CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #32 *ARREST*

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  • #461
I DO sit closer to the jury haha. You're correct about that.

I have zero intent of intimidating ANYONE. Just expressing my opinion about why people are speculating about his complete innocence.

However, we are also NOT on the jury and do NOT have to give him the benefit of the doubt. The presumption of innocence only exists in the courtroom. And in there, the jury will have all the evidence that we don't.
Before I ask this, I want to say I think PF is exactly where he belongs. IMO. I wish he had company :)

Now, if you were the DA on this case, and KK told you that PF solicited her to commit murder once or even three times, would you believe her without corroborating that evidence? Just take her at her word that PF ask her?
 
  • #462
Before I ask this, I want to say I think PF is exactly where he belongs. IMO. I wish he had company :)

Now, if you were the DA on this case, and KK told you that PF solicited her to commit murder once or even three times, would you believe her without corroborating that evidence? Just take her at her word that PF ask her?
Right now we don't have any indication what information led to the charge of solicitation. It may have been KK , or it may have been received from some other person(s) that we are unaware of at this point.
 
  • #463
Okay, so I am new here and have been lurking for a bit. I have to say that the way people talk about KK is frustrating, imo. From what I can gather she is a garbage person, who at the very least helped hide evidence, but who cares if she is fat, ugly, etc? I feel like this always gets piled on women... She was jealous of her lover's wife. Okay, I get you... but why bring her appearance into it? She was jealous because her lover was with someone else... I bet she would be just as jealous if she weighed 110.

Sorry, my first post was a tangent. It just feels sexist and gross.

All MOO

BBM: Welcome to WS, Printcess! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings! Glad you have joined us here on KB's thread. I do want to take some time to respond to your post, so apologies in advance for the length of mine here:

IMO, you're correct when you point out that it doesn't matter one iota whether KK weighs 100 lbs or 500 lbs., what matters is her level of involvement in KBs's murder.

The only height-weight info that matters to me is the weight/height disparity that exist(ed) b/t KB and PF. When I think of that, it makes my blood boil. She never stood a chance against him.

I do not at all think that comments made about KK's appearance that have been made on the thread are "sexist." What I think posters are (indirectly) responding to when they make comments about her weight and appearance is the mischaracterization of KK by the media.

If any entity is guilty of sexism in this case, it's MSM. Their insistence upon putting out a photo of KK that appears to be not terribly recent because it is more physically flattering was a deliberate choice, IMO. Electronic media is always in search of the best clickbait, so, "Hey, let's get a pretty pic of a blonde, smiling KK from _ years ago and put it out there!"
The media focus on KK being a "Rodeo Queen" a decade ago is ludicrous.
I plead guilty to having frequently noted her esteemed title with derision in my posts, because it angers me that this is even something MSM thought the public wanted or needed to know about her.

IMO, the posters here who have made comments re: KK's appearance, weight, etc., may be doing so because they've noted the discrepancy b/t the media portrayal of KK vs. KK's actual present-day appearance and are bothered by this false presentation.

WS'ers as a whole like the facts, and unvarnished truths. Not pretty pictures.

IMO, what you're reading is in large part due to frustration on the part of many of us here that KK is being characterized as a gullible nurse/rodeo queen who was taken advantage of by PF. I for one call bs on that characterization. KK is not a hapless "victim" of PF's charms. KB is the victim.

It bears repeating: KB is the victim here. IMO, What you're seeing on this thread is posters, both male and female, who want justice for KB and are feeling consternation that to date, KK continues to walk free.

The other reason that as a woman I'm comfortable reassuring you that comments you've read here about KK aren't rooted in sexism is that I've spent a considerable amount of time on this thread, and the others here participating are not sexist individuals. This is a respectful, bright, insightful, knowledgeable group of individuals who want to see justice for KB. Sometimes, emotions get the better of us, and we vent. We're human. Having said that, I can assure you that I'm an equal opportunity snarkist (not a word). For example, the term "lard-butt" is gender neutral to me.

I do appreciate your willingness to share your feelings and impressions, and I do think that they serve as a reminder to all of us here to focus on what matters with regard to KK; namely, the level of her involvement in KB's death and concealment.

All of the above is JMO.
 
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  • #464
Before I ask this, I want to say I think PF is exactly where he belongs. IMO. I wish he had company :)

Now, if you were the DA on this case, and KK told you that PF solicited her to commit murder once or even three times, would you believe her without corroborating that evidence? Just take her at her word that PF ask her?
Ha! Absolutely not.

They would need corroboration. Her word alone, would definitely not be good enough.
 
  • #465
Ha! Absolutely not.

They would need corroboration. Her word alone, would definitely not be good enough.
OK, I'm feeling that was a stupid question, but I had to ask :) I just have this gut feeling she's desperately trying to save herself while throwing him under the bus, not that he doesn't belong there.
 
  • #466
There are quite a few large, construction dumpsters at work sites for new houses, the new natural grocers, etc. but I feel like if he used any dumpster, he would have to know WHEN that specific garbage was being collected.
 
  • #467
OK, I'm feeling that was a stupid question, but I had to ask :) I just have this gut feeling she's desperately trying to save herself while throwing him under the bus, not that he doesn't belong there.
It would be completely normal for KK to attempt to minimize her involvement here, most people in her situation do.

Law enforcement is acutely aware of this, and will take nothing at face value.
 
