CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #34 *ARREST*

[PommyMommy]

They fact is, we’re still blind in regards to the nature of KK’s involvement.

PF drove this, I firmly believe that.

If her testimony helps put him away for life, and she pays a price for what she did, then I can live with her not receiving a sentence that fully corresponds to her level of involvement.

This type of thing happens in countless cases, and is necessary in achieving the ultimate goal:

Making a murderer pay.

I agree. I thought we were all hoping the DA had KK dead to rights and that she was singing like a canary? Sounds like that is the case and she will pay for her participation in this, whatever that is. She's pleading guilty and cooperating in the case against PF - the bigger fish to fry.
MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

Hmmm okay. I am not aware of any cases solved by WS. I thought that was LE’s job. The brainstorming is fine. And I am all for the prosecution here. I still don’t like plea deals

I don't like them either, LNF, but I think this one is a good idea. Of course, I'm in the camp that KKL didn't participate in the actual murder. If that turns out to be the case, my opinion will change!
MOO

 

[GordianKnot]

I think it’s safe to say that we all feel the same way about KK:

We think she is a terrible person, and deserves everything that is coming to her.

None of us is going to be satisfied with what she is ultimately sentenced to.

But to be staunchly against any sort of deal, because we are so completely disgusted by what she did, is emotional.

It almost certainly isn’t in the interest of justice. But that’s simply the way these things go, and sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil.

We don’t have to like it, and I sure as hell don’t. But I support it.

BBM:

Stop this bus, I'm gettin' off.

MG, I think it's an error to conclude that those of us who are voicing concerns r/t a deal having been struck are doing so on the basis of emotions, i.e., disgust, anger, etc.

My concerns about this deal are NOT rooted in feelings.

Feelings aren't facts. I say this all the time.

I remind myself of this all. the. time.

My concerns r/t the deal are based on the exercise of sensible caution. I am not going to be voicing blind support for the DA cutting a deal with KK, without knowing the terms/conditions of the deal and/or what it cost them.

Blind trust in any political process never makes logical sense to me.

I have said I'm in "wait-and-see" mode, and that's where I am.
Show me the deal, and then I can make an informed decision re: whether I think it's a smart one or not.

 

[scmom]

I agree, there’s no way that her involvement was limited to transporting a phone.

She is up to her neck here.

I’m simply waiting to hear the evidence as to the nature of her involvement, before I express any outrage as to the deal she is making.

I also want to understand her contributions as far as building the case against PF goes.

If the latter is greater than the former, then I’ll be a lot happier.

BBM That's pretty much where I'm at.

 

[WildcatRunner]

Reading through all these posts since this morning, I have imagined a scenario where KKL would visit PF to try and win him back, she would borrow his phone send her phone texts about solicitation, knowing he was staying with Kelsey. Did KKL do it on her own in hopes of winning PF back? Did she set it all up? What proof is there other than phone soliciations that PF was involved? would make it really interesting if so. Did she take KB's phone to Idaho and text PF telling him KB was visiting family, wedding prep. If there's no voice you don't know who is sending the message. Just a weird direction my mind went in, because I believe she was behind most of this!

You don't get arrested and held on 1st degree murder charges if the only evidence they have is solicitation. LE/the DA has to have something more solid than that to hold him on that charge.

 

[WildcatRunner]

IMO KL will be charged and sentenced for a significant amount of time. I believe she provided enough information to prove she was there and involved in the planning, the murder, the cleaning, disposal, and coverup. I believe she told them where to look for evidence at PF and KB homes. I believe that the electronic evidence was far too incriminating to absolve her of a murder charge. IMO the plea deal is to get her the lesser murder charge and to try to “save” what in her mind is her small town reputation. It also avoids exposing her children to details and minimizes their exposure to her crimes.

IMO, if she were that involved, the news would be saying she's being "extradited" to Colorado, not "traveling."

 

[Love Never Fails]

I think it’s safe to say that we all feel the same way about KK:

We think she is a terrible person, and deserves everything that is coming to her.

None of us is going to be satisfied with what she is ultimately sentenced to.

But to be staunchly against any sort of deal, because we are so completely disgusted by what she did, is emotional.

It almost certainly isn’t in the interest of justice. But that’s simply the way these things go, and sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil.

We don’t have to like it, and I sure as hell don’t. But I support it.

Yes I am emotional. What If I was on the jury? I wouldn’t like it one bit that the DA used her as a witness and I would question their case. I would be a terrible juror. So if everyone wants to beat up on me for my opinion it is all good. I’m still smiling.

