CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #34 *ARREST*

[NoeticSoul]

Just caught the end of a 9news colorado piece announcing a presser at 12:45 in "arapahoe" county; this is the incorrect county, anyone out there have any better info?

Not yet.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Pretty much.

I think the focus of LE/DA is really on the principal here. PF. I think they know for the most part what happened and how and are solidifying their evidence.

I agree with @riolove77 that it's unlikely the woman actually participated in the murder but wasn't arrested. Unless they just didn't have evidence to show that. But she told someone about the solicitations, before the murder, so it seems she was probably freaked out to some degree.

I'm not giving her a pass though. I think she's a sleazy, opportunistic criminal with extremely low moral character, willing to participate in a terrible crime against another woman and mom. And not because she was afraid. I think she wanted the "man".

But IMO justice is being served here. He's the prime goal. And she will face more justice than the legal system will mete out.

So it's not perfect but I'm very satisfied. And excited about this development.

She better tell the truth,the whole truth,and nothing but the truth. Not just throw PF under the bus, to get a sweetheart deal for herself.
I don't trust her, I don't believe her ( she's an innocent victimim, afraid of PF story).
I think she was jealous of KB,and was more than happy to get rid of Beautiful,Sweet Kelsey, so she could be with PF. It's just so easy for her to play victim, and blame it all on PF
MOO.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I think the Sonic Drive In video is the tip of the iceberg placing KL in WP.

 

[GordianKnot]

What's odd to me is after watching LE/DA work this case why anyone would be that skeptical and cynical.

What on earth has LE/DA done to show they're not working this case in an impeccable fashion, such that they merit the public needing to wait and see whether they've blown this insanely high profile case to smithereens with a crummy plea deal?

DA is an elected position in the county. They're prosecuting one of their own, a good ol' boy, for the murder of a victim who hails from out of state and who no one in CO really knew. We've already seen on these threads how defensive some can be about one of their own. Yet the DA is going full bore. Knowing it's an elected position.

I'm confused by the attitude.

It would make sense if this was a DA that had a long history of blowing it in cases or if they'd already tragically blown a super high profile case in the recent past. Then I would get the, "Hey I am not in law enforcement and have no idea about the process but I'm going to have to go ahead and wait for them to prove to me they didn't blow this and haven't created a serious miscarriage of justice here."

I'm really not understanding the logic here. Does this DA have a terrible history? Help me out.

BBMFF:

Well, I'll try. It may be hard for me to articulate clearly, so bear with me, gitana. IANAL!

I think the attitude you're sensing probably reflexively springs from your bolded words above.

The DA is an elected position, which is simply another way of saying, "It is a political position." Anytime the specter of a political process rears its ugly head, I immediately view it through a jaundiced eye (which I fully admit clouds my vision).

I know I'm in the solid minority here on this subject, but I do have concerns that as a whole, the American justice system has become entirely too comfortable with taking short-cuts, i.e., playing "Let's Make A Deal" with the bad guys (and gals).

I do realize that from both a practical and political standpoint, latching onto the quickest, most expedient, cheapest way to reach a conviction makes perfect sense.
Enter Monty Hall.

I'm a purist. I'd make a terrible lawyer! I'd rather see our legal systems invest the time, manpower, resources and yes, even taxpayer expense, to try to see if they can get past the threshold of reasonable doubt before cutting any deals with (lesser) devils.
That should be the grudging step of last resort, not the first reach.

I don't have any specific criticism of this DA whatsoever.
Everything we've seen and heard so far seems to signal that they're doing a competent job. They may very well be Rock Star Hall Of Fame material! If so, I'm sure I'll be pleased at the end of the day with the bargain basement deal they struck with KK.

Again, the fact that you've voiced full-throated confidence in this particular DA does help to provide a feeling of reassurance!

All of the Above: ENTIRELY JMO.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Agreed. It's an imperfect and unpredictable system. Sometimes they have to dance with the devil to get to the end goal, which is convicting PF. In my experience and opinion ONLY DA's don't always like the pleas they give either. I've known many who go home sick at night. They are doing the best they can with what they have to hold PF accountable. He's the big fish to fry. We don't have to like her plea, just have to remember it's for the greater good.

All MOO

Sad this what we have to settle for.

 

[SandyQLS]

Twin Falls finally posts an article:

Idaho nurse linked to Berreth fiance due in court Friday in Colorado

"(KMVT/KSVT) — A Twin Falls nurse connected to a Colorado man charged with murder, will be in court this week.

A spokesperson for the 4th Judicial District Court confirms Krystal Lee will be in court Friday, in Teller County, Colorado. Lee is scheduled to appear in court at 8:30 a.m.

However, officials would not give any more information, saying the case is sealed.

KMVT was the first to reveal Krystal Lee to the nation, when a local attorney and his wife came forward with information and called the FBI.
Joe and Patty Rockstahl talked with KMVT, and later CBS News, and since that interview, KMVT has learned others have come forward with information for the FBI.

However, one of those contacts won't talk with KMVT, as they have been silenced by the FBI. An Idaho connection to the case first began when Kelsey Berreth's cell phone pinged in Idaho.

Berreth's fiancé, Patrick Frazee, is accused of killing her. According to KMVT’s interview with the Rockstahls, Lee is a friend to Frazee and traveled to his house sometime in November."

BBM Who would that be?

oooooo! Since the article mentions the R's and then a silenced witness, I am betting on the employee BFF/M. JMO

 

[Sabrina1011]

I'm not sure if she would lose her license.

She would absolutely lose her nursing license.

