CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #35 *ARREST*

[heartgoesout]

Do you all feel that KK and PF had a plan that they are still following through on and strategized how they both get away with it or do you feel the plan unraveled?

 

[Snow Flower]

I think she took the phone from him and tossed it. JMO

 

[InvSmith]

Oh!!!!! Is that what was meant? In that case, no. Those are two different things. The charges is tampering with evidence. Not tampering with a product in order to kill someone.

Lol. I answered it the other way as well but the product tampering is cool head knowledge!

 

[thesaint]

If KK is talking and yet LE is still throwing out alternative theories then either (i) KK has limited useful info about the actual murder or robbery-murder; or (ii) LE doesn't necessarily trust what KK is telling them to be what actually happened. Again, that's if she's talking to LE at all.

 

[jewelsmac]

Broken record alert: LE and justice system have been amazing in this case so far. No complaints. We don’t even know what they’re going to say yet

 

[MassGuy]

BBM. I totally agree with you. It's going to be difficult, especially if they don't find KB's remains.

JMO

They did not charge PF with first degree murder based solely on the word of a woman who may have been involved.

That is not how it works.

This idea that their case will be difficult, based on the lack of credibility of a star witness, is contingent upon a complete lack of other evidence.

That is flawed logic.

They don’t say that a person is dead, and she was murdered in her home, based on the word of another person.

Especially without a body.

I think they have blood evidence, digital records, and surveillance footage that will bury him.

Just because we haven’t seen their hand, does not mean it is not strong. We’ll see it soon enough.

 

[jewelsmac]

They did not charge PF with first degree murder based solely on the word of a woman who may have been involved.

That is not how it works.

This idea that their case will be difficult, based on the lack of credibility of a star witness, is contingent upon a complete lack of other evidence.

That is flawed logic.

They don’t say that a person is dead, and she was murdered in her home, based on the word of another person.

Especially without a body.

I think they have blood evidence, digital records, and surveillance footage that will bury him.

Just because we haven’t seen their hand, does not mean it is not strong. We’ll see it soon enough.

Agreed

 

[MyBelle]

For all we know she might not have been in Colorado on Thanksgiving. She could have decided to go the next day (after she and PF had their own family's Thanksgivings). Not trying to help her out, but maybe that's why LE gave her such a low charge...
?

What proof is there that KB died on Thanksgiving?

 

[heartgoesout]

Broken record alert: LE and justice system have been amazing in this case so far. No complaints. We don’t even know what they’re going to say yet

They're playing PF's game well.

 

[InvSmith]

I don't think a civil lawsuit would do anything to risk her nursing license, but I;m not sure. The code states "crimes of moral turpitude". IIRC. But we have some very knowledgeable nurses on here, I think @Mom24 is one who can maybe answer that?

But one thing a civil lawsuit can accomplish is making her actions more well known and also, if there's a judgment and she actually retains or gets back her nursing license, the family can garnish her wages.

I work a lot in white collar crime for lack of a better term. This involves looking at medical professionals backgrounds often. It would be highly unusual for any that plead guilty to any felony to be licensed but to have one related to a homicide would be unheard of in my professional opinion.

 

[Aydrianna523]

That's what it sounded like to me - that PF had a plan to kill KB and stage the scene to make it look like a robbery.

Another long shot possibility: PF asked KK to help him kill KB. She was reluctant to particpate in the actual murder but was willing to help in the cover-up. Unbeknownst to her, he set her up - jealous lover killing the mother of his child.

He finds a reason for her to come to Colorado during Thanksgiving. That always bothered me - she's got two younger kids and she seems to be very much a family person - involved in her kids' school activities, for example. This doesn't sound to me like someone who would leave her kids and family for a solo road trip over Thanksgiving. He suggests she swing by Sonic and pick up some food for them - knowing she's likely to be captured on some camera. Makes up an excuse for her to get rid of the phone 30 minutes from her home in Idaho.

I'd really like to know what SF thought of KK and if PF took her out to the ranchette to see SF when she was in Colorado over Thanksgiving weekend.

Other possible witness/es (besides kk) could be the guys at the dump, or someone he spent Thanksgiving with. They might not want to implicate PF, yet not be willing to lie for him. I guess we'll stay tuned.

 

[nwmouse]

How many opportunities did she pass up before KB death that would have saved her life. How many opportunities to seek protection and justice did she pass up during her time in Colorado and her hundreds of miles trip back to Idaho; past local police departments, county police departments, state police departments?

In the end, she deserves the same consideration and compassion she gave to KB. I hope the prosecutors find a way to give that to her. There was/is no credible excuse.

I echo this x 100!

I think there is a lot of anger directed at KK because she is a woman and a mother herself, and one would hope that another female would have the empathy and courage to do what is right in order to protect another mom, or any human, knowing her life was in danger from a vicious murderer.

I don't know if she will receive a punishment worthy of her crime, however I think what she has done will follow her for the rest of her life and affect her career, social life, personal relationships - everything - detrimentally.

What she did is not a mistake that can be taken back and undone. Its not like shoplifting, stealing a car or eliciting a substance that's illegal. It's being involved in the murder of a human and that is most heinous. A family and a child are without their daughter, mother and friend.

I believe that if KK had gone to the authorities, KB would still be alive.

MOO.

 

[NoeticSoul]

I think she took the phone from him and tossed it. JMO

Curious who you think made those texts from KB's phone in that case?

 

[lindaromas]

What do you mean?

If things appear when she is questioned to turn it around in any sense, can the plea deal be nullified and turned to murder? Say for example, after PF testifies and it could be proven she was involved in KB's death can KKL then be tried on murder or this plea deal wipes that possibility out?

 

[nwmouse]

Do you all feel that KK and PF had a plan that they are still following through on and strategized how they both get away with it or do you feel the plan unraveled?

I believe their plan unraveled.

moo

 

[NoeticSoul]

Isn't the Advisement hearing just a hearing where KK learns what she is being investigated for and the amount of bond? She doesn't have to plead to anything at the 1st hearing. Then, there should be another hearing where she is advised of the exact charges, correct?

 

[lindaromas]

Will documents be unsealed on Friday?

I believe the judge will make that decision on 2-19

 

[MyBelle]

Do you all feel that KK and PF had a plan that they are still following through on and strategized how they both get away with it or do you feel the plan unraveled?

We still don't know what LE found to conclude KB was murdered in her home or why LE is now saying it may have been a robbery and others also involved.

JMO

 

[InvSmith]

What proof is there that KB died on Thanksgiving?

This is the date the Teller County police gave. No time of day was given.

 

[MassGuy]

This is the date the Teller County police gave. No time of day was given.

Yeah, the charging document says “on or about November 22.”

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/001/Redacted C&I 18CR330.pdf