CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #34 *ARREST*

[MassGuy]

She better tell the truth,the whole truth,and nothing but the truth. Not just throw PF under the bus, to get a sweetheart deal for herself.
I don't trust her, I don't believe her ( she's an innocent victimim, afraid of PF story).
I think she was jealous of KB,and was more than happy to get rid of Beautiful,Sweet Kelsey, so she could be with PF. It's just so easy for her to play victim, and blame it all on PF
MOO.

The prosecution isn’t cutting a deal with her, unless they believe she is telling the truth.

They aren’t stupid, and they know that KK has every reason to lie and minimize her involvement.

There will be evidence that both supports her story, and obviously, implicates her in some way.

She’s pleading guilty to a crime after all, so she’s admitting that she’s not an innocent victim in all of this.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Because people often won't talk without a plea deal. They can be charged with something but if their testimony will make a case against a more serious perp even stronger, they may want that testimony more than they want a higher charge for that witness/perp.

I get that and you know I love your posts. But something seems hinky here. We hear all the time how two guys are guilty but one talks and gets a lighter sentence and the other gets death row, etc. I don’t like plea deals. And I believe without doubt that KKL is very guilty of more than disposing of a phone. JMO.
I don’t question the DA’s record. I question his evidence if he has to rely on the word of KKL because the defense will destroy her. Her character and her mouth are already in question. Surely you get where I am coming from.

 

[MassGuy]

I am not okay with it. Not at all.

They fact is, we’re still blind in regards to the nature of KK’s involvement.

PF drove this, I firmly believe that.

If her testimony helps put him away for life, and she pays a price for what she did, then I can live with her not receiving a sentence that fully corresponds to her level of involvement.

This type of thing happens in countless cases, and is necessary in achieving the ultimate goal:

Making a murderer pay.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Armchair quarterbacking is talking about how a pro isn't doing their job well and how we, as amateurs, need to instruct them on how to do their job or criticize them for not doing it the way we think we could, despite not being pros.

I don't think that's what the aim of this site is. Instead, its brainstorming and discussing cases and trying to solve mysteries, or to understand why these horrors occur, and to watch justice (hopefully) unfold, or miracles happen.

IMO.

Hmmm okay. I am not aware of any cases solved by WS. I thought that was LE’s job. The brainstorming is fine. And I am all for the prosecution here. I still don’t like plea deals

 

[Love Never Fails]

How do you get a statement out of someone who won't talk? It's a lot easier to say "get the evidence" when you don't work in this area. These cases are a lot more complex than they sound.

I agree with you. I am on the side of the good guys. I just don’t like the thought of KKL being solicited and never telling the LE. And yes I am aware she was afraid and in love with PF or whatever and that she didn’t break the law by being solicited or not reporting it. She makes me sick to my stomach and all of this is my opinion. This is your field of work and Gitanas also. I respect you guys. Don’t be offended that a lay person doesn’t like a plea deal. It is what it is. PF isn’t talking either. And isn’t he doing just what a lawyer wants from the criminal, ie, keeping his mouth shut? I am all for water boarding right now.

 

[Love Never Fails]

They fact is, we’re still blind in regards to the nature of KK’s involvement.

PF drove this, I firmly believe that.

If her testimony helps put him away for life, and she pays a price for what she did, then I can live with her not receiving a sentence that fully corresponds to her level of involvement.

This type of thing happens in countless cases, and is necessary in achieving the ultimate goal:

Making a murderer pay.

I know MG, I know. Your first sentence says it all. We do not know the level of her involvement. But my opinion is that it was major. But I know how to eat crow when I need to. We will see.

 

[GordianKnot]

They fact is, we’re still blind in regards to the nature of KK’s involvement.

PF drove this, I firmly believe that.

If her testimony helps put him away for life, and she pays a price for what she did, then I can live with her not receiving a sentence that fully corresponds to her level of involvement.

This type of thing happens in countless cases, and is necessary in achieving the ultimate goal:

Making a murderer pay.

BBM:

Agree with bolded statements above. Keyword: bolded.

But,"necessary to achieving the ultimate goal?"

That's Highly Debatable.

As evidenced by the fact that's exactly what we're doing right now (very civilly!) on this thread.