  • #468
There are quite a few large, construction dumpsters at work sites for new houses, the new natural grocers, etc. but I feel like if he used any dumpster, he would have to know WHEN that specific garbage was being collected.

Not to be crude but a decomposing body has a very distinct smell. He had to have planned on where to dispose of her body based upon garbage pick up....being a rancher he likely knew the smell of decomp would be noticeable, so I agree. IMO
 
  • #469
Before I ask this, I want to say I think PF is exactly where he belongs. IMO. I wish he had company :)

Now, if you were the DA on this case, and KK told you that PF solicited her to commit murder once or even three times, would you believe her without corroborating that evidence? Just take her at her word that PF ask her?

BBM: "That's a negative, Ghost Rider."
 
  • #470
Not to be crude but a decomposing body has a very distinct smell. He had to have planned on where to dispose of her body based upon garbage pick up....being a rancher he likely knew the smell of decomp would be noticeable, so I agree. IMO
True, the odor of a dead body is unmistakable.

It’s cold in Colorado during late November, and decomposition would have been slowed by this process.

It would have taken longer than normal.

ETA: It was actually pretty mild during the days after her death.
 
  • #471
It would be completely normal for KK to attempt to minimize her involvement here, most people in her situation do.

Law enforcement is acutely aware of this, and will take nothing at face value.

I'm sure she did her best Colonel Klink impression.
 
  • #472
True, the odor of a dead body is unmistakable.

It’s cold in Colorado during late November, and decomposition would have been slowed by this process.

It would have taken longer than normal.

ETA: It was actually pretty mild during the days after her death.

I agree, I think the temps were well above freezing. I have no idea how long decomp would take in those conditions but it would’ve bought him a couple extra days I would guess.
 
  • #473
IMO what a pathetic relationship. To be running 12+ hours to see PF, leaving her kids at home or with whoever. IMO she was quite obsessed with PF. Probably made that loser PF feel like a god, so manly, having women pining after him, going far lengths to be with him. What a winner. And he is a classic narcissist manipulator, probably elevating her and making her feel amazing too. KB probably realized the craziness she got herself into. Was probably done with his BS. She was mature. He was not. Perhaps he used KK to make KB feel jealous. all imo jmo moo
 
  • #474
OK, I'm feeling that was a stupid question, but I had to ask :) I just have this gut feeling she's desperately trying to save herself while throwing him under the bus, not that he doesn't belong there.
I'm not overly convinced the information of solicitation came from her. I think, like PF, she's not talking at all.
 
  • #475
IMO what a pathetic relationship. To be running 12+ hours to see PF, leaving her kids at home or with whoever. IMO she was quite obsessed with PF. Probably made that loser PF feel like a god, so manly, having women pining after him, going far lengths to be with him. What a winner. And he is a classic narcissist manipulator, probably elevating her and making her feel amazing too. KB probably realized the craziness she got herself into. Was probably done with his BS. She was mature. He was not. Perhaps he used KK to make KB feel jealous. all imo jmo moo
Golden! And never has there been a narcissist without his/her token, flying money to use against his primary supply. Just like CW, PF never deserved a family. MOO
 
  • #476
I meant people on these boards, not people who know him.

As far as the DA goes, they aren't going to tell us anything. He already said the case wouldn't be tried in the media. I respect that. We don't share things!!!!

No one is taking up a torch and pitchfork; but what people are doing is saying "Well I haven't seen any evidence, so...." But that doesn't mean there isn't any.

PF wasn't arrested on anyone's word alone. The three charges of solicitation were not based on hearsay. The two charges of murder one are not based on hearsay. There is obviously a plethora of evidence we are not privy to.

There is obviously some level of involvement from at least KK, if not another or others. But that doesn't mean KK is solely responsible and PF is being railroaded. I just don't get the insistence.

Maybe it's just me though. Obviously I'm biased from a legal standpoint.
No it's not just you.....ITA 110%. Hah! "We don't share things", that's great. :D

LE said in the PC after the arrest that it was a complicated case and they were still conducting joint investigations. LE had enough evidence to convince a DA to charge PF with 2 murder charges and 3 conspiracy charges back at that time and I'm sure they've developed and cemented more evidence since.

KK is involved, to what extent I'm not sure. I just personally find it appalling that she would participate in either the initial solicitation or disposing of Kelsey's phone/purse. I also agree with you that there might even be another person(s) involved somehow. JMO
 
  • #477
I agree, I think the temps were well above freezing. I have no idea how long decomp would take in those conditions but it would’ve bought him a couple extra days I would guess.
Yes, it was quite warm on Thanksgiving, during the day. And drops pretty chilly at night, like classic Colorado weather. It was a warm weekend.
 
  • #478
Golden! And never has there been a narcissist without his/her token, flying money to use against his primary supply. Just like CW, PF never deserved a family. MOO
Something enticing for PF about long distance love.
 
  • #479
Golden! And never has there been a narcissist without his/her token, flying money to use against his primary supply. Just like CW, PF never deserved a family. MOO
Couldn't agree more with that last sentence. Didn't deserve the family nor did he earn it.
 
  • #480
Something enticing for PF about long distance love.
It was a perfect setup for him. A “fiancé” who didn’t live with him, and a girlfriend who lived hundreds of miles away.

Distance is a friend of secrecy.
 
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