CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #31 *ARREST*

[InvSmith]

My guess is that the RR's are correct.....the FBI took Krystal's phone on Dec. 17th. The FBI never uses couriers. Coincidentally, the central electronic data processing center for the FBI is in Pocatello, Idaho; but my guess is that the phone itself went from FBI deputy special agent/Pocatello, who KK handed it to, FBI special agent in Salt Lake City office, to FBI forensics lab in Quantico, Virginia.

They also may work at private data centers that have rooms for them. These centers have the appropriate security. I saw one once while inspecting the data center but was not allowed to go into that room due to clearance. Very interesting... this was middle America.

 

[jaspermac]

But we don't know for certain that KK is in protective custody, do we?

Very true, but there are few options for where she is.

I don't believe she is hiding out with friends or relatives because we are hearing nothing about her and no sitings. I can't believe she is the type who could just go to ground.
But i could be wrong.

 

[gregjrichards]

Makes me sad when Kelsey (and other young murdered women) don't get to raise their children like most women do. (We had a couple local mothers killed last year. Fortunately, the fathers didn't kill the babies).
And many women go on to be grandmas and great grandmas, as well. Just sad.
Talk about a robbery!

I know it’s horrendous and it breaks my heart to think of Kelsey thinking about her little girl as she was killed.

 

[Trudie]

But we don't know for certain that KK is in protective custody, do we?

I don’t get what some think she needs protection from?
Do you?
Who provide such protection?
Tysm

 

[InvSmith]

Keep checking and hoping there will be some news for Kelsey's family...

Really hope they are grilling KK and that she talks.. I don't understand how one person could be involved in murdering another let alone a mother doing that to another and leaving a child without one.. Whatever her involvement she should have spoke up before this ever happened..

And I am not impressed with the R's media campaign should be keeping their gobs shut xx

I think the RR's gave us some insight into how all this happened by third-handed information but it did not get close to telling us why...

 

[InvSmith]

I don’t get what some think she needs protection from?
Do you?
Who provide such protection?
Tysm

I think LE means witness contamination protection. This was stated during the opening charges.

 

[susiQ]

I am beginning to wonder if PF is not the only one not talking.

Maybe KK isn't talking either and that is making the situation longer and more difficult for LE. Although, I don't know that you can be in protective custody if you aren't talking. Plus we already know she can't stop talking.

I have talked myself out of that theory.

I wondered about that too.
It's been reported (somewhere) that she is cooperating with the investigation. So was PF, through his attorney, and he didn't say much KK has an attorney too.

 

[InvSmith]

I know it’s horrendous and it breaks my heart to think of Kelsey thinking about her little girl as she was killed.

This is way to sad to consider.

 

[GordianKnot]

I don’t get what some think she needs protection from?
Do you?
Who provide such protection?
Tysm

Trudie, in answer to your question, no, I'm with you.
Color me confused on the whole protective custody discussion.
I do not know what/who KK would need protection from right now.
PF is behind bars, hopefully sporting pink panties.
He poses no threat to KK.

IMO, the only one who it would make sense for LE to have in protective custody right now is KK's BFF.

That is JMO.

 

[Trudie]

Here's the thing, for me at least.

I believe KK wanted KB out of the way. KB stood between her and "her man." What other reason could there be for her to get involved in this horrible crime? Suggestions anyone? BUT, PF wanted KB gone too. He KNEW he could not live up to her expectations as a husband. I'm sure he's been sowing his wild oats for some time and had no plans to change his life style. Maybe initially he thought it could work. But let's face it, him carrying the baby onto the job wasn't going to work for too long. I'm sure he felt emasculated by someone like KB. A bright light, a professional with possibilities of moving up. I'm not demeaning trades here, just maybe not a good match never mind his anger management issues. She may have loved him but she didn't NEED him to survive. I believe he was still stringing KB along and that she had no idea what was coming. He was also giving hope to KK at the same time, by staying in contact, owning horses together (if that's true) and maybe "hooking up" now and then. This would have meant much more to her than to him.