 

[MassGuy]

I agree with you. I am on the side of the good guys. I just don’t like the thought of KKL being solicited and never telling the LE. And yes I am aware she was afraid and in love with PF or whatever and that she didn’t break the law by being solicited or not reporting it. She makes me sick to my stomach and all of this is my opinion. This is your field of work and Gitanas also. I respect you guys. Don’t be offended that a lay person doesn’t like a plea deal. It is what it is. PF isn’t talking either. And isn’t he doing just what a lawyer wants from the criminal, ie, keeping his mouth shut? I am all for water boarding right now.

I think it’s safe to say that we all feel the same way about KK:

We think she is a terrible person, and deserves everything that is coming to her.

None of us is going to be satisfied with what she is ultimately sentenced to.

But to be staunchly against any sort of deal, because we are so completely disgusted by what she did, is emotional.

It almost certainly isn’t in the interest of justice. But that’s simply the way these things go, and sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil.

We don’t have to like it, and I sure as hell don’t. But I support it.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

She would absolutely lose her nursing license.

She should lose her freedom too.

 

[riolove77]

We don’t know what the charge is going to be yet, right? It could be a tampering with evidence charge or something else.

Yeah. Everything I’m saying is hypothetically speaking

 

[GordianKnot]

Well, turns out we didn't need to wait until the 19th to see new developments, after all.

So, there's that, at least!

 

[riolove77]

Rio- In plea deals are the terms and sentences generally pre-arranged or are the terms that the prosecutor will suggest a lighter sentence to the judge and the judge ultimately decides? If it is an accessory after the fact with a 2-6 year sentence, I am just wondering if the judge can go against prosecutor's suggestion of a 2 year sentence for say 6 years. I hope that makes sense.

Yes, the judge can.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I'm not giving her a pass though. I think she's a sleazy, opportunistic criminal with extremely low moral character, willing to participate in a terrible crime against another woman and mom. And not because she was afraid. I think she wanted the "man".

BINGO! We agree on something.

 

[Noharg]

I know MG, I know. Your first sentence says it all. We do not know the level of her involvement. But my opinion is that it was major. But I know how to eat crow when I need to. We will see.

That crow may be dinner for two. MOO is she did more than carry a phone to ID. I just remember how surprised many of us were the day we heard “solicitation”. I think Friday (fingers crossed) will shed a bright light on KKL’s involvement. JMO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

The prosecution isn’t cutting a deal with her, unless they believe she is telling the truth.

They aren’t stupid, and they know that KK has every reason to lie and minimize her involvement.

There will be evidence that both supports her story, and obviously, implicates her in some way.

She’s pleading guilty to a crime after all, so she’s admitting that she’s not an innocent victim in all of this.

I hope so,but based off her saying PF threatened her,blah,blah, I have to wonder if she'll confess her full partipation,or just enough to weasal out of what she deserves.

 

[MassGuy]

That crow may be dinner for two. MOO is she did more than carry a phone to ID. I just remember how surprised many of us were the day we heard “solicitation”. I think Friday (fingers crossed) will shed a bright light on KKL’s involvement. JMO

I agree, there’s no way that her involvement was limited to transporting a phone.

She is up to her neck here.

I’m simply waiting to hear the evidence as to the nature of her involvement, before I express any outrage as to the deal she is making.

I also want to understand her contributions as far as building the case against PF goes.

If the latter is greater than the former, then I’ll be a lot happier.

 

[?mysterian?]

I hope so,but based off her saying PF threatened her,blah,blah, I have to wonder if she'll confess her full partipation,or just enough to weasal out of what she deserves.

I fully expect her to try to weasel out of anything and everything she can, IMO. Going back to the corner and sitting on my hands so I don't get in trouble.

 

[darring21]

If everyone agrees we don't know the extent of her involvement, why are people getting so worked up about it now. Just wait to find what her involvement was and then decide to get worked up or not.

 

[jaspermac]

We don’t know what the charge is going to be yet, right? It could be a tampering with evidence charge or something else.

Sure it could be, but that would be a plea, because she talked about everything she really did and what PF did. So instead of getting accessory to or whatever charge they give her tampering. It is pretty clear, she didn't just tamper with evidence.

 

[Aydrianna523]

Thank you for explaining your point of view.
I have a huge problem with it, if it is even true.

I'm all for a plea deal if it could prevent PF from getting an acquittal. We don't want a confused Casey Anthony-type verdict. Defense can really spin a pigs fly/ 'Zanny the Nanny did it' scenario. If they need her testimony, so be it. It's not a perfect world. Cons are all about trying to outsmart the police, and in this case it appears they need a witness to prevent that. Not to say that would happen but it depends on the jury.