CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #35 *ARREST*

[Dave F.]

I'm coming in late today and not sure if someone has already mentioned this, but I'm thinking LE is searching the septic system for clues. This just brought back memories of a fellow classmate years ago. He cut up his child and flushed the remains. Makes me sick.

In the mountains, septic tanks are useless due to the predominance of hard rock, and therefore not required. There are very strict codes for laying out a leech field, which is basically a horizontal "tree" of slotted plastic pipes that allow the raw sewage to leech outward into the thick, dry top layer of ground. On a sloping building site, it has to be located in the downhill direction with sufficient drop, usually indicated by the lowest surface area. Guess what? At Pf's house that's exactly what LE dug up, which can be readily seen in the drone video.
However, LE replaced all of the earth and drove over it with the backhoe tires to tamp it down. Since we didn't see anyone bring in new slotted pipe in, my guess would be that they put all of the pipe back in place, ,like they found it. My guess is they were looking for flushable solids, and didn't find anything. IMO

 

[jaspermac]

The word Mutilated. I doubt they would use that word for inanimate objects,such as phone,or purse. So I'm thinking she did something to, or helped do something to Kelsey's Body.
She expects everyone to believe she was afraid of PF.
I'm not buying her load of maneur.
MOO.

If you are charged with tampering of evidence it can't have anything to do with a body.

"
“Physical evidence,” is defined as any article, object, document, record, or thing of physical substance. However, physical evidence does not include parts of the human body or human remains.2

Physical evidence may include electronic records, videos, or audio recordings. This includes emails, text messages, social media messages, image files, video files, and computer files."

Tampering with Physical Evidence - Colorado Law CRS 18-8-610.

looked it up earlier this week

 

[Dave F.]

For me, it just keeps coming back to child support. They weren't married, so he wasn't worried about losing out in a divorce settlement. He might have been obligated to pay child support.

I don't think it was just the money, I think it was the idea of the courts forcing him to give KB his money, even though child support is for the child, not the mother.

You can be guaranteed that PF would have been ordered by a court to pay child support, if she had sued him. There is no evidence that she did. Whatever arrangement they had was probably informal, between themselves. IMO

 

[jaspermac]

From KOAA
2/26/19 4:55pm
“Stephen Longo, an attorney with McDivitt Law Firm, said it appears Kenney is trying to leverage her position as a possible key witness in the case against Patrick Frazee to try and get a lesser sentence in her case.

“Her kind of reversing and not sure if she’s gonna enter a plea deal or recanting statements is interesting, because you wonder whether or not she just doesn’t like the plea deal she’s getting and wants to leverage her position as a key witness against the defendant,” Longo said.

Prosecutors have not released information that would explain what evidence Kenney is accused of destroying. We do know Berreth’s phone pinged off a tower in Gooding, Idaho, on Nov. 25, three days after she was last seen publicly. That’s nearly 800 miles from Berreth’s home in Woodland Park, and close to where Kenney lives in Hansen, Idaho.”

Documents reveal Kenney seeking leverage in court, expert says

Wow, I did not see this coming.

I figured she was making a plea deal all along and was scared half to death of the charges that could be laid against her.

Now she has a sweet deal -12-18 months for tampering and it possibly isn't good enough.

The arrogance after being a party to the murder of a young mother. They should take the deal back and charge her with the full crime . I believe they have enough evidence, and her's was just final nail.

 

[PrairieWind]

You can be guaranteed that PF would have been ordered by a court to pay child support, if she had sued him. There is no evidence that she did. Whatever arrangement they had was probably informal, between themselves. IMO

I think PF could have made a very good case that HE should have had primary custody or shared custody and not have paid any support.

 

[mickey2942]

You can be guaranteed that PF would have been ordered by a court to pay child support, if she had sued him. There is no evidence that she did. Whatever arrangement they had was probably informal, between themselves. IMO

Not necessarily correct. You can have a child support agreement done by attorneys, without going to court. Usually a mediation or settlement. That can be enforced by the court, if any of the parties default on the settlement.

 

[PrairieWind]

Not necessarily correct. You can have a child support agreement done by attorneys, without going to court. Usually a mediation or settlement. That can be enforced by the court, if any of the parties default on the settlement.

I don’t think there has been any evidence that they had a formal custody and support agreement. So I think they were just winging it on their own. That’s not that uncommon when couples were never married.

 

[Deleted member 718]

"New documents filed in Teller County court this week show that Kenney's lawyers are asking for access to the evidence the state has against her.

Her lawyer lists nine demands with many of them focusing on getting access to evidence relevant to the case, so they can provide fair representation. That includes knowing who investigators have already spoken to. The court documents state it's all to help her lawyers prepare for trial and avoid surprise.