I wouldn't be surprised if they conspired together to do this and KK is throwing him under the bus with the "solicitation". Must also take into consideration that someone else may have been solicited as well at some point in those 3 months and has come forward. At this point, I just think LE could get it that wrong and that KK was the driving force. They had to have more than just KK telling them that PF solicited her to kill KB, 3 times, two times, whatever. I REALLY hope that accusation can be backed up through communication evidence and they are not just taking KK's word for it, because anything coming out of her mouth should be suspect. Regardless, I believe PF did the deed, with or without her and LE have the evidence. She took the phone to give him an alibi, hoping if they got away with this, that they would live happily ever after.

Not in this lifetime. MOO

Good post.
The one thing I think I know, KK was not opposed to helping.
I can’t comment about P knowing he couldn’t live up to KB’s expectations. Evidently she liked him enough to have a baby with him. Her mom stated they were engaged. I don’t see a cowboy feeling emasculated, either. Not much more of a masculine image than a cowboy, imo. Again, his profession is very lucrative. He could have easily been in the 6 figure income bracket, imo.
Moo

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

New Legs for Sam

Here’s an old article about KK’s queen days

Lmao the Irony about a Rodeo Queen,and her reputation.
MOO

 

[InvSmith]

I am beginning to wonder if PF is not the only one not talking.

Maybe KK isn't talking either and that is making the situation longer and more difficult for LE. Although, I don't know that you can be in protective custody if you aren't talking. Plus we already know she can't stop talking.

I have talked myself out of that theory.

I haven't considered this as an option. I wouldn't think it would be real smart.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Here's the thing, for me at least.

I believe KK wanted KB out of the way. KB stood between her and "her man." What other reason could there be for her to get involved in this horrible crime? Suggestions anyone? BUT, PF wanted KB gone too. He KNEW he could not live up to her expectations as a husband. I'm sure he's been sowing his wild oats for some time and had no plans to change his life style. Maybe initially he thought it could work. But let's face it, him carrying the baby onto the job wasn't going to work for too long. I'm sure he felt emasculated by someone like KB. A bright light, a professional with possibilities of moving up. I'm not demeaning trades here, just maybe not a good match never mind his anger management issues. She may have loved him but she didn't NEED him to survive. I believe he was still stringing KB along and that she had no idea what was coming. He was also giving hope to KK at the same time, by staying in contact, owning horses together (if that's true) and maybe "hooking up" now and then. This would have meant much more to her than to him.

I wouldn't be surprised if they conspired together to do this and KK is throwing him under the bus with the "solicitation". Must also take into consideration that someone else may have been solicited as well at some point in those 3 months and has come forward. At this point, I just think LE could get it that wrong and that KK was the driving force. They had to have more than just KK telling them that PF solicited her to kill KB, 3 times, two times, whatever. I REALLY hope that accusation can be backed up through communication evidence and they are not just taking KK's word for it, because anything coming out of her mouth should be suspect. Regardless, I believe PF did the deed, with or without her and LE have the evidence. She took the phone to give him an alibi, hoping if they got away with this, that they would live happily ever after.

Not in this lifetime. MOO

If we had more to go on, we could make some educated guesses.

For all we know, KK could have helped just because she is one mean nasty woman. Not for love, not for money, not because she loves PF. Just mean and nasty. There are people in the world like that.

On the other hand, she may have driven into town to see a relative and have a quickie with PF, seeing as how she likely knows all her hometown boys. And then decided she would do PF the favor of disposing of evidence.

And alas, maybe she did love PF. I am betting no she did not. If she loved him she would have begged him not to do what he did. If there was a speck of decency in that heart, she would have told him to drop dead himself.

And then, maybe KK isn’t guilty of anything. Maybe he had another fling in Idaho who helped him out. Or a male friend who helped him out.

We just don’t know!