 

[PommyMommy]

I think it’s safe to say that we all feel the same way about KK:

We think she is a terrible person, and deserves everything that is coming to her.

None of us is going to be satisfied with what she is ultimately sentenced to.

But to be staunchly against any sort of deal, because we are so completely disgusted by what she did, is emotional.

It almost certainly isn’t in the interest of justice. But that’s simply the way these things go, and sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil.

We don’t have to like it, and I sure as hell don’t. But I support it.

Yep, yep. All the way.

If everyone agrees we don't know the extent of her involvement, why are people getting so worked up about it now. Just wait to find what her involvement was and then decide to get worked up or not.

Lol, yep, yep!!!

 

[Jessthinkin]

Not me. Not in this case. I think CO LE/DA are rock stars. I'm excited by this news. And pleased.

Agree!

 

[Love Never Fails]

BBM:

Stop this bus, I'm gettin' off.

MG, I think it's an error to conclude that those of us who are voicing concerns r/t a deal having been struck are doing so on the basis of emotions, i.e., disgust, anger, etc.

My concerns about this deal are NOT rooted in feelings.

Feelings aren't facts. I say this all the time.

I remind myself of this all. the. time.

My concerns r/t the deal are based on the exercise of sensible caution. I am not going to be voicing blind support for the DA cutting a deal with KK, without knowing the terms/conditions of the deal and/or what it cost them.

Blind trust in any political process never makes logical sense to me.

I have said I'm in "wait-and-see" mode, and that's where I am.
Show me the deal, and then I can make an informed decision re: whether I think it's a smart one or not.

Thank you for this!

 

[PommyMommy]

Clayton Sandell on Twitter
NEW: @StLukesHealth in Twin Falls, ID says nurse Krystal Lee "no longer works at the hospital", @gobeckygo reports. Lee, under investigation for helping #PatrickFrazee dispose of evidence in the #KelseyBerreth case, is expected to plead guilty Friday.

Nurse in missing-mom case to plead guilty
Lee had been employed as a nurse at St. Luke's Magic Valley Medical Center in Twin Falls, Idaho. But on Monday, hospital spokeswoman Michelle Bartlome told ABC News that "an individual by that name no longer works at the hospital."

In January, hospital officials said Lee was on a leave of absence.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes I am emotional. What If I was on the jury? I wouldn’t like it one bit that the DA used her as a witness and I would question their case. I would be a terrible juror. So if everyone wants to beat up on me for my opinion it is all good. I’m still smiling.

Ha! Strongly disagreeing is not synonymous with “beating up on anyone.”

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I’m just looking at this clinically, and I’ve followed enough cases that I understand that rarely is everyone happy with the outcome.

Not everyone pays the price they should. I don’t like it, but I can live with it.

 

[allboys]

I'm all for a plea deal if it could prevent PF from getting an acquittal. We don't want a confused Casey Anthony-type verdict. Defense can really spin a pigs fly/ 'Zanny the Nanny did it' scenario. If they need her testimony, so be it. It's not a perfect world. Cons are all about trying to outsmart the police, and in this case it appears they need a witness to prevent that. Not to say that would happen but it depends on the jury.

I guess it also helps to know that no matter what the plea deal, KK’s life will never be the same. Everyone will eventually know what her involvement entailed, and she will forever be known as someone who was a player in this horrific crime.

I too, want her punishment to fit the crime. But there is no doubt in my mind, that her life is forever changed. I take a bit of solace in that fact.

She better tell ALL and ENOUGH to ensure that PF is put away for good. I know they aren’t relying strictly on her testimony, but I still want her to make the difference in ensuring PF’s full conviction.

MOO

 

[Dave F.]

Just caught the end of a 9news colorado piece announcing a presser at 12:45 in "arapahoe" county; this is the incorrect county, anyone out there have any better info?

The Eighth District Court of Colorado has two locations in Arapahoe County:

Arapahoe County Justice Center
Administration Building II
7325 S. Potomac St.
Centennial, CO 80112

Arapahoe County Courthouse - Littleton
1790 West Littleton Blvd
Littleton, CO 80120

I wonder which one it could be? Oh, don't you wish they would be more specific?
Colorado Judicial Branch - Arapahoe County - Homepage

 

[Love Never Fails]

Clayton Sandell on Twitter
NEW: @StLukesHealth in Twin Falls, ID says nurse Krystal Lee "no longer works at the hospital", @gobeckygo reports. Lee, under investigation for helping #PatrickFrazee dispose of evidence in the #KelseyBerreth case, is expected to plead guilty Friday.