But Criminal Defense Attorney Alex Berry says a plea may be Kenney's best option.

"It's more likely she's doing a straight guilty plea. She may be willing to testify against Frazee and have reduced penalties because of that," Berry said.

While we will have to wait until Friday for her case, we will find out more on Kaylee's future Thursday."

Idaho nurse to be charged in connection with Kelsey Berreth's disappearance

more at link

 

[lindaromas]

Excellent questions!! I'm guessing it's all about self-preservation now. She and PF have a lot in common. A lethal combination, IMHO.

I wonder if KK is able to imagine in her pea brain, WHAT IF? What if KB never met her "lover" PF. Would he have taken her and her children in and set up housekeeping on the ranchette or continued to string her along and when he was done with her, solicit someone to do her in? Because, as we know now, he has no compunction to commit murder and try to blame others for it.

This strange thought just crossed my mind, I think because I read too many of those crime magazines back in the 60's lol......but....what if, KB called the relationship off but wanted shared parenting for the child because she knew about KK. KK gets preggers by PF but PF doesn't want to deal with KK and her ways, he proceeds to try talk KK into killing KB him knowing KK would get caught then he would have custody of KB baby and would get custody of KK's once born. I need to write crime novels.... He would then have the cash flow you speak of plus SS and any insurance money. A sick twisted mind if that's the case. BTW, I don't know if KK is preggers, just a thought.

If this isn't allowed my apologies and please delete!

 

[lindaromas]

Not necessarily correct. You can have a child support agreement done by attorneys, without going to court. Usually a mediation or settlement. That can be enforced by the court, if any of the parties default on the settlement.

That must be filed through the court in order to be enforced. I worked in Child Support. It's crazy in there!

 

[Seattle1]

Cdr. Greg Couch, PIO‏ @TCSOPIO
Blowing and heavy snow Has cut visibility down to about 300 feet in the Woodland Park area. Please turn on your headlights! #COWx

11:32 AM - 6 Feb 2019 from Woodland Park, CO

Video at link - driving conditions not favorable, typical WP..

 

[InvSmith]

Don't you have to go to court to plead? Do you mean that the prosecutor and KK/her attorney reached an agreement for her to plead yesterday?

Her family made statements she had agreed to reach a plea yesterday to reporters. The family did not release details about court.

 

[mickey2942]

That must be filed through the court in order to be enforced. I worked in Child Support. It's crazy in there!

Right, but usually the agreement itself is enough. I know this because I had one with my ex. We never went to court. Or even filed it. He paid child support, because he knew wouldn't have been able to get out of it.

 

[acutename]

This article states that he met KB at Safeway. Did I miss this?

“Police say that Frazee, who was the father of Berreth’s 15-month-old daughter, was the last person to see Berreth alive on that Thanksgiving Day, when Frazee claimed that he met Berreth at the Safeway store with their daughter Kaylee.”


ETA quote

which is a bit weird if he then followed her home (?) and parked behind her....why track her to Safeway?

 

[Seattle1]

I think PF could have made a very good case that HE should have had primary custody or shared custody and not have paid any support.

Actually, since KB had the steady employment and/or income, PF could probably get support from KB. MOO

 

[InvSmith]

That must be filed through the court in order to be enforced. I worked in Child Support. It's crazy in there!

If her income was more than his and consistent is there reason to think he may not have to pay child support?

 

[InvSmith]

which is a bit weird if he then followed her home (?) and parked behind her....why track her to Safeway?

No, there are several iterations of where Baby K was picked up as told by PF. LE noted this early on.

 

[lindaromas]

Right, but usually the agreement itself is enough. I know this because I had one with my ex. We never went to court. Or even filed it. He paid child support, because he knew wouldn't have been able to get out of it.

As long as the agreement doesn't have to be enforced I guess it's fine. But, if you want CS to enforce the order for non payment it must be on file in the court.

 

[acutename]

That's kind of ironic, then. Perhaps it's another sign that PF wasn't as clever as he thought.

IIRC, PF suggested to LE that KB might have taken off to visit her sick grandmother. The phone pinged along a possible route from Colorado to her grandmother's house. That might have worked - something went wrong on the way to Grandma's house - except KB left both cars at home.

If the phone hadn't turned up 30 miles from KK's house, I'm not sure PF would still be behind bars right now. It looks to me like he may have tried to get too clever and ended up burning himself.

the texts to him and to her employer rule out a stranger too because only someone who knew her well would know where to send those

 

[InvSmith]

Actually, since KB had the steady employment and/or income, PF could probably get support from KB. MOO

That was where I was going. I have been confused with everyone thinking he would pay child support automatically. It is not my area but I know enough women that are the primary income that get divorced that do not get support. Thank you!