 

[Trudie]

Trudie, in answer to your question, no, I'm with you.
I do not know what/who KK would need protection from right now.
PF is behind bars, hopefully sporting pink panties.
He poses no threat to KK.

IMO, the only one who it would make sense for LE to have in protective custody right now is KK's BFF.

That is JMO.

Tysm Knot.
PC sounds like something from a Lifetime movie.
There are far worse cases with witnesses living a normal life, pre/post trial.
What agency would even “protect” her? I’m sure ID has few resources in small towns. CO LE has no authority in ID.
IMO, as I’ve previously posted.....a hospital or she’s holed up on a family ranch.
The comment about witnesses needing protection, imo, was taken out of context. Imo, that meant only protection from the press, I think in reference to “M”. The DA would not want her hounded & coerced into talking, imo. The longer papers are sealed, the better for “M”. Protection is a term used to imply protecting privacy. Then, along came the R’s.....
Another thing, if KK needs protection, maybe LE needs to put a BOLO out in ID. What if the person wishing to harm her wants to go after her friends, family, etc.
Who would want to harm her? Why? A person wanting justice probably prefers she go thru the judicial process.

I asked earlier, would we know if an arrest warrant has been signed, not executed? No, not imo. Why would that be revealed?

 

[Trudie]

Lmao the Irony about a Rodeo Queen,and her reputation.
MOO

She predicted her future.....

 

[susiQ]

Good post.
The one thing I think I know, KK was not opposed to helping.
I can’t comment about P knowing he couldn’t live up to KB’s expectations. Evidently she liked him enough to have a baby with him. Her mom stated they were engaged. I don’t see a cowboy feeling emasculated, either. Not much more of a masculine image than a cowboy, imo. Again, his profession is very lucrative. He could have easily been in the 6 figure income bracket, imo.
Moo

As far as the baby goes, I'm sure it wasn't planned, but these things happen. She may have known him in the "biblical" sense, but she really didn't know what kind of man he was and that he was utterly unworthy of her love.

 

[GordianKnot]

I can hear it now.

"Your Honor, my client is a woman of sterling character.
Why, she was crowned Rodeo Queen of the Magic Valley Stampede."

I defy any attorney to say that with a straight face in a courtroom.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I don’t get what some think she needs protection from?
Do you?
Who provide such protection?
Tysm

If there is another player out there, not yet named willing to off her because they are POed PF is locked up with all the charges against him. This case is crazy as all let out.

 

[dkryder]

PF wouldn’t maintain his silence to protect anyone else, he’d do it to protect himself.

i think PF is the only person who can keep PF from being "railroaded". but to do that PF has to talk. first though he has to figure out what to say which will come after he learns what LE knows.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Tysm Knot.
PC sounds like something from a Lifetime movie.
There are far worse cases with witnesses living a normal life, pre/post trial.
What agency would even “protect” her? I’m sure ID has few resources in small towns. CO LE has no authority in ID.
IMO, as I’ve previously posted.....a hospital or she’s holed up on a family ranch.
The comment about witnesses needing protection, imo, was taken out of context. Imo, that meant only protection from the press, I think in reference to “M”. The DA would not want her hounded & coerced into talking, imo. The longer papers are sealed, the better for “M”. Then, along came the R’s.....
Another thing, if KK needs protection, maybe LE needs to put a BOLO out in ID. What if the person wishing to harm her wants to go after her friends, family, etc.


I asked earlier, would we know if an arrest warrant has been signed, not executed? No, not imo. Why would that be revealed?

What if KK had nothing to do with this? What if all the rumors are not true? What if the R’s are just nutty? What if PF did have a flame but it wasn’t KK. Maybe the woman does lives in Idaho or the next State over? What if the protected witness is a man and LE knows he helped and he is cooperating? Maybe KK is on an island and taking a leave of absence because of all the gossip. I am to the point where I am out of guesses . One thing we know. They have their suspect in custody.