CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #31 *ARREST*

[jaspermac]

I am beginning to wonder if PF is not the only one not talking.

Maybe KK isn't talking either and that is making the situation longer and more difficult for LE. Although, I don't know that you can be in protective custody if you aren't talking. Plus we already know she can't stop talking.

I have talked myself out of that theory.

 

[Trudie]

Actually, there are times when you put two sociopaths together, they make a deadly combination. I think PF is the killer and he used KK. But I do believe she played along willingly. A deadly game for them. And sadly, Kelsey paid with her life. I will be glad when we have more REAL facts.

Ita, we know so little, As facts come out, I might change my opinion.
My interpretation of what I’ve read is KK is love sick over PF. If so, she (in her mind) had reason to want her out of the picture. Spite.
Once we learn of texts between PF/KB, PF/KK & I firmly believe it likely KK contacted KB.
What do teen girls do, in a love triangle? They harass the other girl!
If KK had a romantic interest in PF, there’s NO WAY, imo, she never contacted KB.
Even women separated/divorced are known to go after & otherwise torment the “new” woman. We all know the type.

 

[WildWest]

It looked to me, the style of car seat KB was carrying in the store is the kind that snaps into a base. The base is a hassle to get in and out of the car, but the seat itself is really easy to remove. It's also handy for parents because you can have 1 seat, and multiple bases. The bases stay in each car you have, and you just snap the same seat into any of the bases.

Thats what my thinking was, we had one infant car seat, and 3 bases for our vehicles, we could click the kiddo in any of those vehicles.

 

[SoVeryMe]

That's what gets me. 12 long hours to rethink what she was getting into. Why didn't she just stop, call LE and cry a river to them if she was that fearful? PLEAD to them about what she knew to protect another mother about to die. What kind of hold did PF have on her? I won't take the leap to say she was actually there when it happened, but I get this feeling (like others) that she wanted KB gone for her own selfish reasons and she was in on it from the get go. I hope the charges against her, if and when they come, reflect that.

Yeah, that whole fear thing is just a sad ploy at victimizing KK which is even more disgusting. PF must be something I’m not seeing to have such a hold on an intelligent women and rodeo queen to boot over 800 miles away!

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Hahaha, the old "How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days" strategy!

Ah yes! But it works and nobody's feeling get hurt. That was almost 4 years ago. Think I've seen him since???

 

[Love Never Fails]

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Ita, we know so little, As facts come out, I might change my opinion.
My interpretation of what I’ve read is KK is love sick over PF. If so, she (in her mind) had reason to want her out of the picture. Spite.
Once we learn of texts between PF/KB, PF/KK & I firmly believe it likely KK contacted KB.
What do teen girls do, in a love triangle? They harass the other girl!
If KK had a romantic interest in PF, there’s NO WAY, imo, she never contacted KB.
Even women separated/divorced are known to go after & otherwise torment the “new” woman. We all know the type.

I know, but we don’t have facts yet either way.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Ah yes! But it works and nobody's feeling get hurt. That was almost 4 years ago. Think I've seen him since???

Sounds to me like you dodged a bullet. He could have said yes.

 

[GordianKnot]

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[Trudie]

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I know, but we don’t have facts yet either way.

Right & won’t for a long time. Unless R’s return for an encore. Or we get to meet “M”.
I’m expressing my interpretation of KK.

 

[GordianKnot]

I am beginning to wonder if PF is not the only one not talking.

Maybe KK isn't talking either and that is making the situation longer and more difficult for LE. Although, I don't know that you can be in protective custody if you aren't talking. Plus we already know she can't stop talking.

I have talked myself out of that theory.

Ha! j-mac, I know just what you mean. A little bit ago I talked myself out of the idea that perhaps PF would give up the location of KB's remains in exchange for the DA taking the DP off the table.

I then realized that this would necessitate PF pleading guilty and talked myself right straight out of buying that scenario.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Sounds to me like you dodged a bullet. He could have said yes.

Believe me.....it works. Even my girlfriends use it now because for some reason when yer old, all these old flames start showin up again! Probably because we're still breathing. LOLOL

 

[Aydrianna523]

Makes me sad when Kelsey (and other young murdered women) don't get to raise their children like most women do. (We had a couple local mothers killed last year. Fortunately, the fathers didn't kill the babies).
And many women go on to be grandmas and great grandmas, as well. Just sad.
Talk about a robbery!

 

[Kapua]

Ha! j-mac, I know just what you mean. A little bit ago I talked myself out of the idea that perhaps PF would give up the location of KB's remains in exchange for the DA taking the DP off the table.

I then realized that this would require PF to plead guilty and talked myself right straight out of buying that scenario.

