in a car seat in the store?
I don't have an answer, or even speculation........but I feel like I have observed a major difference between the two parents' approach to child care.
IMO
 
  • #533
I wondered about her use of the carseat at all, in the grocery cart. In the various videos, PF can clearly be seen carrying the child with arm arm under her posterior and she is holding herself erect. When he places her in his truck and straps her into the car seat, which is already in place. In the store video, KB is carrying the car seat with the child strapped into it. Those car seats are meant to be strapped into a back-facing position with the car restraints. It is not easy to get it done right, so many parents just leave them in place.
KB's neighbor gave her a used toddler gate to use at the top of her stairway in the condo just a couple of weeks earlier, so I'm assuming she was worried about her crawling child taking a header out of the loft, which is the only bedroom. Again, if she was crawling actively, did she need to be restained in a car seat in the store?
I don't have an answer, or even speculation........but I feel like I have observed a major difference between the two parents' approach to child care.
IMO
It’s really not that surprising. Kelsey was a doting mother, PF is a cold blooded killer.

Slightly different parenting styles would be the least of their differences.
 
  • #534
The purpose of moving a trial is to more easily find an impartial jury, not to find people who haven't heard of the case. Otherwise, people like Scott Peterson, Dahmer, etc would never get trials.
I guarantee you that people in Redwood City had heard of Scott Peterson by the time that case went to trial. But theoretically, you get a larger jury pool in an urban area, not to mention people who are not related to, or friends/friends of friends with any of the parties.
 
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Love this!
See, you’ve proven my point, lol. It happens. Some women can’t get past a certain guy, her love/infatuation lasts a lifetime. Men are prob the same.
I think PF is the man of KK’s dreams.
I’ve heard more than one cowboy say, “a cowboy has one special horse, dog & woman, in his lifetime.” Might be true for a cowgirl, too. Jmo
IMO, P was possibly trying to break things off with KK...., she blamed KB. Is it not possible she felt she would never have P, that he’d end up with the mother of his child?
This is the only thing that makes sense to me.
Again, imo, P did not need money & easily made 4X what KB made.
He could not afford the horses, trips, rodeos, etc., if destitute. Horses are costly pets.
Actually, there are times when you put two sociopaths together, they make a deadly combination. I think PF is the killer and he used KK. But I do believe she played along willingly. A deadly game for them. And sadly, Kelsey paid with her life. I will be glad when we have more REAL facts.
 
  • #536
February 19th.

34 more days until we find out more about the trail of neon flashing bread crumbs PF left for LE to lead them to his doorstep in double quick time.
 
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I wondered about her use of the carseat at all, in the grocery cart. In the various videos, PF can clearly be seen carrying the child with arm arm under her posterior and she is holding herself erect. When he places her in his truck and straps her into the car seat, which is already in place. In the store video, KB is carrying the car seat with the child strapped into it. Those car seats are meant to be strapped into a back-facing position with the car restraints. It is not easy to get it done right, so many parents just leave them in place.
KB's neighbor gave her a used toddler gate to use at the top of her stairway in the condo just a couple of weeks earlier, so I'm assuming she was worried about her crawling child taking a header out of the loft, which is the only bedroom. Again, if she was crawling actively, did she need to be restained in a car seat in the store?
I don't have an answer, or even speculation........but I feel like I have observed a major difference between the two parents' approach to child care.
IMO
It looked to me, the style of car seat KB was carrying in the store is the kind that snaps into a base. The base is a hassle to get in and out of the car, but the seat itself is really easy to remove. It's also handy for parents because you can have 1 seat, and multiple bases. The bases stay in each car you have, and you just snap the same seat into any of the bases.
 
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Those rekindling things are touchy. I fell in love with a red headed boy when I was 14. At 17, we broke up because of Vietnam and both of us got married to other people. Every time a divorce happened, (him more than I) we rekindled. And each and every time, I wondered why the heck I was doing this to myself because he would break it off. At 65, this sucker showed up again, red hair white as snow. I agreed to try again, only this time before he left, I told him I had always been madly in love with him only now since I lived my life without him, I had no intentions in letting go of him this time.
Point of the story....if this guy showed up one more time at my door, I was going to have to kill him! So ladies....you wanna never see a man again, tell him of your undying love and wanting to plan your lives together for all time, and you don't have to kill anyone! They run like the wind! Even when they're 65! :D:rolleyes::D
Hahaha, the old "How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days" strategy! :p:cool:
 
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I guarantee you that people in Redwood City had heard of Scott Peterson by the time that case went to trial. But theoretically, you get a larger jury pool in an urban area, not to mention, people who are not related to, or friends/friends of friends with any of the parties.
I live on the opposite side of the country, had never heard of WS, FB, Twitter (if they even existed then). And I was riveted by that case. People from around the world watched it on cable on Court tv.
 
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Court: Case of missing Colorado woman with Idaho ties is sealed

“At this moment, this case is not under investigation by the Twin Falls County Sheriff’s Office or the Twin Falls Police Department,” county Prosecutor Grant Loebs told the Times-News on Thursday. That won’t change, “unless there is a tie to some crime committed in Idaho.”

Meanwhile, discussion groups on Facebook devoted to the Berreth case grow daily. The Facebook group “Prayers for Kelsey Berreth” has more than 14,000 members. YouTube channels such as "Woodland Park Underground" continue to focus on the investigation.

The county will continue to help in the investigation as needed, Loebs said.

“But the last thing we would want is to do something that would interfere with the investigation,” he said. “Any time speculation and rumors that are not factual are released, and re-released on social media, it’s a bad thing for an investigation.”

The Twin Falls County Sheriff’s Office and the Twin Falls Police Department confirmed in a Dec. 22 statement that the agencies were contacted by the FBI on Dec. 15. The two agencies, in a joint special investigation unit, assisted the FBI in obtaining the search warrants, served multiple search warrants and “processed some items of evidence” related to Berreth’s disappearance, the statements said.

The Times-News contacted Lee Richards, spokeswoman for the district attorney’s office in Colorado Springs recently to clarify some conflicting information reported by various news outlets. Richards told the Times-News the case was sealed.

“I can’t answer any questions,” she said.

Richards posts updates to the case on the district attorney’s Facebook page, called the 4th Judicial District Attorney’s Office.

ABC News reported early in January that a 32-year-old nurse from Twin Falls is being investigated for allegedly disposing of the missing woman’s cellphone in Idaho, according to two of the woman’s family members and a law enforcement source.

ABC withheld the woman’s name “because she has not been publicly identified or charged,” the report said. Some media have released the woman’s name, citing a “ family friend.”

CNN corroborated the report, citing “a source with knowledge of the investigation.”

St. Luke’s spokeswoman Michelle Bartlome confirmed that law enforcement contacted the hospital. Bartlome, however, said she “wasn’t in a position to disclose” which agency made contact.

Media who identified themselves as an NBC reporter, an ABC producer and a freelance photographer for the U.K.’s Daily Mail converged Jan. 4 at a home in Twin Falls County expecting to find the FBI serving a search warrant, they said. What they found were “no trespassing” signs and a heavy chain across the entrance to the property.

Since then, the district attorney’s office in Colorado asked the Twin Falls County Sheriff’s Office to not grant any more interviews, sheriff’s spokeswoman Lori Stewart said."

More at link.
 
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