 

[Gardener1850]

Just caught the end of a 9news colorado piece announcing a presser at 12:45 in "arapahoe" county; this is the incorrect county, anyone out there have any better info?

I'm guessing that is probably about this story: Investigators: Disabled Father Of 6 Was Ambushed And Murdered

 

[GordianKnot]

Twin Falls finally posts an article:

Idaho nurse linked to Berreth fiance due in court Friday in Colorado

"(KMVT/KSVT) — A Twin Falls nurse connected to a Colorado man charged with murder, will be in court this week.

A spokesperson for the 4th Judicial District Court confirms Krystal Lee will be in court Friday, in Teller County, Colorado. Lee is scheduled to appear in court at 8:30 a.m.

However, officials would not give any more information, saying the case is sealed.

KMVT was the first to reveal Krystal Lee to the nation, when a local attorney and his wife came forward with information and called the FBI.
Joe and Patty Rockstahl talked with KMVT, and later CBS News, and since that interview, KMVT has learned others have come forward with information for the FBI.

However, one of those contacts won't talk with KMVT, as they have been silenced by the FBI. An Idaho connection to the case first began when Kelsey Berreth's cell phone pinged in Idaho.

Berreth's fiancé, Patrick Frazee, is accused of killing her. According to KMVT’s interview with the Rockstahls, Lee is a friend to Frazee and traveled to his house sometime in November."

BBM Who would that be?

I dunno....maybe KK's BFF?

 

[Sabrina1011]

A question for the attorneys here: Would Krystal have a different case number or would it be part of Patrick's case number?

 

[Kapua]

Bout time they (the two of them) were silenced IMO! Geez

The Rs had absolutely no business speaking about this to the media in the midst of an active multi-agency homicide investigation. MOO

 

[Yellow Rose]

She would absolutely lose her nursing license.

Can you even IMAGINE the trust issues one might have if she was able to retain her license? OMG

 

[GordianKnot]

*DBM.

 

[jaspermac]

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here for a moment because I don't think we have anything saying this didn't happen this way.
Most people her are implying KKL drove 800 miles to get a phone, and drove 800 miles back home. Making it hard to buy that she was afraid of PF. We don't know when KKL got to Colorado. Maybe she showed up, on invitation by PF, while KB was still alive. He invites KKL to visit, and tells her to hang out at his house, or a hotel, or wherever, because he needs to go get his daughter from KB (who he's seemed to tell several people he broke up with, so KKL probably thinks this too). He leaves, and when he returns, with child, he tells KKL he killed KB, and she needs to dispose of this phone (or some evidence). Well now she realizes he really was serious about killing her, and she's in the room with him...and really is afraid. So she agrees to do what he asked.
This seems a lot more plausible, to me, than driving 800 miles to pick up a dead person's phone, or to assist in a murder. If this story holds weight, she should have left with the phone - directly to the police. But, we also don't know she drove to Colorado with the intention of KB dying, and her hiding evidence. She may have gotten caught up in it, after she was already in Colorado.

It is possible.

The thing that has been bugging me all along and is the reason why I don't think she was naive as to what was happening is for PF to be charged with solicitation it has to be more then just a conversation like ugh, i can't stand her, she is making my life hell, she is standing in the way of us, why don't you help me get rid of her..

It has to be more than that. So knowing it went further you know he is serious, it came up in a serious way 3x. She went to Colorado knowing that he was planning a murder.

She didn't cut ties with him and ghost him. She knew what he was capable of. Even the R's said she thought he had murdered someone in the past.

 

[Lady Justice21]

Sad this what we have to settle for.

Entirely possible. I'm giving the DA the benefit of the doubt that KK is the small fry, and that her actions truly "just" involved the phone after the fact. I'm also operating under my own assumption only that her testimony is vital.

I may end up very wrong, and frustrated, but that's where I'm at for now with giving the benefit of my doubts.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Idaho nurse questioned in Kelsey Berreth murder plot set to plead guilty

Lee has not spoken to the media about her apparent role in the investigation, but friends, acquaintances and relatives have indicated in multiple media interviews that Lee and Frazee had once been romantically linked and that he had pressured her to aid in Berreth’s presumed murder.

 

[lindaromas]

A question for the attorneys here: Would Krystal have a different case number or would it be part of Patrick's case number?

I'm thinking so, she is a totally different case.

 

[Love Never Fails]

No, it's more like her testimony would be the final nail in the coffin which could prevent a rogue juror from deciding, "I like him. He's a good ol' boy. I identify with him. Or wish that I did. Or I want to date him. And I dislike the victim. Because she's female. And she rubs me the wrong way. Therefore he can't have committed a crime."

We saw a lot of that in the Watts family case. Many people required a full confession AND plea before they would agree that CW killed his family. Despite the absolute avalanche of evidence against the guy.

So it's crucial to have as much evidence as possible. Make it iron clad.

I believe there is no way that the state of CO would've arrested and charged PF with murder, without a body, unless there was a ton of evidence.

But there are some kooks out there who let their feelings override logic and they may be jurors.

I don't have a problem with this apparent plea deal.

Thank you for explaining your point of view.
I have a huge problem with it, if it is even true.

 

[Madison418]

Then why the heck didn't she stay in Idaho and report the *******? Instead she drove right to him, makes no sense!

Exactly. What is he going to do to her that freaking far away?? This is ludicrous IMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

LNF, me, neither!

Our "justice" system is a misnomer sometimes.
Plea deals often work to the benefit of the perp more than the justice system.

I feel nauseated at the prospect of KK skating.

JMO.

I am not okay with it. Not at all.