Hans Reiser gave up the location of the body of his estranged wife, Nina, in exchange for a lighter sentence) after he was convicted (without a body). This could be possible here. MOO IANAL

 

[GordianKnot]

Hans Reiser gave up the location of the body of his estranged wife, Nina, in exchange for a lighter sentence) after he was convicted (without a body). This could be possible here. MOO IANAL

So, in the case you mentioned, this Reiser creep was convicted and then gave up the location of his wife between the trial verdict and the sentencing hearing, is that right?

That is indeed interesting, Kapua! Thanks for sharing!

 

[GordianKnot]

I am beginning to wonder if PF is not the only one not talking.

Maybe KK isn't talking either and that is making the situation longer and more difficult for LE. Although, I don't know that you can be in protective custody if you aren't talking. Plus we already know she can't stop talking.

I have talked myself out of that theory.

But we don't know for certain that KK is in protective custody, do we?

 

[Kapua]

So, in the case you mentioned, this Reiser creep was convicted and then gave up the location of his wife between the trial verdict and the sentencing hearing, is that right?

That is indeed interesting, Kapua! Thanks for sharing!

Yes. It was an interesting case and very similar to this one in terms of the arrogance of the accused. We don't know all of the evidence yet, but PF seemed to want to promote the "she ran off" theory with her two cars in the driveway. Hans left behind a lot of blood evidence and removed the passenger seat from his vehicle (!).
Hans Reiser - Wikipedia

 

[NCTeacher]

Hans Reiser gave up the location of the body of his estranged wife, Nina, in exchange for a lighter sentence) after he was convicted (without a body). This could be possible here. MOO IANAL

I had to google, I figured it was a German or Austrian case, but no, right there in California.

 

[susiQ]

Love this!
See, you’ve proven my point, lol. It happens. Some women can’t get past a certain guy, her love/infatuation lasts a lifetime. Men are prob the same.
I think PF is the man of KK’s dreams.
I’ve heard more than one cowboy say, “a cowboy has one special horse, dog & woman, in his lifetime.” Might be true for a cowgirl, too. Jmo
IMO, P was possibly trying to break things off with KK...., she blamed KB. Is it not possible she felt she would never have P, that he’d end up with the mother of his child?
This is the only thing that makes sense to me.
Again, imo, P did not need money & easily made 4X what KB made.
He could not afford the horses, trips, rodeos, etc., if destitute. Horses are costly pets.

Here's the thing, for me at least.

I believe KK wanted KB out of the way. KB stood between her and "her man." What other reason could there be for her to get involved in this horrible crime? Suggestions anyone? BUT, PF wanted KB gone too. He KNEW he could not live up to her expectations as a husband. I'm sure he's been sowing his wild oats for some time and had no plans to change his life style. Maybe initially he thought it could work. But let's face it, him carrying the baby onto the job wasn't going to work for too long. I'm sure he felt emasculated by someone like KB. A bright light, a professional with possibilities of moving up. I'm not demeaning trades here, just maybe not a good match never mind his anger management issues. She may have loved him but she didn't NEED him to survive. I believe he was still stringing KB along and that she had no idea what was coming. He was also giving hope to KK at the same time, by staying in contact, owning horses together (if that's true) and maybe "hooking up" now and then. This would have meant much more to her than to him.

I wouldn't be surprised if they conspired together to do this and KK is throwing him under the bus with the "solicitation". Must also take into consideration that someone else may have been solicited as well at some point in those 3 months and has come forward. At this point, I just think LE couldn't get it that wrong and that KK was the driving force. They had to have more than just KK telling them that PF solicited her to kill KB, 3 times, two times, whatever. I REALLY hope that accusation can be backed up through communication evidence and they are not just taking KK's word for it, because anything coming out of her mouth should be suspect. Regardless, I believe PF did the deed, with or without her and LE have the evidence. She took the phone to give him an alibi, hoping if they got away with this, that they would live happily ever after.

Not in this lifetime. MOO
edit:couldn't

 

[GordianKnot]

Yes. It was an interesting case and very similar to this one in terms of the arrogance of the accused. We don't know all of the evidence yet, but PF seemed to want to promote the "she ran off" theory with her two cars in the driveway. Hans left behind a lot of blood evidence and removed the passenger seat from his vehicle (!).
Hans Reiser - Wikipedia

Ha. Proving once again that it's true, so very, very true: "You can't fix stupid."

 

[UKslueth2018]

Keep checking and hoping there will be some news for Kelsey's family...

Really hope they are grilling KK and that she talks.. I don't understand how one person could be involved in murdering another let alone a mother doing that to another and leaving a child without one.. Whatever her involvement she should have spoke up before this ever happened..

And I am not impressed with the R's media campaign should be keeping their gobs shut xx