CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #32 *ARREST*

[jaspermac]

Learning every day! I had heard this spoken, but always thought it would be spelled caughten on.

I don't like that the press gave a warning of a pending search when I don't think we really know if all of the players in this have been discovered.

I know this has been stated by many, but I am truly hopeful that they will find KB and be able to put her to rest, but also completely heartbroken at the possiblity of finding her in a landfill.

MOO

I agree, it is the ultimate disrespect to get rid of someone at a landfill. ( the murder aside)

For the family to have to sit for weeks thinking of this.. It's awful.

I think there should be separate, serious charges for disposing of some one in a landfill.

 

[srg]

I'm confused about the K being


YAMB. I'm hoping that in 32 days we get a glimpse from the affidavit of what drove the timing of KB's murder, because the timing was more than likely closely linked to the motive.

Actual timing of the murder could be based on pragmatism, such as long weekend etc as discussed previously.

But, Thanksgiving is about connecting with family. So, timing of murder at Thanksgiving could represent PFs rageful desire at destroying family ties with KB.

Or could just be about the garbage collection and dumpster schedule.

And that I overthink things.

 

[haven71]

Maybe I misread the OP’s question, but I’ll attempt to answer my own:

Regarding solicitation of murder in Colorado:

AND



Colorado’s "Criminal Solicitation" Laws (18-2-301 C.R.S.)

EEK! It won’t let me copy and paste. But yeah, just asking them to commit the felony is not enough. The link above explains the second part of it anyway...

 

[jaspermac]

Law enforcement can’t force the media to not report on something.

I don’t see any harm in this. Its not like someone can run to the dump and recover evidence before they find it.

If she’s there, I too hope they find her.

You're right they can't stop the media.

For me the issue is more about the family- having to wait possibly weeks for the search to resolve and thinking about her being in a landfill.

In this situation it would be better to know after the fact..

 

[Dave F.]

This is what I want to know about. No reporters have footage of CBI officially going in and out for this search yet? This had to have been a substantial tip, body or weapon, for them to justify a search at a landfill. And While most think PF wouldn’t budge under questioning, I’m of the mindset that he would budge if they put the right interrogators on him. I’m hopeful for this lead in finding KB.

I think the reporters probably have great footage of themselves, standing in front of the landfill, waiting for the CBI, and I would guess that the merchants of Colorado Springs have sold a lot of very stylish winter parkas today. As for the search, the evidence is underground at this point. My theory is it will keep until the CBI is ready, and I'm sticking to it. OMI

 

[Printcess]

Law enforcement can’t force the media to not report on something.

I don’t see any harm in this. Its not like someone can run to the dump and recover evidence before they find it.

If she’s there, I too hope they find her.

I think the media setting up a perimeter would be a huge deterrent if someone even thought they could, plus it sounds like these places have pretty good security. Yay!

I wonder sometimes if there is a reason LE isn't spilling the beans, though. There was really nothing to report yet, and there is a chance, however remote, that it could hinder the investigation.

MOO

 

[gregjrichards]

I agree, it is the ultimate disrespect to get rid of someone at a landfill. ( the murder aside)

For the family to have to sit for weeks thinking of this.. It's awful.

I think there should be separate, serious charges for disposing of some one in a landfill.

I agree with you there should be a law against desecration of human remains that carries a heavy prison sentence too.

 

[GordianKnot]

I agree, it is the ultimate disrespect to get rid of someone at a landfill. ( the murder aside)

For the family to have to sit for weeks thinking of this.. It's awful.

I think there should be separate, serious charges for disposing of some one in a landfill.

Brilliant post, j-mac! I completely agree with you.

This is one of those "there oughtta' be a law" scenarios. The state ought to be able to tack on charges for interference with a corpse in cases where killers toss their victims out like so much worthless trash.

 

[MassGuy]

Brilliant post, j-mac! I completely agree with you.

This is one of those "there oughtta' be a law" scenarios. The state ought to be able to tack on charges for interference with a corpse in cases where killers toss their victims out like so much worthless trash.

They can in Colorado, as we saw in the Chris Watts case.

(1) A person commits tampering with a deceased human body if, believing that an official proceeding is pending, in progress, or about to be instituted and acting without legal right or authority, the person willfully destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes, or alters a human body, part of a human body, or human remains with intent to impair its or their appearance or availability in the official proceedings.

(2) Tampering with a deceased human body is a class 3 felony.

It would also apply here.

 

[Printcess]

They can in Colorado, as we saw in the Chris Watts case.

(1) A person commits tampering with a deceased human body if, believing that an official proceeding is pending, in progress, or about to be instituted and acting without legal right or authority, the person willfully destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes, or alters a human body, part of a human body, or human remains with intent to impair its or their appearance or availability in the official proceedings.

(2) Tampering with a deceased human body is a class 3 felony.

It would also apply here.

I am happy this is covered. Effing heinous.

I am guessing the reason that we aren't seeing this charge is LE would need a body first and that maybe it remains a possibility.

