CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #32 *ARREST*

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  • #121
Probably could use a few commas in that sentence. Maybe two sentences instead of one. Or perhaps the writing left to someone else.

Possibly should have said:
Investigators apparently believe there is evidence in a landfill south of Colorado Springs or the body of a missing Woodland Park mother who authorities...
 
  • #122
I think Gardener and I are about the only ones going down this private plane theory road. In my case it's based upon the distance that KKL had to travel - if she she only had the holiday (long) weekend to travel to Colorado. Everything is a big IF. We don't know if she had vacation time that took her to Colorado earlier than Thanksgiving. The more time she had, the more possible it is that she drove. In something like a three day period it becomes less likely. That is a LONG drive.

I don't know if this true and someone else may, but I'm under the impression that there are a lot of private pilots out west. A friend who'd lived in Colorado told me that decades ago but who knows if she was right. If it is (more "ifs"), it increases the likelihood that PF and/or KKL have such an acquaintance. The thing is, if that's part of how things went down, then the private pilot would have to have been privy or a party to the murder. A pilot who wasn't and just flew KKL, would be a huge risk to the plan once they heard about this case because they would undoubtedly come forward. I would imagine that LE knows if, when and how KKL traveled to CO, by now. If I were an investigator and how she traveled was in question, I'd have checked all of the private flights between the Twin Falls area and as far as Colorado Springs. My fear in a scenario like this - a complicit, third party, private pilot - is that the body could be dumped over a remote area, from the plane. Sounds wild and more like something in a drug cartel type of case but it's a possibility in terms of theories.

The other thing I was thinking, regarding that landfill, was that maybe it's possible that a third party took the body to the Colorado Springs area, or wherever feeds into that landfill, in order to dump it. I'm certainly not going to implicate anyone as that possible third party but ya'll can use your imaginations.
 
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  • #123
Trudie,
All we have to go on right now are rumors. What if she had nothing to do with this? Do you really take anything the Rs said as fact? I say that because they are the only ones talking.

In my mind, I had KK hanging from a rope on a tree. Then I thought of how we could all be wrong. LE is not parting with information. We just know someone in Idaho had Kelsey’s phone. What if the R’s just jumped on that rumor and ran with it?

Any ideas of who else it could be? Earlier you mentioned an equine website I think but we cannot use anything that isn’t mainstream. We are all lost dangling in the dark.

We are dangling in the dark.

The one thing I will say re the R's is that their info is coming from KK's BFF, who would not be trying to hang her.

So it makes me believe that there are some major truths in the story. Maybe not all truth, maybe some exaggerations, but the basic story has truth in it.

KK was up to her ankles?, shins?, knees?, or neck?.

Not sure but she was up to something.
 
  • #124
In most circumstances in Colorado, in order to cut a deal with anyone; the prosecutor (only) must have a charge levied against the witness that is cutting the deal:
Colorado Statute 13-90-118 Witness Immunity
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3) A district attorney, attorney general, or special prosecutor of the state of Colorado may request an order as specified in subsection (2) of this section when in his or her judgment the testimony or other information from such individual may be necessary to the public interest and such individual has refused or is likely to refuse to testify or provide other information on the basis of the privilege against self-incrimination.
https://www.hmichaelsteinberg.com/t...hat-happens-when-the-police-make-promises.htm
maybe the witness who gets immunity does not need to be charged. section 2 of your link states,
"(2) In the case of any individual who has been or may be called to testify or provide other information at any proceeding before or ancillary to a court or grand jury of the state of Colorado, the district court for the judicial district in which the proceeding is or may be held, or the county court in which a misdemeanor proceeding is or may be held, may issue, upon request of any district attorney, attorney general, or special prosecutor of the state of Colorado,

….an order requiring such individual to give testimony or provide other information which he or she refuses to give or provide on the basis of the privilege against self-incrimination, such order to become effective as provided in subsection (1) of this section."

which would indicate to me that an uncharged witness who says if they answer questions they could possibly incriminate themselves could, while also remaining uncharged in the case, be offered immunity from prosecution is in fact their statements (answers) do incriminate themselves.
but i'm not a lawyer or DA or official of the court in CO so my comments are my opinion only.
 