YAY! Somebody has some sense. Er, uh, I mean great news.

 

[InvSmith]

I actually hope that you are correct, that here is no plea deal of any sort.

Then I hope that she is actually charged with NO deal. Any date will work for me.

Interestingly enough, I noticed on KMVT that an article mentioned individual(s) that may have been scheduled to speak with the station but the FBI "stopped" them from speaking. The DA's office had mentioned at the beginning of this that witness contamination was a concern. This was on the initial PF charge news conference. Obviously, some of these witnesses and cases are being tightly controlled because of this witness contamination not witness protection. For example, in the Scott Peterson case, Amber Frey did not do one interview prior to trial, thus no statements could be contrary to her testimony. This may explain why cases are not listed on the docket and are being processed under seal???
Idaho nurse linked to Berreth fiance due in court Friday in Colorado

 

[riolove77]

I agree with you. I am on the side of the good guys. I just don’t like the thought of KKL being solicited and never telling the LE. And yes I am aware she was afraid and in love with PF or whatever and that she didn’t break the law by being solicited or not reporting it. She makes me sick to my stomach and all of this is my opinion. This is your field of work and Gitanas also. I respect you guys. Don’t be offended that a lay person doesn’t like a plea deal. It is what it is. PF isn’t talking either. And isn’t he doing just what a lawyer wants from the criminal, ie, keeping his mouth shut? I am all for water boarding right now.

You are absolutely free to have an opinion, I am most certainly not trying to change it. I am just trying to explain why we do it and why it works. Evidence cannot be fabricated if it isn't there to be found. It has been nearly 2.5 months now, I don't doubt that they have spent every day looking for her or what would lead to her. If he isn't waiving his right to a speedy trial, they have to try him within the parameters of that timeframe, and they only get one shot. So if giving her a deal helps them put him away forever, as he should be, then so be it. Having said that, I think she is a terrible person and deserves everything she gets and more for the rest of her life. I hope every day is hell for her.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I guess it also helps to know that no matter what the plea deal, KK’s life will never be the same. Everyone will eventually know what her involvement entailed, and she will forever be known as someone who was a player in this horrific crime.

I too, want her punishment to fit the crime. But there is no doubt in my mind, that her life is forever changed. I take a bit of solace in that fact.

She better tell ALL and ENOUGH to ensure that PF is put away for good. I know they aren’t relying strictly on her testimony, but I still want her to make the difference in ensuring PF’s full conviction.

MOO

Yeah, KBs life will never be the same either. She has none! Let’s see, how many people could have called about that solicitation? KKL? Bff? The R’s? I cannot cry for KKL.....unless I have been very wrong.

 

[GordianKnot]

Yes I am emotional. What If I was on the jury? I wouldn’t like it one bit that the DA used her as a witness and I would question their case. I would be a terrible juror. So if everyone wants to beat up on me for my opinion it is all good. I’m still smiling.

LNF, your point about being a juror and having emotional responses (which all jurors do, by the way, being human) speaks precisely to a point I made earlier.

The <modsnipped derogatory nickname> is going to be an extremely unattractive witness.
The jury is going to hate her.
Yes, they are going to be instructed by the judge to weigh the facts of the case, but they are going to despise this woman.
They are going to want to disbelieve her.
Her getting up on that stand may very well hurt the prosecution almost as much as it helps them.
Not in terms of her evidentiary testimony, but in terms of the jury's visceral reactions.
As we know, juries don't always reach the logical verdict.

All the defense needs is for one loony juror to convince themselves that "that horrible woman did this herself! He's innocent!" and PF will walk.

JMO.

 

[Jessthinkin]

I think it’s safe to say that we all feel the same way about KK:

We think she is a terrible person, and deserves everything that is coming to her.

None of us is going to be satisfied with what she is ultimately sentenced to.

But to be staunchly against any sort of deal, because we are so completely disgusted by what she did, is emotional.

It almost certainly isn’t in the interest of justice. But that’s simply the way these things go, and sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil.

We don’t have to like it, and I sure as hell don’t. But I support it.

Am I wrong in thinking this is what has been telegraphed to us for the past month or so? That KK was cooperating to some degree, at least, and to me, at least, that has meant a plea deal. (I mean, how else do you get scoundrels to talk? Get out the potato peeler? )