MOO

 

[GordianKnot]

They can in Colorado, as we saw in the Chris Watts case.

(1) A person commits tampering with a deceased human body if, believing that an official proceeding is pending, in progress, or about to be instituted and acting without legal right or authority, the person willfully destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes, or alters a human body, part of a human body, or human remains with intent to impair its or their appearance or availability in the official proceedings.

(2) Tampering with a deceased human body is a class 3 felony.

It would also apply here.

Good to know, thanks.

Not to be pedantic, but I'd still like to see specific criminal penalties for disposal of remains via any waste management method. Human beings are not waste material.

Well. Let me rephrase. Most are not. The PFs of this world give one cause to reconsider.

 

[Printcess]

I think the reporters probably have great footage of themselves, standing in front of the landfill, waiting for the CBI, and I would guess that the merchants of Colorado Springs have sold a lot of very stylish winter parkas today. As for the search, the evidence is underground at this point. My theory is it will keep until the CBI is ready, and I'm sticking to it. OMI

Will they air this footage in a three part series?

 

[bonjoviblonde]

<modsnipped minor's name> As MassGuy reminded me, she was likely named that because of her mom being named Kelsey. KB likely chose the name. My friend just thought it was quite the coincidence.

I'm taking pause that both children have similar names to the father's "other" person. I went back and forth on the Watt's case but here it is again. That said I have heard of daughters having similar first names to the father or mother, but you post is really interesting. Another member posted here recently she puts PF in the "having an affair" catagory , there are similarities LNF.

What am I missing? I don’t get how the names K and Krystal are in any way alike. Nico Lee in the Watts was an odd coincidence but I’m not getting the oddness here. Is it just because they both start with a K?

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[WildWest]

What am I missing? I don’t get how the names Kand Krystal are in any way alike. Nico Lee in the Watts was an odd coincidence but I’m not getting the oddness here. Is it just because they both start with a K?

If you say KK's first name and married last name all together quickly it might sound similar to K

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[GordianKnot]

What am I missing? I don’t get how the names K <mod changed minor's name to initial> and Krystal are in any way alike. Nico Lee in the Watts was an odd coincidence but I’m not getting the oddness here. Is it just because they both start with a K?

bjblonde, not to worry, you're not missing anything.

IMO, someone suggested for some reason that Baby K's name might be linked to KK, who also goes by KL.

There is absolutely no connection whatsoever to be made b/t the names, IMO, so again, no, nothing missed on your end.

Case of "nothing to see here," IMO.

 

[haven71]

What am I missing? I don’t get how the names K<mod changed to initial> and Krystal are in any way alike. Nico Lee in the Watts was an odd coincidence but I’m not getting the oddness here. Is it just because they both start with a K?

Isn’t KK also KL? Which I thought was K. Lee?

 

[srg]

what I do not understand about this case:

1. Assuming you are PF, how can you have intense hatred for KB but still have love and concern for little K? And since we have been talking about looks, little K, KB and CB all
look strikingly similar, so there is a great chance that as she grows older, little K would just look and maybe even sound and act more and more like KB and CB. I totally understand that there are people who hate their "baby's parent" and not the baby, but in this case I think the disconnect needed here is a big one.

2. Why does PF want little K? If he really wants to be "free," why does he want a baby? I think it is common that actual kidnappers abandon children because they require a lot of time and attention. Granted he apparently has help at home, but why does he want the baby?

3. Even though KB seemed to be self sufficient and independent, not so long ago she was 7,8,9, mos pregnant. Who drove her to drs' appts? Who drove her and the baby to follow up appts? Who helped her in the first few months after she gave birth? If it was PF, then he must have felt or acted as if he felt concerned for her and her welfare. Or was he never this solicitous? Did she go home to her parents during this time?

Do not understand the motives here really. Read posts on and on but I do not get it.

Been thinking exactly the same as you. As far as baby K, PF sees her as extension of himself, so she has to be with him. And when she gets older, he will see him in her. There is also a very fine line between love and hate, Appatently PF decided to hate KB but love Baby K. The mindf-ery Baby K would get exposed to in such an upbringing is substantial.

As far as who was there for KB when she was pregnant and right after giving birth? Was PF there to “support?” No info has been shared as far as I know. I’ve also wondered about PFs mother’s role during that time.

Hoping one day soon we will find out.

MOO

 

[NoeticSoul]

Peeked in from work to seek new news, and only see the topic of baby names again. YESUS. This is not what matters IMO. Happy Friday anyhow friends! May KB be found soon so her family gains some closure. Don't to forget to send love, prayers, and compassion to any of her family member who still may be reading here.

 

[WildWest]

This is a really creepy coincidence if nothing else!

Yes, absolutely likely a coincidence! Yet it gives me pause.

 

[jewelsmac]

I am honestly struggling with why people think there's still a chance that PF will be let off or have charges dropped. This guy is behind this. KK is involved as all heck, but PF is not innocent.

thank you