  • #125
I think Gardener and I are about the only ones going down this private plane theory road. In my case it's based upon the distance that KKL had to travel - if she she only had the holiday (long) weekend to travel to Colorado. Everything is a big IF. We don't know if she had vacation time that took her to Colorado earlier than Thanksgiving. The more time she had, the more possible it is that she drove. In something like a three day period it becomes less likely. That is a LONG drive.

I don't know if this true and someone else may, but I'm under the impression that there are a lot of private pilots out west. A friend who'd lived in Colorado told me that decades ago but who knows if she was right. If it is (more "ifs"), it increases the likelihood that PF and/or KKL have such an acquaintance. The thing is, if that's part of how things went down, then the private pilot would have to have been privy or a party to the murder. A pilot who wasn't and just flew KKL, would be a huge risk to the plan once they heard about this case because they would undoubtedly come forward. I would imagine that LE knows if, when and how KKL traveled to CO, by now. If I were an investigator and how she traveled was in question, I'd have checked all of the private flights between the Twin Falls area and as far as Colorado Springs. My fear in a scenario like this - a complicit, third party, private pilot - is that the body could be dumped over a remote area, from the plane. Sounds wild and more like something in a drug cartel type of case but it's a possibility in terms of theories.

The other thing I was thinking, regarding that landfill, was that maybe it's possible that a third party took the body to the Colorado Springs area, or wherever feeds into that landfill, in order to dump it. I'm certainly going to implicate anyone as that possible third party but ya'll can use your imaginations.
I haven’t bought into the plane theory yet, as I was able to drive 12 to 15 hours straight in my forties. KK is only in her early thirties. Also it was a holiday and wouldn’t pilots for hire want that time with their families? And then as you said, that is involving more people in the plot. I do believe there is a third person. I don’t know who. At least you give us more to think about.
 
  • #126
We are dangling in the dark.

The one thing I will say re the R's is that their info is coming from KK's BFF, who would not be trying to hang her.

So it makes me believe that there are some major truths in the story. Maybe not all truth, maybe some exaggerations, but the basic story has truth in it.

KK was up to her ankles?, shins?, knees?, or neck?.

Not sure but she was up to something.


If KKL is involved in this and it sure sounds like she is, then write her off because she's some kind of psycho. The person I would hold responsible for knowing and not going to the police would be M. She's far more culpable in the pre-knowledge department than the Rs. It's f-ing despicable to have discussed this with her bestie and failed to do the right thing to protect an innocent person. I'd be suing her, too.
 
  • #127
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We are dangling in the dark.

The one thing I will say re the R's is that their info is coming from KK's BFF, who would not be trying to hang her.

So it makes me believe that there are some major truths in the story. Maybe not all truth, maybe some exaggerations, but the basic story has truth in it.

KK was up to her ankles?, shins?, knees?, or neck?.

Not sure but she was up to something.

I am still aggravated the R’s came forward at all. What did we hear...three minutes of a 45minute interview? I think LE told the station not to air anymore of the interview. And what happened with the tv stations new witness? This is Thursday and not a sound from anyone. Very curious.
 
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I haven’t bought into the plane theory yet, as I was able to drive 12 to 15 hours straight in my forties. KK is only in her early thirties. Also it was a holiday and wouldn’t pilots for hire want that time with their families? And then as you said, that is involving more people in the plot. I do believe there is a third person. I don’t know who. At least you give us more to think about.

I've done such drives, too, but with someone else. Not that I couldn't drive hours, alone, but it would be exhausting. To turn around and do it again in a day or two would be tough. That's just me, though. Truck drivers drive insane hours all of the time (scary).

Most people don't work on Thanksgiving, if they don't have to, but the weekend after, lots of people do.
 
  • #130
maybe the witness who gets immunity does not need to be charged. section 2 of your link states,
"(2) In the case of any individual who has been or may be called to testify or provide other information at any proceeding before or ancillary to a court or grand jury of the state of Colorado, the district court for the judicial district in which the proceeding is or may be held, or the county court in which a misdemeanor proceeding is or may be held, may issue, upon request of any district attorney, attorney general, or special prosecutor of the state of Colorado,

….an order requiring such individual to give testimony or provide other information which he or she refuses to give or provide on the basis of the privilege against self-incrimination, such order to become effective as provided in subsection (1) of this section."

which would indicate to me that an uncharged witness who says if they answer questions they could possibly incriminate themselves could, while also remaining uncharged in the case, be offered immunity from prosecution is in fact their statements (answers) do incriminate themselves.
but i'm not a lawyer or DA or official of the court in CO so my comments are my opinion only.
 
  • #131
There are people in his hometown defending him and saying he is innocent.
And, there are those defending KK as well and some that would say KK "got in over her head", "was afraid" because of threats and took the phone and placed those texts out of fear and really wasn't a main player in KB's murder. Personally, because of what we know, which is precious little admittedly, I think they were both main players.

My question to anyone who thinks KK is the "driving force" is this: Why then did PF tell KB's mom that they broke up on TG and she was travelling to visit her sick grandmother when he KNEW that was an outright lie? If he wasn't involved, why did he need to lie? Once he knew she was dead, why didn't he go directly to LE and tell them he suspected KK of killing KB? Just doesn't make any sense, to me at least :)
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Who do they think Killed her?!?
I cannot quote them on this website. They just said PF is innocent. I blew it off. I don’t believe for a minute he is innocent. I think he just trashed KB to all his friends, telling them she ran off all the time and left him with baby K.

For me, if there was any truth to it, he had the courts to go to. He could have filed for custody. NO REASON FOR MURDER. HE HAS A BLACK HEART.
 
  • #134
I haven’t bought into the plane theory yet, as I was able to drive 12 to 15 hours straight in my forties. KK is only in her early thirties. Also it was a holiday and wouldn’t pilots for hire want that time with their families? And then as you said, that is involving more people in the plot. I do believe there is a third person. I don’t know who. At least you give us more to think about.
I will never buy into this theory, ever, even if it is proven true.:D

It would be highly unusual, and unnecessary.

Plus, it would be incredibly easy to verify, commercial or otherwise (commercial would be faster to pin down).
 
  • #135
And, there are those defending KK as well and some that would say KK "got in over her head", "was afraid" because of threats and took the phone and placed those texts out of fear and really wasn't a main player in KB's murder. Personally, because of what we know, which is precious little admittedly, I think they were both main players.

My question to anyone who thinks KK is the "driving force" is this: Why then did PF tell KB's mom that they broke up on TG and she was travelling to visit her sick grandmother when he KNEW that was an outright lie? If he wasn't involved, why did he need to lie? Once he knew she was dead, why didn't he go directly to LE and tell them he suspected KK of killing his KB? Just doesn't make any sense, to me at least :)
Amen.
 
  • #136
I don't know why this linked all the way back to my original post, but in answer to the question of whether I read part three........YES, I did very carefully. It says the officer of the court "may issue, upon request of any district attorney, attorney general, or special prosecutor of the state of Colorado", meaning that the judge is the only one that can grant immunity in the trial phase. We are no where near a trial, so this part of the law will have no meaning for this case until that time.
 
  • #137
Can you imagine being a reporter and being assigned the duty of hanging out at a landfill? The stench is unbelievable.
 
  • #138
I will never buy into this theory, ever, even if it is proven true.:D

It would be highly unusual, and unnecessary.

Plus, it would be incredibly easy to verify, commercial or otherwise (commercial would be faster to pin down).
MassGuy, I just bet everything PF and KK did is easily verifiable. Not the smartest tools in the shed.
 
  • #139
There are people in his hometown defending him and saying he is innocent.

That's natural, imo. People know someone and can't fathom them doing something so horrible. I'd want people to stick up for me, too. Heck we don't even know what they have on Frazee and we would all find enough to convict him. Presumption of innocence and all that.
 
  • #140
We are dangling in the dark.

The one thing I will say re the R's is that their info is coming from KK's BFF, who would not be trying to hang her.

So it makes me believe that there are some major truths in the story. Maybe not all truth, maybe some exaggerations, but the basic story has truth in it.

KK was up to her ankles?, shins?, knees?, or neck?.

Not sure but she was up to something.
I dislike that fact that the R's gave the interview, but my feeling is that they accurately expressed what they heard from their employee, KK's BFF. What is suspect, is what KK told her BFF. We really have no way of knowing if what KK said was truth or spin AND if BFF did a little spinning herself when relaying KK's story.
 
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